在加拿大一所為同化土著人而設(shè)立的前寄宿學(xué)校里發(fā)現(xiàn)了215具兒童的遺骸,你對(duì)這座集體墳?zāi)褂泻慰捶ǎ?/h1>
What are your thoughts on the mass grave containing the remains of 215 children discovered in Canada at a former residential school set up to assimilate indigenous people?
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加拿大不列顛哥倫比亞省“下庫(kù)特內(nèi)班德”原住民部落6月30日發(fā)表聲明宣布,在該省克蘭布魯克市一所前原住民兒童寄宿學(xué)校舊址附近發(fā)現(xiàn)了182處無(wú)標(biāo)記墳?zāi)埂?
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明說(shuō),當(dāng)?shù)卦∶裼锰降乩走_(dá)在“圣尤金教會(huì)學(xué)?!迸f址附近發(fā)現(xiàn)了上述無(wú)標(biāo)記墳?zāi)?。這所寄宿學(xué)校的存在時(shí)間為1912年至1970年,由天主教會(huì)管理運(yùn)營(yíng)。
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, one of the working masses
You can find God even in the worst places on earth. Unfortunately, history shows that He is much likelier to be on the side of the oppressors.
There is a reason why both the Boxer rebels of the late Qing Dynasty, and the com...st Party of China today, both view religion (especially Christianity) with suspicion and hostility. Everything the palefaces and their Church did to the native peoples of North America, they did to my people, the Chinese, as well.
The big difference is that they failed to exterminate my people (and not for lack of trying), whereas the Native Americans will never get to tell their side of the story ever again. And this is why I’m writing this answer right now - to tell you our side of the story, to let you know what Western civilisation and their religion did to my country and my people.
There is a famous tourist attraction in the city of Wuhan, simply called “The Grave of 10,000 Infants”(萬(wàn)嬰墓). The area used to be site of a Catholic orphanage founded by an American missionary named Sylvester Joseph Espelage, back in 1928. Statistically, the orphange's infants had a survival rate of 0.2%, due to malnutrition, forced labour, beatings and torture.
In 1951, long after the com...st Party came into power in China, people started digging around the orphanage for construction work, only to find heaps of baby bones buried in the dirt, much to their horror. After an investigation into the the orphanage’s past, the monks and nuns in charge were expelled from the country.
Every single piece of those bones is testament to the church's persecution of the Chinese people. Every single one a human tragedy created by Western Imperialism.
This isn’t unique to Wuhan either - monuments like these exist in every major Chinese city. Christianity leaves ugly scars wherever its self-righteous harbingers go.
They stole the peasant's property, drove people out of their homes, forced them to pay extortionate ransoms, raped their wives, abused and murdered their children, disrespected their culture, lived in opulence, acted in complete defiance because of their diplomatic immunity, and worked closely with the Imperialists who wanted to carve out more Chinese land for themselves.
There was a clear pattern to the way this worked - the church would antagonise the locals, the locals would fight back (sometimes with deadly force), western powers would condemn the attacks against “peaceful men of religion”, and demand even more land and silver from the Qing government by threatening to use brute force.
That's what these messengers of God did, and why the common folk hated them with a burning passion. According to the Boxers, western missionaries paraded around wearing necklaces made of the eyeballs of their victims. Others harvested the livers of those who could not pay rent or tithe, and made exotic elixirs out of them.
No wonder people in the west (including Canada) believe China is committing GENO.... on the ......s. They hear "special schools" and "re-education", and they immediately think back to their own crimes against humanity. They judge others based on their own experience and worldview.
The West accuses China of that which the West alone is guilty of, which isn't surprising at all. They have been, still are and will always be Imperialists. Their fathers were murderers, they are murderers, their children will be the children of murderers, and it's all they will ever amount to.
即使在地球上最糟糕的地方,你也能找到上帝。不幸的是,歷史表明,他更可能站在壓迫者一邊。
晚清的義和團(tuán)和今天的中國(guó)都對(duì)宗教(特別是基督教)抱有懷疑和敵意,這是有原因的。白人和他們的教會(huì)對(duì)北美土著人民所做的一切,他們也對(duì)我們中國(guó)人做過(guò)。
最大的區(qū)別在于他們沒(méi)有消滅我們(并不是因?yàn)槿狈εΓ?,而美洲土著人卻永遠(yuǎn)無(wú)法再講述他們的故事。這就是為什么我現(xiàn)在要寫下這個(gè)答案——告訴你們我們的故事,讓你們知道西方文明和他們的宗教對(duì)我的國(guó)家和人民做了什么。
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武漢市有一個(gè)著名的旅游景點(diǎn),簡(jiǎn)稱“萬(wàn)嬰墓”。該地區(qū)曾是美國(guó)傳教士西爾維斯特·約瑟夫·埃斯佩拉奇(Sylvester Joseph Espelage)在1928年建立的天主教孤兒院所在地。據(jù)統(tǒng)計(jì),由于營(yíng)養(yǎng)不良、強(qiáng)迫勞動(dòng)、毆打和酷刑,孤兒院的嬰兒存活率僅為0.2%。
長(zhǎng)相較好的兒童往往在進(jìn)入青春期時(shí)被賣為奴隸,或者成為神職人員的私人玩物。許多孩子的死亡是因?yàn)楣聝涸合虢杷麄冏鳛樗幬锖推渌麞|西的測(cè)試對(duì)象來(lái)賺取額外的錢。
1951年的新中國(guó),人們開始在孤兒院周圍挖掘建筑工程,結(jié)果發(fā)現(xiàn)了一堆堆埋在泥土里的嬰兒骨頭,這讓工人們非??謶?。在對(duì)孤兒院的過(guò)去進(jìn)行調(diào)查后,負(fù)責(zé)的神父和修女被驅(qū)逐出境。
這里的每一塊骨頭都是西方教會(huì)迫害中國(guó)人民的見(jiàn)證,每一個(gè)兒童的死亡都是西方帝國(guó)主義造成的人類悲劇。
這也不是武漢獨(dú)有的——像這樣的紀(jì)念碑存在于中國(guó)的每個(gè)主要城市。無(wú)論自以為是的先驅(qū)走到哪里,基督教都會(huì)留下丑陋的傷疤。
他們偷走農(nóng)民的財(cái)產(chǎn),把人們趕出家門,強(qiáng)迫他們支付勒索贖金,強(qiáng)奸他們的妻子,虐待和謀殺他們的孩子,不尊重他們的文化,生活腐化,基于他們的外交豁免權(quán)完全無(wú)視法律,并與帝國(guó)主義者密切合作,他們想為自己在中國(guó)開辟更多的土地。
這種做法有一個(gè)明確的模式——教會(huì)會(huì)與當(dāng)?shù)厝藢?duì)抗,當(dāng)?shù)厝藭?huì)反擊(有時(shí)會(huì)使用致命的武力),西方列強(qiáng)會(huì)譴責(zé)對(duì)“和平宗教人士”的襲擊,并威脅使用暴力,要求清政府提供更多的土地和銀兩。
這就是這些上帝的使者所做的,也是為什么普通人會(huì)懷著熾熱的激情憎恨他們。據(jù)義和團(tuán)稱,西方傳教士戴著受害者的眼球制成的項(xiàng)鏈招搖過(guò)市,其他人則從那些付不起房租或什一稅的人身上獲取肝臟,并用它們制成奇異的長(zhǎng)生不老藥。
難怪西方(包括加拿大)的人認(rèn)為中國(guó)正在對(duì)...,因?yàn)楫?dāng)他們聽到“特殊學(xué)?!焙汀霸俳逃睍r(shí),他們立即回想起了自己的反人類罪行,他們?cè)诟鶕?jù)自己的經(jīng)驗(yàn)和世界觀來(lái)判斷他人。
西方指責(zé)中國(guó)犯下了只有西方才會(huì)犯下的罪行,這一點(diǎn)也不奇怪。他們過(guò)去、現(xiàn)在和將來(lái)都是帝國(guó)主義者。他們的父親是兇手,他們是兇手,他們的孩子將是兇手的孩子,這是他們永遠(yuǎn)的成就。
This happens to South America as well, not just China or Canada.
Colonialism projects are expensive, and Vatican back then, before the unification of Italy, was a very rich donor. Their church are not taxed, but they received taxes and tithes from the Kings and peasants alike. People today ignorantly think that Rome has always been the capital of Italy, only a few people, especially those who read history, know that Rome and its surrounding territories were once directly ruled by The Papal throne.
Even after that, they still occupy a good portion of Lazio.
We acted as if religion was kind of spiritual thing. Historically, they have been more like political thing.
這種情況也發(fā)生在南美洲,而不僅僅是中國(guó)或加拿大。
殖民主義項(xiàng)目是昂貴的,在意大利統(tǒng)一之前,梵蒂岡是一個(gè)非常富有的捐贈(zèng)者。他們的教會(huì)不納稅,但他們從國(guó)王和農(nóng)民那里得到稅收和什一稅。今天的人們無(wú)知地認(rèn)為羅馬一直是意大利的首都,但只有少數(shù)人,特別是那些讀過(guò)歷史的人才知道羅馬及其周邊地區(qū)曾經(jīng)直接由教皇統(tǒng)治。
即使在那之后,他們?nèi)匀徽紦?jù)了拉齊奧地區(qū)相當(dāng)大的一部分。
現(xiàn)在我們表現(xiàn)得好像宗教是一種精神上的東西,但從歷史上看,它們更像是政治事物。
Looking today at Latin America, Christianity (especially Catholicism) is a big aspect of the regional identity. It is equally legit there as Buddhism or Islam are in South Eastern Asia. I try to warn the Christians to not deft Islam, another God's religion, but it goes both ways. Obviously, their alliance against the world is equally evil. You simply need to discern the good and the bad in everything.
看看今天的拉丁美洲,基督教(特別是天主教)是地區(qū)認(rèn)同的一個(gè)重要方面。在東南亞,它與佛教或伊斯蘭教一樣合法。我曾試圖警告基督徒不要輕信伊斯蘭教,即另一個(gè)上帝的宗教,但這是雙向的。顯然,他們?cè)诜词澜绶矫嫱瑯有皭骸?/b>
What in the ever-loving fuck.
Even the Ottoman Empire never did such things. Or maybe they did and I’m not informed? But honestly, if they did, I’d have been taught about it in school.
Forget the Ottomans, the Mongols of Gingis Khan were cream-puffs compared to this.
I can understand being a mafioso feudal lord and extracting some tribute from subjugated populations, to an extent that is consistent with their biological survival and the maintenance of their culture at least, but “working 10 000 orphans to death” sounds like… something Plato would accuse an obviously fictional evil civilization of, as part of a philosophical point, because literally no one would believe humans capable of a crime such as this.
去他媽的永恒的愛(ài)。
即使是奧斯曼帝國(guó)也從未做過(guò)這樣的事情?;蛘咚麄冞@么做了,但我不知道?但老實(shí)說(shuō),如果他們真的這么做了,我會(huì)在學(xué)校里被教育的。
忘記奧斯曼帝國(guó)吧,與此相比,成吉思汗的蒙古人就像奶油泡芙(cream-puffs)。
我能理解作為一個(gè)黑手黨一樣的封建領(lǐng)主,會(huì)從被征服的人群中獲取一些貢品,這至少在某種程度上符合維持他們生存的需要,但“讓10000名孤兒工作到死”聽起來(lái)像是……作為哲學(xué)觀點(diǎn)的一部分,柏拉圖會(huì)指責(zé)這是一個(gè)明顯虛構(gòu)的邪惡文明,因?yàn)闆](méi)有人會(huì)相信人類有能力犯下這樣的罪行。
Wait until you learn about Unit 731 …
直到你了解了731部隊(duì)…
Unfortunately I already have an inkling.
不幸的是,我已經(jīng)有所了解。
Oh, no young man. You couldn't imagine what they did …
What they did, put Nazi concentration camps to shame.
哦,不,年輕人,你無(wú)法想象他們做了什么…
他們的所作所為讓納粹的集中營(yíng)蒙羞。
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This monument is just one block away from where I used to live. The writing on it says “Here buried remains of Chinese babies who were brutally tortured and killed by imperialists. We build this monument so these babies will forever stay on the minds of Chinese, and Chinese people shall forever remember the bloody atrocities committed by imperialists”.
這座紀(jì)念碑離我以前住的地方只有一個(gè)街區(qū),碑上面寫著“這里埋葬了被帝國(guó)主義殘酷折磨和殺害的中國(guó)嬰兒的遺骸。我們建造這座紀(jì)念碑是為了讓這些嬰兒永遠(yuǎn)留在中國(guó)人的心中,讓中國(guó)人民永遠(yuǎn)記住帝國(guó)主義犯下的血腥暴行”。
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But it's different, the West admit their wrongdoings and have already apologized! *sacasm*
但不同的是,西方承認(rèn)了他們的錯(cuò)誤,并且已經(jīng)道歉了! *諷刺*
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They only apologise after the act is done and only after they have immensely benefitted from such wrongdoings. In China’s case they had HK and Macau for 99 years, monopoly in trade with the Qings for centuries which gave rise to the British Empire etc2. If fair trade were truly practiced centuries ago we might have seen Indian, Chinese and Arab merchants and vessels at European ports then.
他們只有在行為完成后才道歉,只有在他們從這些錯(cuò)誤的行為中獲得了巨大的利益后才道歉。就中國(guó)而言,他們擁有了香港和澳門99年,壟斷了與清朝的貿(mào)易數(shù)百年,從而形成了大英帝國(guó)。如果公平貿(mào)易在幾個(gè)世紀(jì)前真的實(shí)行,那么我們可能會(huì)在歐洲的港口看到來(lái)自印度、中國(guó)和阿拉伯的商人和船只。
In reality Brandon, they only admit to their indiscretions when pressure is applied in ever increasing numbers, to a point where things can no longer be hidden, covered up, or ignored.
事實(shí)上,Brandon(譯注:加拿大布蘭登,此次原住民孩子遺骸發(fā)現(xiàn)地)只有在越來(lái)越多的人施加壓力,到了無(wú)法再隱藏、掩蓋或佯裝不見(jiàn)的程度時(shí),他們才會(huì)承認(rèn)自己的行為。
This was said by father of kenya. He was a legendry leader. And everyone thinks america is a powerful country because of it military, innovation, democracy and etc. This is absolute bullshit. America is powerful because it funds the evangelical christianity and maintatin a religious based colonialism all over the third world countries like the churches did in europe which is also called as dark age of europe, sadly these idiots control UNHRC and is the most powerful lobby in USA. And china is being attacked not for the GENO.... or other. It is being attacked because of stunch Com...ism which makes people hardcore atheists. The other reason usa went after com...st countries is not because of the ideology but because of how it kicked ass of relogious bigotriy and destroyed the church structure, The churches were afraid of loosing their power which directly threatned the power of the elite and the hierarchey which is coming from ages example (the romonov dynasty, the henry 14 of france ) they completley surrenderd themselves to church and which made people poor and left them frustrated and made them to revolt and the bolsheviks completly repelled churches from ussr.
這是肯尼亞之父說(shuō)的,他是一位傳奇式的領(lǐng)袖。他說(shuō):每個(gè)人都認(rèn)為美國(guó)是一個(gè)強(qiáng)大的國(guó)家,因?yàn)樗能娛?、?chuàng)新、民主等等。這絕對(duì)是胡說(shuō)八道,美國(guó)之所以強(qiáng)大,是因?yàn)樗Y助了福音派基督教,并在第三世界國(guó)家維持以宗教為基礎(chǔ)的殖民主義,就像歐洲的教會(huì)一樣,這也被稱為歐洲的黑暗時(shí)代??杀氖?,這些白癡控制著聯(lián)合國(guó)人權(quán)委員會(huì),是美國(guó)最強(qiáng)大的游說(shuō)團(tuán)體。美國(guó)攻擊共產(chǎn)主義國(guó)家的另一個(gè)原因不是因?yàn)橐庾R(shí)形態(tài),而是因?yàn)樗议_了令人厭惡的偏見(jiàn),破壞了教會(huì)結(jié)構(gòu),這直接威脅到了美國(guó)的精英和來(lái)自各個(gè)時(shí)代的主教的權(quán)力。
Abhijeet Kumar
It exist everywhere Indian Subcontinent, China, IndoChina ,Africa Both America continent Middle east etc. I know for sure we(Indian were subjected for 200years of slavery.
它存在于印度次大陸、中國(guó)、中南半島、非洲、美國(guó)大陸、中東等。我確信我們(印度人遭受了200年的奴隸制)。
One should not paint all people's with the same brush! All history is full of injustice and tragedy. To blame one culture, country, or civilization over another, even your own, is to ignore, yeah, even to distort truth! And this helps no-one. Remember, we have all failed at some time in our personal lives, all countries have committed atrocities, & all wish they could be forgotten &, more importantly, forgiven.
你不應(yīng)該一竿子打翻一船人!所有的歷史都充滿了不公正和悲劇。將一種文化、國(guó)家或文明歸咎于另一種文化、國(guó)家或文明,甚至你們自己的文化、國(guó)家或文明,就是忽視、甚至歪曲事實(shí)!這對(duì)任何人都沒(méi)有幫助。記住,在我們的個(gè)人生活中,我們都曾經(jīng)失敗過(guò),所有國(guó)家都犯下過(guò)暴行,所有人都希望他們能夠被遺忘,更重要的是,被原諒。
Forgiven … even when they don't own their murder and butchery and don't even have the humility to as much as apologize verbally, let alone make reparations?
原諒…即使在他們不承認(rèn)自己的謀殺和屠殺行為,甚至連足夠謙卑的口頭道歉都沒(méi)有,更不用說(shuō)賠償?shù)那闆r下?
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