漢朝之后，100%的漢王朝就只有宋和明兩個嗎？我聽說唐朝是鮮卑和突厥王朝。

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Andrew Lee
Asian ethnicity is a little complex. we need to go back 40,000 years to really understand.
We don’t have much to evidence of anything the further back we go in time. but we do know the ABCC11 gene disfunction mutation happened 40,000 years ago in what is now mongolia. This gene is shared between east asians but not found much in Whites, with less found the further westward you go as there would have been less mixing with central asians. The genetic trait is pretty much non-existant in africa.So as what most people think about when they think “asians” mongolians, koreans, chinese, japanese, eastern siberians, have a common starting point.

亞洲的族群有點復雜。 我們需要回溯到四萬年前才能真正了解他們。 再往前追溯，我們也沒有太多證據(jù)。 但我們已經(jīng)知道ABCC11基因功能失調突變，發(fā)生在四萬年前現(xiàn)在的蒙古。 這種基因在東亞人之間是共有的，但在白人身上發(fā)現(xiàn)的不多，越往西，發(fā)現(xiàn)的就越少，因為東亞與中亞人的混血也越少。 這種基因特征在非洲幾乎不存在，所以當大多數(shù)人認為“亞洲人”是蒙古人，韓國人，中國人，日本人，東西伯利亞人時，他們的確有一個共同的起源。

The only other unique ethnic line that had easy access to these geographic regions was the one which started in modern day Taiwan, these islander peoples would later populate the pacific islands, with the ethnic group which started in India would trickle in the south western areas and islands. Mountains, frozen wastes, and great deserts made natural barriers cutting these people out from others for a long time.

另外唯一一條能方便進入這些地理區(qū)域的獨特族群線，始于今天的臺灣，這些島民后來定居在太平洋島嶼上，而始于印度的族群則逐漸在西南地區(qū)和島嶼上流動。 山脈，凍土和大沙漠形成了天然屏障，使這些人長期與他人隔絕。



Obviously, on this issue, there is no way to apply the concept of modern men and women’s right to equality to correct the three views for the ancients. History is such a fact that has already taken place. Subjectively, it is unwilling to accept it, but its existence does exist.From the time of the Wuhu era, many emperors of the Hu dynasty accepted the Han Chinese descendants and gave birth to the emperor to inherit the throne. This situation is commonplace, even though the Manchu dynasty, is no exception. However, these emperors with Chinese descent have still identified themselves as Hu, not Han, and the dynasties they ruled did not become Han dynasties.

顯然，在這個問題上，沒有辦法套用現(xiàn)代男女權利平等的觀念來為古人糾正三觀。 歷史就是這樣一個已經(jīng)發(fā)生的事實。 從五胡時代開始，胡人的許多皇帝都接受了漢人妃子，并生下皇帝繼承皇位。 這種情況司空見慣，即使?jié)M清也不例外。 但是，這些具有中國血統(tǒng)的皇帝仍然認定自己是胡人，而不是漢人，他們統(tǒng)治的朝代也沒有成為漢人王朝。

According to the same criteria, since the emperor of the Hu nationality would not be considered a Han because the matriarchal ancestors were Chinese, why did the Han emperors also become descendants of the Hu because of the inclusion of the Hou descendants of the Hu family? Can reverse nationalists who hold this argument be able to justify it?Therefore, although the matriarchal ancestors of the Li-Tang royal family, such as Dou's, Dugu's and Chang's, were descendants of Xianbei, the identity of the Han family of the emperor in the Tang Dynasty did not have to be questioned. In the same way, if Zheng Chenggong's father is Han and his mother is Japanese, he is still 100% Chinese. Zheng Chenggong’s exploration of Taiwan has nothing to do with Japan.

按照同樣的標準，既然胡人的皇帝不會因為母系祖先是中國人，而被認為是漢人，那么為什么漢人的皇帝，會因為是胡人妃子的后裔而成為胡人后裔呢？持此論調的反向民族主義者能否自圓其說呢？因此，李唐皇室的母系祖先如竇氏，獨孤氏，常氏等雖為鮮卑后裔，但唐朝皇帝的漢家身份卻不必質疑。 同理，如果鄭成功的父親是漢族，母親是日本人，他還是百分之百的中國人。 鄭成功對臺灣的探索與日本無關。

Pun Anansakunwat
After Han Dynasty, Western Jin dynasty was a Han Chinese dynasty as well.However, after the fall of the Western Jin dynasty, the problem rose.The five tribes occupied the Northern part of China. They were NOT Han Chinese. However, they were sinicized over time in Northern Wei dynasty.The Tuoba imperial clan of Northern Wei started the sinicization campaign to make the Xianbei people “Chinese”.The campaign was very successful. In few generations, the Xianbei lost all their identities and became 100% Han Chinese in every aspect.Sui and Tang dynasties descended from the Northern Wei dynasty. If you take this into account, both dynasties were not 100% Han Chinese. However, they were not Turkic.After Tang, these ex-Xianbei people in the north never knew that they had Xianbei ancestors anymore. They become 100% Chinese, so we can safely conclude that Song dynasty were 100% Chinese.

漢之后，西晉也是漢人王朝，但西晉滅亡后，問題出現(xiàn)了，五大胡族占據(jù)了中國北方。 他們不是漢人。 北魏拓跋氏發(fā)動漢化運動，使鮮卑人“漢化”，并取得了巨大的成功。 鮮卑人在幾代人的時間里，就失去了所有的民族認同，在各個方面都變成了百分之百的漢人。隋唐是北魏王朝的后裔。如果你考慮到這一點，兩個朝代都不是100%的漢人。但他們也不是突厥人，唐以后，北方的這些前鮮卑人，再也不知道自己有鮮卑人祖先了。 他們變成了百分之百的中國人，所以我們可以有把握地斷定宋朝是百分之百的中國王朝。

For Ming dynasty, it was quite clear. Hongwu Emperor and the empress came from the south. They were 100% Han Chinese.To conclude, Yes, only Song and Ming were Han Chinese, but Tang dynasty was not related to the Turks.

對于明朝來說，這是相當清楚的。洪武大帝和皇后都是南方來的。 他們是百分之百的漢人?？偠灾?，是的，漢朝之后，只有宋和明是純粹的漢人王朝，但唐朝與突厥并沒有關系。

David Kwa
Most Chinese dynasties start off with “barbaric” roots. Its a cycle after long isolation and stagnation, the Chinese would look outside to rejuvenate their civilization. Lets start with Zhou. Zhou started off with conquering Shang. Where did Zhou come from? ;) Next up we have the Qin. The Qin was from the West and considered “barbaric” by other states. Next is the Han. Han was founded by Chu who traded with southern barbarians (their language has some southern austro-asiatic influence). Even Ming’s founder, a han Chinese belonged to a white lotus society (similar to Zorostrianism and Christianity/Islam) which was foreign ideologically. He turned his back on them when he became Emperor. I can go on and on but in the end, they’re all Chinese because of one simple reason. Dynasty to dynasty, the Imperial language was and still is Chinese (Sino-Tibetan).

大多數(shù)中國朝代都起于“野蠻”。在長期孤立和停滯之后，中國人將目光投向外部，以振興他們的文明，這是一個循環(huán)。 先從周說起。周從征服商開始。而周是從何而來的？下一個例子是秦。秦國來自西方，也被其他國家認為是“野蠻人”。 再下一個是漢。 漢朝是由楚建立而來的，楚國與南方的野蠻人進行貿(mào)易（他們的語言有一些南亞人的影響）。即使是明朝的創(chuàng)始人，一個漢人，也屬于白蓮教（類似于拜火教，基督教和伊斯蘭教），在意識形態(tài)上屬于外來的。 但他當上皇帝后，對它們置之不理。 我可以繼續(xù)說下去，但最后，他們都是中國人，因為一個簡單的原因。在各個朝代之間，帝國官方語言過去是，現(xiàn)在仍然是漢語（漢藏語系）。

Lucy Ma
actually apart from yuan and qing ,and some samll nation once bulid in chinese border , all dynasty are han dynasty.The tang are definately han dynasty ，some people make rumors about tang being turkic because that one of tang’s king li siming got like One eighth trukic blood form the Matrilineal line which does not mean anthing . if tang is turkic for that reason ,the the qing are definately han dynasty not a manchu one becasuse the king kangxi of qing who is actually half han by blood all form his Matrilineal line ,but no he is an manchu just like li siming is a han .

實際上，除了元，清，以及一些曾經(jīng)在中國邊境建立的小民族外，所有的朝代都是漢朝，唐朝是明確的漢王朝，有人謠傳唐人是突厥人，因為唐王李世民有八分之一的母系突厥血統(tǒng)，這并不意味著什么。如果說唐朝是突厥王朝，那么清朝也成漢王朝，而不是滿王朝了，因為清朝的康熙其實有一半漢族血統(tǒng)，來自他的母系。但不，他是滿人，就像李世民是漢人一樣。



Jefferson
If you really want to be serious,indeed the pure Han has disappeared in Shang Dynasty.Zhou Dynasty was an alliance of different groups of barbarians from the west part of China.It is meaningless to use nationalism to see China’s history for nationalism didn't exist in ancient China.

真要較真的話，的確，純粹的漢在商代已經(jīng)消失了。周朝是一個由來自中國西部的不同族群野蠻人組成的聯(lián)盟。用民族主義看中國的歷史，是沒有意義的，因為中國古代并不存在民族主義。