德國人對(duì)二戰(zhàn)后失去普魯士的情況有何看法？
How did the Germans feel about the loss of Prussia after World War II?
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我的祖父母當(dāng)時(shí)是青少年，1944年冬天紅軍逼近時(shí)，他們從東普魯士逃到了柏林。
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How did the Germans feel about the loss of Prussia after World War II?
德國人對(duì)二戰(zhàn)后失去普魯士的情況有何看法？
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, History geek before the word 'geek' was even invented
My grandparents, teenagers at that time, fled from Eastern Prussia to Berlin when the Red Army approached in the winter of 1944.
My grandparents were from a bitterly poor rural family, simple farm hands. They made the trip on foot - their only horse died after two days. They ate it.
Three small children died in these weeks - from the icy cold, hunger, exhaustion.
Trust me when I say my grandparents didn’t give a fuck about who owns Prussia. They were too busy being happy to still be alive.
我的祖父母當(dāng)時(shí)是青少年，1944年冬天紅軍逼近時(shí)，他們從東普魯士逃到了柏林。
我的祖父母來自一個(gè)極度貧困的農(nóng)村家庭，是一個(gè)普普通通的農(nóng)場工人。他們徒步跋涉轉(zhuǎn)移--他們唯一的馬兩天后就死了。他們吃了它。
他們的三個(gè)小孩在這幾個(gè)星期里相繼離世--死于冰冷、饑餓和疲憊。
相信我，當(dāng)我說我的祖父母并不鳥誰擁有普魯士的時(shí)候。他們忙著為自己還活著而高興。
I have read of German “revanchists" who have made all kinds of historic claims on family property in East Prussia, that is now in Poland. They wanted Prussia to be part of Germany again. An unrealistic expectation that could embroil the German state in extremely expensive reparations or, alternatively, armed conflict with a European neighbor.
The government of the Federal Republic of Germany refuses to recognize such claims, as it has tacitly accepted the permanent loss of these former German territories. Even after reunification, there was no attempt by Germany to recover Prussia from Poland.
Ironic, as historically Prussia under Bismarck was the main driver of the unification of the many small principalities and duchies into Germany. Now, part of Prussia is sundered from the Germany it once helped put together.
我讀到過德國的"復(fù)興主義者"，他們對(duì)東普魯士的家庭財(cái)產(chǎn)提出了各種歷史性的要求，而這些財(cái)產(chǎn)現(xiàn)在在波蘭。他們希望普魯士能夠再次成為德國的一部分。這種不切實(shí)際的期望可能使德國陷入極其昂貴的賠款中，或者與歐洲鄰國發(fā)生武裝沖突。
德意志聯(lián)邦共和國政府拒絕承認(rèn)這種要求，因?yàn)樗呀?jīng)默許了這些前德國領(lǐng)土的永久喪失。即使在統(tǒng)一后，德國也沒有試圖從波蘭手中收回普魯士。
具有諷刺意味的是，在歷史上，俾斯麥領(lǐng)導(dǎo)下的普魯士是將許多小公國和公國統(tǒng)一到德國的主要推動(dòng)力?，F(xiàn)在，普魯士的一部分卻被從它曾經(jīng)幫助組建的德國中分割出來。
One thing is not attempting to recover sovereignty over the territory, other thing is private properly. Territory changing governments doesn’t normally imply people being thrown off their property - even Ukrainians who owned real estate in Crimea, retained it after occupation. I am not sure there’s no way to get hands on private property lost - for example, restitution was a thing in many countries after fall of Com...ism, in many cases with property being received by heirs of original owners who were born abroad and did not hold citizenships or knew the language.
一碼歸一碼，這不是試圖恢復(fù)對(duì)領(lǐng)土的主權(quán)，這是一件私人適當(dāng)?shù)恼埱?。領(lǐng)土更換了政府一般來說并不意味著人們被沒收了他們的財(cái)產(chǎn)--即使是在克里米亞擁有房地產(chǎn)的烏克蘭人，在被占領(lǐng)后也保留了它。我不確定是否沒有辦法得到失去的私有財(cái)產(chǎn)--例如，在許多國家，共產(chǎn)主義垮臺(tái)后，歸還財(cái)產(chǎn)是一件很正常的事，在許多情況下，財(cái)產(chǎn)被出生在國外、不擁有公民身份或不懂語言的原主人的繼承人收到。
I have not read any detailed information about the subject, but I think the millions of Germans who were expelled after WWII were not compensated for any property lost. My guess is that it is normal for people forced from their homes not to recover anything. After all, most countries involved in WWI and II suffered greatly economically and were not in a mood to compensate those expelled.
我還沒有讀到任何關(guān)于這個(gè)問題的詳細(xì)信息，但我認(rèn)為二戰(zhàn)后被驅(qū)逐的數(shù)百萬德國人沒有得到任何財(cái)產(chǎn)損失的補(bǔ)償。我的猜測是，那些被迫離開家園的人沒有恢復(fù)任何東西都是正常的。畢竟，大多數(shù)參與一戰(zhàn)和二戰(zhàn)的國家在經(jīng)濟(jì)上遭受了巨大的損失，而且沒有心情補(bǔ)償那些被驅(qū)逐的人。
Those who returned to their ancestral homes in Prussia had to buy the houses and the land from the Polish government.
那些回到普魯士祖?zhèn)骷覉@的人不得不從波蘭政府手中購買房屋和土地。
So you say Ukraine or now Russia will return the land to the real owners = Crimean Tatars? Hard to believe…
所以你說烏克蘭還是現(xiàn)在俄羅斯會(huì)把土地歸還給真正的所有者=克里米亞韃靼人？很難相信......
No one took the land, maybe apart from the very small number of plots with dubious ownership papers (that happens with valuable plots in Russia owned by ethnic Russians every day and has nothing to do with annexation or national question, just because Russia is corrupt). Even today, Ukrainians or Tatars who owned the land before 2014 in Crimea, still do (while people not holding Russian passports are not allowed to buy more land there, since recently, but those who already owned, still do).
沒有人拿走他們的土地，也許除了極少數(shù)擁有可疑所有權(quán)文件的地塊（俄羅斯境內(nèi)俄羅斯族人擁有的有價(jià)值的地塊的所有權(quán)每天都在改變，這與吞并或國家問題無關(guān)，只是因?yàn)槎砹_斯很腐?。?。即使在今天，2014年之前在克里米亞擁有土地的烏克蘭人或韃靼人仍然擁有他們的土地（而從最近開始，沒有俄羅斯護(hù)照的人不允許在那里購買更多的土地，但那些已經(jīng)擁有的人仍然可以擁有）。
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My grandparents had a farm in Ostpreussen which is now Poland. There was no attempt to recover land but the German government paid them restitution for the land they lost. This happened as late as the 1960s. The estimated value of the land was divided among the surviving family members which included my grandmother and all her children.
我的祖父母在東普魯士有一個(gè)農(nóng)場，現(xiàn)在是波蘭領(lǐng)土。沒有人試圖去收回土地，但德國政府為他們失去的土地支付了賠償金。這種情況一直持續(xù)到20世紀(jì)60年代。土地的估計(jì)價(jià)值被分給幸存的家庭成員，其中包括我的祖母和她所有的孩子。
One would think Poland should pay the restitution, as they own these German lands now .
人們可能會(huì)認(rèn)為波蘭應(yīng)該支付賠償金，因?yàn)樗麄儸F(xiàn)在擁有這些之前德國的土地。
Why Should they. Germany started the war with Russia against the Polish. So Germany and Russia should pay. The UK didn't recieve a penny from any country after the war. The USA became a world power after the war and the two countries who started it never had to pay a penny to the countries who defended against them. The 2 countries became 2 of the world leaders by the 70s only 30 years after. Yet countries like the UK were still paying for the war long after 2000.
憑什么，德國與俄國一起發(fā)動(dòng)了針對(duì)波蘭人的戰(zhàn)爭。所以德國和俄國應(yīng)該支付。英國在戰(zhàn)后沒有從任何國家獲得一分錢。美國在戰(zhàn)后成為世界強(qiáng)國，而發(fā)動(dòng)戰(zhàn)爭的兩個(gè)國家從來沒有向抵御他們的國家支付過一分錢。到了70年代，這兩個(gè)國家在30年后又成為世界上的兩個(gè)領(lǐng)導(dǎo)者。然而，像英國這樣的國家在2000年后的很長時(shí)間里仍在為戰(zhàn)爭付出代價(jià)。
Umm…the UK was still paying because they declared war on Germany .
Not sure what the mystery is about that .
Talk to Churchill , and why the war wasn’t over with a armistice in 1940 ( like France)
And you talk like the Germans just flipped a coin and attacked Poland.
We need to go back to the Versailles treaty for these answers.
Poland refused to return Germanys ancestral lands , stolen at Versailles . And this was also Britain’s fault , Polish leaders were indeed inept , but even they could see the Germany from the 30s was not to be screwed with , but Britain’s LATE guaranteed ensured Germany was forced to take what was rightfully there’s by force . This emboldened the Pols .
Throw away your british history book, it’s no longer relevant .
嗯......英國仍然在支付代價(jià)，是因?yàn)樗麄儗?duì)德國宣戰(zhàn)了。
不知道這有什么奇怪的。
跟丘吉爾說去吧，為什么戰(zhàn)爭沒有在1940年以停戰(zhàn)的方式結(jié)束（像法國那樣）。
而你卻說得好像德國人只是扔了一枚硬幣就決定進(jìn)攻波蘭。
我們需要回到凡爾賽條約中去尋找這些答案。
波蘭拒絕歸還德國人的祖?zhèn)魍恋?，這些土地是在凡爾賽條約中被偷走的。這也是英國的錯(cuò)，波蘭領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人確實(shí)無能，但即使是他們也能看出30年代的德國是不能被亂耍的，但英國隨后的動(dòng)作確保了德國被迫用武力奪取本應(yīng)屬于他們的東西。這讓波蘭人壯起了膽。
扔掉你的英國歷史書吧，它毫無意義。
（神奇的是，這個(gè)評(píng)論有10個(gè)贊，比下面幾條反駁它的都多）
Dude, Poland wasn't even a country from the mid-18th century till the Treaty of Versailles--except for a brief exercise in nationhood under Napoleon. These “German ancestral lands" were as stolen as stolen gets. Even the Prussian lands were stolen from…guess who? THE PRUSSIANS!! Precluding the Lithuanian Crusade the Teutonic Order conquered Prussia in another crusade and used it as a base, which eventually grew into the Prussian kingdom. These were Germans living on stolen lands. There is no territory in Poland or the Baltic today to which Germans RIGHTFULLY have claim.
老兄，從18世紀(jì)中葉到《凡爾賽條約》，波蘭甚至不是一個(gè)國家--除了拿破侖時(shí)期短暫的建國活動(dòng)。這些所謂被偷走的"德國祖先的土地"是偷來的。甚至普魯士的土地也是從......你猜是誰那里偷來的？普魯士人！! 在立陶宛十字軍東征之前，條頓騎士團(tuán)在另一次十字軍東征中征服了普魯士，并將其作為一個(gè)基地，最終發(fā)展成為普魯士王國。這些德國人生活在偷來的土地上。今天，在波蘭或波羅的海，根本沒有德國人所謂的“本應(yīng)屬于他們”的領(lǐng)土。
Are you serious!! Nazi apologism doesn’t get much more blatant than that.
Perhaps the UK should have handed them their entire Jewish population into the bargain. Never in the history of warfare or human conflict has a war been so utterly good against bad as WW2.
Yet your only response is “The UK declared war on Germany”! Wow!
你是認(rèn)真的嗎??？沒有比這更明目張膽的為納粹的辯解了。
也許英國應(yīng)該把他們所有的猶太人都交給他們，作為停戰(zhàn)條件？在戰(zhàn)爭或人類沖突的歷史上，從來沒有一場戰(zhàn)爭像二戰(zhàn)那樣徹底地是好VS壞過。
然而，你唯一的回應(yīng)是"英國向德國宣戰(zhàn)了"! 哇塞！
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Regardless of reparation related arguments. Are we sincerely claiming that the world would be a better place if the UK and commonwealth had signed an armistice with NAZI Germany? I think a few Jews may argue that point…
不管與賠償有關(guān)的爭論如何。我們是否真誠地聲稱，如果英國和英聯(lián)邦與納粹德國簽署停戰(zhàn)協(xié)議，世界將變得更美好？我想有幾個(gè)猶太人可能對(duì)此會(huì)有爭論......
This was done under the provisions of a special law titled “Lastenausgleichsgesetz” which was passed by the German Bundestag in 1953. The moneys necessary to cover this huge extra budget item were to come from the native West German taxpayers who, in relative terms, had suffered a lot less from the consequences of the war than their dispossessed compatriots from the East. Sadly, once finally established in some new but unfamiliar surroundings, these people were too often regarded without sympathy as unwelcome foreign intruders by the local populace who, when among themselves, spoke of them in a cold-humored way as “die aus der kalten Heimat” (“those from the cold homeland”, i.e. the German eastern provinces).
Due to the very large numbers involved, it provided compensation for only a portion of the actual appraised value of these properties (industrial works and factories, artisan shops and dealerships, farms and estates, etc.), but it was better than receiving nothing at all for the total loss of their valued assets and thus was much appreciated by the expellees and their families striving hard to build a new life for themselves under the most challenging conditions.
這是根據(jù)1953年德國聯(lián)邦議院通過的一項(xiàng)名為"Lastenausgleichsgesetz "的特別法律規(guī)定進(jìn)行的。支付這個(gè)巨大的額外預(yù)算項(xiàng)目所需的資金來自西德本地的納稅人，相對(duì)而言，西德遭受的戰(zhàn)爭后果比他們被剝奪土地的東方同胞要少得多?？杀氖牵S著這些人終于在一些新的但不熟悉的環(huán)境中站穩(wěn)腳跟，他們往往會(huì)被當(dāng)?shù)鼐用褚暈椴皇軞g迎的外來入侵者，而在他們之間，他們會(huì)以一種冷幽默的方式將他們稱為"Die aus der kalten Heimat"（"那些來自寒冷家鄉(xiāng)的人"，即德國東部省份）。
由于涉及的人數(shù)非常多，政府只提供了這些財(cái)產(chǎn)（工業(yè)廠房和工廠、工匠商店和經(jīng)銷商、農(nóng)場和莊園等）實(shí)際評(píng)估價(jià)值的一部分賠償，但這總比完全沒有得到他們有價(jià)值的資產(chǎn)要好，因此，被驅(qū)逐者和他們的家人在最艱難的條件下努力為自己建立新的生活，對(duì)此非常感激。
Yet.
還沒完。
It will never happen. Germans consider WWII reparations to be closed chapter, mainly because they repayed maybe single percents of the damage. If Germany got Prussia back and had to repay the damage just in Poland, the country would be bankrupt in such a manner that Greece would look like a gold mine.
這永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)發(fā)生。德國人認(rèn)為二戰(zhàn)賠款已經(jīng)結(jié)束，主要是因?yàn)樗麄儍斶€的可能只有實(shí)際損失的百分之幾。如果德國拿回了普魯士，并且不得不償還在波蘭的損失，那么這個(gè)國家就會(huì)破產(chǎn)，這會(huì)使希臘看起來就像一個(gè)金礦。
UK consent to reunification was delayed while Herr Kohl considered recognition of the Eastern Border as the final accepted border. It was not immediate. I have no doubt that there will be strands of opinion in German that have nostalgia for a larger Germany.
It does not take too much imagination to see that a different future German leader could reopen the topic.
在科爾先生還在考慮是不是要承認(rèn)東徳東部邊界為最終接受的邊界時(shí)，英國對(duì)德國統(tǒng)一的同意推遲了。這并不是立即做出的決定。我毫不懷疑，德國人中會(huì)有一些人對(duì)一個(gè)更大的德國懷念不已。
不需要太多想象力就可以看出，未來的德國領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人會(huì)重新開啟這個(gè)話題。
Zero chance. The only Germans interested are those personally expelled, so people in their 80s or older. For the future generations of Germans, the old border will be just a part of history books.
The only “revisionist” thing that might happen in Germany is classificatoin of the Western strategic bombing and Soviet mass rapes as war crimes, but I won’t hold breath.
這個(gè)機(jī)會(huì)是零。對(duì)此唯一感興趣的德國人是那些當(dāng)初被驅(qū)逐的人，所以都已經(jīng)是80多歲或更老的人了。對(duì)德國人的后代來說，舊邊界將只會(huì)是歷史書的一部分。
唯一可能在德國發(fā)生的"修正主義"事情是將西方的戰(zhàn)略轟炸和蘇聯(lián)的大規(guī)模強(qiáng)奸歸為戰(zhàn)爭罪，對(duì)此我不會(huì)意外。
Obviously I hope you are correct. I am sure if you asked a “typical” German in 1929 if s/he would follow a madman into hell they could not imagine it … and yet they did.
Churchill said that those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Refusing the possibility because you do not want to contemplate horror does not remove horror from existence. Your certainty scares me.
The role call of aggression and crimes is, indeed long and I am sure we can all add our own particular “favourites”. Hitler and Stalin both did terrible things but their motives were entirely different. Hitler wanted world domination. Stalin wanted Com...ism to survive in the USSR. He had survived the long civil war and the loss of Finland, the Baltic States, Eastern Poland and Bessarabia at Brest-Litovsk. Regaining territory in the face of a greater threat? Foreign policy choices remarkably similar to both Britain and France in the 1930s?
Pretty much all that Stalin did would have accorded with other European powers in the late 1930s - unless you think Britain and France appeasing Hitler at Munich did not include guilt for the murder of Czech and Slovak resistors, even Katy can be put in that box. All hand their hands dipped in blood.
The collapse of Yugoslavia showed us that friends and neighbours can still go to war over ethnic labels. And only last week, Brexit Britain sent a warship to “defend" the Channel Islands from France! How deep are the roots of peace in Europe?
我當(dāng)然希望你是對(duì)的。但是我也確信，如果你在1929年問一個(gè)"典型的"德國人，他/她是否會(huì)跟隨一個(gè)瘋子進(jìn)地獄，他們肯定無法想象......但他們確實(shí)這樣做了。
丘吉爾說過，那些不從歷史中學(xué)習(xí)的人注定要重復(fù)歷史。因?yàn)槟悴幌肟紤]這件事的可能性有多恐怖，并不能從存在中消除恐怖。你的肯定反而讓我感到害怕。
侵略和犯罪的角色名單確實(shí)很長，我相信我們都可以添加我們自己特定的"最愛"。希特勒和斯大林都做了可怕的事情，但他們的動(dòng)機(jī)完全不同。
希特勒想要統(tǒng)治世界。斯大林希望共產(chǎn)主義能在蘇聯(lián)生存下去。他在漫長的內(nèi)戰(zhàn)中幸存下來，并在布列斯特-利托夫斯克條約中失去了芬蘭、波羅的海國家、波蘭東部和貝薩拉比亞。在更大的威脅面前奪回領(lǐng)土？外交政策的選擇與1930年代的英國和法國都非常相似？
斯大林所做的一切幾乎都符合其他歐洲大國在20世紀(jì)30年代末的做法--除非你認(rèn)為英國和法國在慕尼黑安撫希特勒的行為不屬于謀殺捷克和斯洛伐克抵抗者的罪行，甚至凱蒂也可以被放進(jìn)這個(gè)名單。他們的手都沾滿了血。
南斯拉夫的解體向我們表明，朋友和鄰居仍然可以因?yàn)榉N族標(biāo)簽而開戰(zhàn)。而就在上周，英國脫歐派了一艘軍艦去"保衛(wèi)"海峽群島不受法國的侵犯！這讓我們看到，和平的根基有多深？歐洲的和平根基有多深？
Strategic bombing is not and will never be a war crime. Germany was the aggressor and the strategic bombing was essential in diverting German resources away from the Eastern front as well as destroying German industry and infrastructure. The Germans caused the deaths of 27 million people in the East and hundreds of times more innocent civilians than Germany lost. This number would have been even greater without the allied bombing.
In addition, British bombers were forbidden by their high command from even flying over populated German areas to reduce the risk of civilian casualties. This all changed when the Germans started indiscrimnately bombing British cities.
You reap what you sow!
戰(zhàn)略轟炸不是也永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)是戰(zhàn)爭罪。德國是侵略者，戰(zhàn)略轟炸對(duì)轉(zhuǎn)移德國在東線的資源以及摧毀德國的工業(yè)和基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施至關(guān)重要。德國人在東方造成了2700萬人的死亡，無辜平民的死亡人數(shù)是德國損失的數(shù)百倍。如果沒有盟軍的轟炸，這個(gè)數(shù)字甚至?xí)蟆?br /> 此外，英國轟炸機(jī)甚至被其最高指揮部禁止飛越德國人口密集區(qū)，以減少平民傷亡的風(fēng)險(xiǎn)。當(dāng)?shù)聡碎_始不分青紅皂白地轟炸英國城市時(shí)，這一切都改變了。
種瓜得瓜，種豆得豆!
Note that Germany lost a LOT of territory to Poland/USSR; and that’s not counting the suffering that the German people at the hands of the Nazis, the Red Army, etc. In other words; the German people paid the price of Hitler’s crimes, in full.
It’s NOT Germany’s fault that its citizens quickly rebuilt their cities, industry, railroads, etc. If torn to hell Germany was able to do so after WW II; why can’t some other nations in Europe do the same things?
請注意，德國失去了很多領(lǐng)土給波蘭/蘇聯(lián)；這還不算德國人民在納粹、紅軍等手中遭受的痛苦。換句話說，德國人民為希特勒的罪行付出了全部代價(jià)。
德國公民迅速重建了城市、工業(yè)、鐵路等，這不是德國的錯(cuò)。如果被撕裂成地獄的德國在二戰(zhàn)后能夠這樣做；為什么歐洲其他一些國家不能做同樣的事情？
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Germany rebuilt partly because of their work ethic. However, don't undervalue the Marshall Plan. American generosity in the postwar period was immense and really laid the foundation of the peace and prosperity of Western Europe.
Countries not supported by the Plan (Warsaw Pact) were much slower to recover.
德國重建的部分原因是他們的職業(yè)道德。然而，不要低估了馬歇爾計(jì)劃的價(jià)值。美國在戰(zhàn)后的慷慨解囊是巨大的，確實(shí)為西歐的和平和繁榮奠定了基礎(chǔ)。
沒有得到該計(jì)劃支持的國家（華沙條約組織）的恢復(fù)要慢得多。
It was a LOAN . and Germany was one of the lesser recipients.
這是一筆“貸款”。而且德國是接收較少的國家之一。
Poland did not start World War II, but still lost much more land and was the main field for many clashes (damage to real estate and civilians was much greater than in Germany). The Marshall Plan helped a lot in rebuilding Germany, but I think the Americans did it to have a strong counterbalance to the USSR because they saw that it would be their main opponent. Btw, NRD did not receive the Marshal, do you remember what a difference was between NRD and RFN?
NRD still had some privileges in compare to other occupied countries but was so far after RFN.
Germans people voted for Hitler
波蘭沒有發(fā)動(dòng)二戰(zhàn)，但仍然失去了更多的土地，并且是許多沖突的主要戰(zhàn)場（對(duì)房地產(chǎn)和平民的損害比德國大得多）。馬歇爾計(jì)劃對(duì)德國的重建幫助很大，但我認(rèn)為美國人這樣做是為了對(duì)蘇聯(lián)形成強(qiáng)有力的制衡，因?yàn)樗麄兛吹教K聯(lián)將是他們的主要對(duì)手。順便說一下，新民主主義共和國沒有得到馬歇爾計(jì)劃的援助，你還記得新民主主義共和國和俄羅斯聯(lián)邦的區(qū)別是什么嗎？
與其他被占領(lǐng)的國家相比，新民主主義共和國仍有一些特權(quán)，但比北約要晚很多。
還有，德國人投票給希特勒
My grandmother (born ‘23) came from close to Marienburg in Eastern Prussia. They had to flee when the Russians came and on the way, her younger brother got shot by drunk Russian soldiers. Her older brothers had all died in the war before.
Despite that, she never blamed the Russians or anything. She hated the Nazis and accepted that Eastern Prussia was lost. She said that we started the war and lost, so we have no reason to complain. Also, she never wanted to go back there, not even to visit after the Wall came down…
我的祖母（23年出生）來自東普魯士的馬里恩堡附近。俄國人來的時(shí)候，他們不得不逃亡，在路上，她的弟弟被喝醉的俄國士兵射殺了。她的哥哥們之前都死在了戰(zhàn)爭中。
盡管如此，她從未責(zé)怪過俄國人或任何東西。她憎恨納粹，并接受東普魯士已經(jīng)失落的事實(shí)。她說，我們發(fā)動(dòng)了戰(zhàn)爭并輸了，所以我們沒有理由抱怨。另外，她從來沒有想過要回到那里，甚至在墻倒塌后也沒有去過......
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Unfortunately (not the point of the question but relevant to it) Hitler cared too much. He delayed the extensively planned evacuation of East Prussia and other areas until the last moment, leading to desperate situations like this where civilians left of their own accord and fended for themselves on the road. The Nazis even mixed in fake accounts of Soviet atrocities with the real ones and disseminated them among the population, also causing panicked flight.
不幸的是（不是問題的重點(diǎn)，但與問題有關(guān)），希特勒太在乎了。他把對(duì)東普魯士和其他地區(qū)的廣泛的疏散計(jì)劃推遲到最后一刻，導(dǎo)致了像這樣的絕望情況：平民主動(dòng)離開，在路上自生自滅。納粹甚至將蘇聯(lián)暴行的假賬與真賬混在一起，在民眾中傳播，也造成了恐慌性的逃離。
It should have been winter 1945, not 1944 when wehrmacht was still deep in Russia
應(yīng)該是1945年冬天，而不是1944年，那時(shí)候國防軍還深入在俄羅斯
I would add that most of Prussia is now Russian not Polish. Poland was given Silesia and the land around Poznan, but even then most of that land was Polish before the multiple partitions in the 1700’s. Even if Germany was concerned about Prussia, they were not about to do anything about it. Certainly individuals would have felt much like the Poles that survived the various purges who then had to leave the area around Lviv that is now part of Ukraine.
我想補(bǔ)充的是，普魯士的大部分地區(qū)現(xiàn)在是屬于俄羅斯而不是波蘭。波蘭得到了西里西亞和波茲南周圍的土地，但即使如此，在1700年的多次分治之前，這些土地大部分都是波蘭的。即使德國關(guān)注普魯士，他們也不打算對(duì)此采取任何行動(dòng)。當(dāng)然，那里的人會(huì)覺得很像那些在各種清洗中幸存下來的波蘭人，他們后來不得不離開現(xiàn)在屬于烏克蘭的利沃夫周圍地區(qū)。
The boundaries of Eastern Europe have changed very much over the course of the last couple hundred years. Germany sometimes has acquired property; sometimes lost property. My prediction is that in the future what is now Russia will become part of the EU just as Poland is now. In this case, it won’t matter: Prussia along with other “countries” will sort of be returned to Germany or at least to the West. Time will tell.
在過去的幾百年里，東歐的邊界發(fā)生了很大的變化。德國有時(shí)獲得了財(cái)產(chǎn)；有時(shí)失去了財(cái)產(chǎn)。我的預(yù)測是，在未來，現(xiàn)在的俄羅斯將成為歐盟的一部分，就像現(xiàn)在的波蘭一樣。在這種情況下，這并不重要。普魯士和其他"國家"將在某種程度上被歸還給德國，或者至少歸還給西方。時(shí)間會(huì)證明一切。
It’s long past due that “Poland” return all historical Prussia to Germany and give the descendants their land/property back that was illegally & brutally stolen by the judeo–bolsheviks.
“波蘭”早就該將所有歷史上的普魯士歸還德國，并歸還被猶太-布爾什維克非法殘忍偷走的土地/財(cái)產(chǎn)給其后代。
Nazi leadership was Catholic and south german. All most all Holocaust killers were Catholic and South or west German. Unfortunately Lutheran,Prussians suffered the consequences. Southern ,Catholic Germany prospered. after WW2.
納粹領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人是天主教徒和南德人。大多數(shù)大屠殺的兇手都是天主教徒和南德或西德人。不幸的是，路德宗和普魯士人承受了后果。南方的天主教德國反而在二戰(zhàn)后繁榮起來了。
It is worth pointing out that just over 50% of Prussia (as it was at its maximum extent in 1867) is still part of Germany. There have been occasional suggestions of renaming the Land of Brandenburg as Brandenburg-Prussia.
值得指出的是，略超過50%的普魯士領(lǐng)土（正如它在1867年的最大程度）仍然是德國的一部分。偶爾也有人建議將勃蘭登堡的土地重新命名為勃蘭登堡-普魯士。