QA問答：去日本旅行，你注意到哪些日本文化的細(xì)節(jié)?
What revealing detail of Japanese culture did you notice during a trip to Japan?
譯文簡介
討論日本公共浴池文化
正文翻譯
William Dickson
One detail that I noticed when I visited a public bath: the mutual respect between people.
當(dāng)我去公共浴室時(shí)，我注意到一個(gè)細(xì)節(jié):人與人之間的相互尊重。
One detail that I noticed when I visited a public bath: the mutual respect between people.
當(dāng)我去公共浴室時(shí)，我注意到一個(gè)細(xì)節(jié):人與人之間的相互尊重。
For economic and historical reasons, for centuries the Japanese did not have the money to have a private bath in their home. They therefore had to go swimming together.You enter, you pay. We give you a key and we assign you a cabin.
You go in there, you undress, you put your clothes in a locker, and you keep the key on your wrist. Then you enter, naked, into the next room. You can use the small towel to cover your genitals, but it is too small to be usable.This room has rows of small walls, with an attached shower head. You sit on a stool, and you shower. With lots of people around you. Lots of people go there with friends, or chat with their neighbor. Some of these public baths have proper "baths", that is, large tubs of hot water, which you can go to after washing.
Men have separate rooms, of course.
由于經(jīng)濟(jì)和歷史的原因，幾個(gè)世紀(jì)以來，日本人沒有錢在家里擁有一個(gè)私人浴室。因此，他們不得不一起去游泳。你進(jìn)去，付錢。我們給你鑰匙，給你安排一個(gè)小木屋。你進(jìn)去，脫下衣服，把衣服放在儲(chǔ)物柜里，把鑰匙戴在手腕上。然后你光著身子走進(jìn)隔壁房間。你可以用小毛巾蓋住你的生殖器，但毛巾太小了，不能使用。這個(gè)房間有幾排小墻，附帶一個(gè)淋浴噴頭。你坐在凳子上，然后洗澡。你周圍有很多人。很多人和朋友去那里，或者和鄰居聊天。有些公共浴場有特有的“浴場”，也就是說，有很大的熱水浴缸，你可以在洗完澡后進(jìn)去。
當(dāng)然，男人有各自的房間。
You go in there, you undress, you put your clothes in a locker, and you keep the key on your wrist. Then you enter, naked, into the next room. You can use the small towel to cover your genitals, but it is too small to be usable.This room has rows of small walls, with an attached shower head. You sit on a stool, and you shower. With lots of people around you. Lots of people go there with friends, or chat with their neighbor. Some of these public baths have proper "baths", that is, large tubs of hot water, which you can go to after washing.
Men have separate rooms, of course.
由于經(jīng)濟(jì)和歷史的原因，幾個(gè)世紀(jì)以來，日本人沒有錢在家里擁有一個(gè)私人浴室。因此，他們不得不一起去游泳。你進(jìn)去，付錢。我們給你鑰匙，給你安排一個(gè)小木屋。你進(jìn)去，脫下衣服，把衣服放在儲(chǔ)物柜里，把鑰匙戴在手腕上。然后你光著身子走進(jìn)隔壁房間。你可以用小毛巾蓋住你的生殖器，但毛巾太小了，不能使用。這個(gè)房間有幾排小墻，附帶一個(gè)淋浴噴頭。你坐在凳子上，然后洗澡。你周圍有很多人。很多人和朋友去那里，或者和鄰居聊天。有些公共浴場有特有的“浴場”，也就是說，有很大的熱水浴缸，你可以在洗完澡后進(jìn)去。
當(dāng)然，男人有各自的房間。
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No offense to anyone here.
William, most of your explanation about Japanese old-fashioned public bath is, I think, correct, from the historical point of view.
However, as a Japanese female myself, I would like to tell you that you are posting a very inappropriate picture on your answer. I cannot upvote your answer, as long as you are misleading other people by showing the picture. Very offensive and kbizarre…No respect toward women, whatsoever…
無意冒犯各位。
威廉，從歷史的角度來看，我認(rèn)為你對日本老式公共浴室的大部分解釋都是正確的。
然而，作為一名日本女性，我想告訴你，你在你的回答上發(fā)布了一張非常不合適的照片。既然你用圖片來誤導(dǎo)別人，我就不能給你的答案點(diǎn)贊。非常無禮和怪異……無論如何都是對女性的不尊重……
I wish I could upvote your comment a hundred times. I reported this answer a long time ago for the image which violates the image policy. Unfortunately, Quora Moderation has not acted on my report;
我希望能給你的評論點(diǎn)100個(gè)贊。我很久以前就舉報(bào)過這個(gè)答案，因?yàn)樗`反了圖片政策?？上uora對我的舉報(bào)沒有反應(yīng)。
Really? Oh my..
I thought English Quora is more strict about this kind of images. I am very disappointed with English version of Quora…
No being nice and no respect toward Asian women, is that it?
I take this picture very offensive, as a Japanese women. Someone at Japan Quora shared this answer somehow, so I happened to notice the photo.
I have never seen such like this picture, even in my country. Usually they show the picture of the man public bath or an empty public bath to introduce this unique culture of Japan!
This is worse than porn videos, because these people are not porn stars, but just regular people. This picture was not taken for a long time ago, it was taken recently.
Why the image has to be this?
English Quora is no longer following the policy? And how come this answer got that many upvotes?
The content of the answer is even not well-written about a CURRENT Japanese public bath. We do not have many old-fashioned public baths like the picture anymore.
真的嗎？天哪……
我以為Quora英語區(qū)對這類圖片要求更嚴(yán)格。我對Quora英文區(qū)非常失望……
對亞洲女性不友好，不尊重，是不是?
作為一名日本女性，我覺得這張照片非常無禮。Quora日文區(qū)上有人分享了這個(gè)答案，所以我碰巧注意到了這張照片。
即使在我的國家，我也從來沒有見過這樣的照片。通常他們會(huì)在公共浴池或空浴池中展示男人的照片來介紹這種獨(dú)特的日本文化!
這比色情視頻還糟糕，因?yàn)檫@些人不是色情明星，只是普通人。這張照片不是很久以前拍的，是最近拍的。
為什么必須是這種圖片?
Quora英文區(qū)不再遵循這一政策了嗎?這個(gè)答案是怎么得到那么多贊的?
甚至關(guān)于現(xiàn)在的日本公共浴室的回答，內(nèi)容也寫得很一般。我們已經(jīng)沒有像圖片中那樣的老式公共浴室了。
Seen this in movies set in Japan (and some other countries) where these baths are used for chilling and socialising/relaxing. The idea sounds great and it must be amazing to feel so relaxed with friends you can all sit in a bath together. I’m guessing though you really need to have been brought up with that, I’m not sure at all I’d feel comfortable with it. Nah, think we British will stick to going off to the pub after work
在以日本(和其他一些國家)為背景的電影中看到過這一點(diǎn)，在電影中這些浴池被用作休息和社交/放松。這個(gè)主意聽起來很棒，和朋友們一起坐在浴缸里感覺如此放松一定很神奇。我猜，雖然你是在這樣的環(huán)境中長大的，但我不確定我是否會(huì)對此感到舒服。額，我覺得我們英國人下班后還是會(huì)去酒吧。
The purpose of the picture is obvious. It shows the reverse of what the answer mentioning about: the respect for each other. These ppl didn’t ask to have their picture here I believe.
這幅圖片的目的很明顯。這與回答中提到的“尊重對方”正好相反。我相信這些人并沒有要求把她們的照片放在這里。
Public baths are facilities just for keeping public sanitation and health, and probably this photo must be taken by voyeur as illegal as child porn, whatever the way to be got.
公共浴室只是為了保持公共衛(wèi)生和健康的設(shè)施，也許這張照片由偷窺者拍攝，無論以何種方式獲得，都是非法的，就像兒童色情一樣。
I wonder that myself too. Either way the use of that image violates the image policy.
我自己也這么想。無論哪種方式，該圖片的使用都會(huì)違反圖片政策。
I thought it very intrusive-published without permission.
我認(rèn)為這種圖片未經(jīng)允許就發(fā)布是很不禮貌的。
Lesbians' paradise
女同性戀者的天堂
at least they are all females, on some naked beaches in Europe , you have men and women.
至少她們都是女性，在歐洲的一些裸體海灘上，男女都有。
Russia has the same type of baths
俄羅斯也有同樣類型的浴室。
Icelanders also do it as well. N.
冰島人也這么干。
Why so many answers involving Asia have to contain pictures of Asian women?
為什么那么多涉及亞洲的回答都要包含亞洲女性的照片?
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Western media trope: Asian men are asexual and Asian women are exotic.
西方媒體比喻:亞洲男人是無性的，亞洲女人有異國情調(diào)。
I have not been to Japan, but I know that men and women went to the baths there together and did not hesitate to see each other naked. The Americans made them feel ashamed for it.
我沒有去過日本，但我知道男人和女人一起去公共浴室洗澡，直接看到對方的裸體。美國人讓他們對此感到羞愧。
How exactly did the Americans make them feel ashamed of it? Bear in mind that this phenomenon is not peculiar to Japan. In the Netherlands it is normal for people of all age and sex to be naked in a sauna facility which is not all that different from a bath house in Japan. And public nudity is quite common in Germany.
Despite this, I have no idea why only it seems that Japan is the subject of intrusive discussion and ridicule while those two European countries are not.
美國人到底是怎么讓他們感到羞恥的?請記住，這種現(xiàn)象并非日本獨(dú)有。在荷蘭，不分年齡和性別的人在桑拿設(shè)施中裸體都是很正常的，這與日本的浴室沒有什么不同。在德國，公共場合裸體是很常見的。
盡管如此，我不知道為什么只有日本成為了侵入性討論和嘲笑的對象，而那兩個(gè)歐洲國家卻不是。
When I went to Japan last time I know that the hotels had separate place for man and woman.
I honestly admit that I don’t know how I can stand not to have a boner if the bath is a mix one and for that one sole reason that I prefer not to get in a mix one cause I don’t want to offend anyone or having to deal with the law :D
當(dāng)我上次去日本的時(shí)候，我知道酒店里有男女分開的地方。
老實(shí)說,我承認(rèn),如果是混合浴，我不知道我怎么才能忍著不勃起，這就是我唯一不喜歡混合浴的原因，因?yàn)槲也幌朊胺溉魏稳?，也不想觸犯法律。
Ugh...the last line ruined my plans to go to Japan.
額……最后一句話毀了我去日本的計(jì)劃。
Love the onsen. Obviously not allowed to take pictures. Picture seems like it is from an adult video… for the views. Better to post a picture that emphasizes the beauty of the onsen itself
喜歡溫泉。顯然不允許拍照。圖片看起來像是成人視頻……供觀看的。最好是貼一張照片，強(qiáng)調(diào)溫泉本身的美。
Jack Wheeler
I have always wanted to visit the public bath where a giant Sumo wrestler beats up people from around the world. Did you go to that one?
我一直想拜訪一家公共浴室，那里有一個(gè)高大的相撲手打敗了來自世界各地的人。你去過那家嗎？
But… there’s no Diversity!
但是，根本就沒有多樣性!
The girls look like teens. You could go to jail for putting this picture up.
You should remove the picture and put up something less pornographic.
A better picture:
這些女孩看起來像十幾歲的孩子。你貼這張照片會(huì)進(jìn)監(jiān)獄的。
你應(yīng)該把這幅圖拿掉，貼上一些不那澀情的圖片。
例如：
Sean James
These baths were traditionally unisex and were an important social gathering place in Japanese communities for hundreds of years. As western sensibilities became common in Japan, walls sprang up to create male and female sides. Newer structures were purpose built with 2 sides, but there are still a few public baths that have common pools.
這些浴場傳統(tǒng)上是男女皆可的，數(shù)百年來一直是日本社區(qū)重要的社會(huì)聚會(huì)場所。隨著西式敏感性在日本變得普遍，出現(xiàn)墻壁將男女隔開。較新的浴室設(shè)施特意建造兩邊，但仍有一些公共澡堂有公共游泳池。
Agree to this. The sense of “shame” was actually non existent before the European exploration/expedition. Before Spanish arrived here in the Philippines, some of the women in our tribes do not have cover on the upper part of their body with their breasts gracefully shown. But it was not considered a taboo. They were well respected by the elders. I can sense the same thing with Japanese history. I understand that these baths were originally unisex but due to American influence, seeing each other as naked seems taboo
同意這一點(diǎn)?！靶邜u感”在歐洲探險(xiǎn)之前實(shí)際上是不存在的。在西班牙人來到菲律賓之前，我們部落的一些女性沒有遮蓋上半身，而是優(yōu)雅地露出胸部。但人們并不認(rèn)為這是禁忌。他們很受長輩們的尊敬。我對日本歷史也有同樣的感覺。我知道這些浴室最初是男女皆宜的，但由于美國的影響，看到對方裸體似乎是禁忌。
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Think it's odd that it comes from Western sensibilities. Before covid I went swimming naked every week at a pool that's open for all genders and ages.
認(rèn)為它來自于西式敏感性，我覺得很奇怪。在新冠肺炎之前，我每周都去泳池裸泳，泳池對所有性別和年齡開放。
Is it easy to take bath in unisex . Erection must be obvious especially for the youngs
在男女皆宜的地方洗澡輕松嗎?勃起一定很明顯，特別是對年輕人
Korean spa.
I go every month. Best spa experience ever.
韓式水療。
我每個(gè)月都去。是我最好的水療體驗(yàn)。
I went to my first Korean spa when I was 16 and felt so “shy” and “embarrassed” to be so revealed but it became so comfortable SO fast because a lot of other cultures just don’t care. I truly understood that western culture put that sense of “shame” on us at that point.
我16歲的時(shí)候，第一次做韓式水療，我感到很“害羞”和“尷尬”，但很快就變得很舒服了，因?yàn)楹芏嗥渌幕疾辉诤?。我真正理解的是，西方文化在那個(gè)時(shí)候給了我們一種“羞恥感”。
Animal in human hide has no shyness even cannot distinguish between modesty and nakedness.
人皮動(dòng)物沒羞沒臊，連適度和赤身裸體都分不清。
nothing to be ashamed of or embarressed about! allah’s beautiful creation: the human naked body!
沒什么好羞愧的，沒什么不好意思的!安拉美麗的創(chuàng)造:人類的裸體!
Allah has created all things, beautiful as well as ugly, those that arouse and those that repulse. He has also clearly stated what among his creations is halal and what is Haram. Exposing yourself in front of strangers as well as watching them in a similar state is of the latter kind. That's why shame is built into human nature.
安拉創(chuàng)造了一切事物，無論是美是丑，無論是鼓勵(lì)的還是排斥的。他還清楚地說明了他的作品中哪些是清真的，哪些是非法的。把自己暴露在陌生人面前，并以相似的狀態(tài)看著他們，屬于后者。這就是為什么羞恥是人類天性的一部分。
well, if it arouses and/or repulses you it says more about you then about allah!
好吧，如果它能激起你的欲望或者讓你反感，更多的是關(guān)于你，而不是關(guān)于安拉!
Let everyone live according to their culture. Imposing our views and stating them to be will of God by whatever name he is called is arrogance. I am sure if god is all powerful he can impose his will on his own and doesn’t need half witted agents.
讓每個(gè)人都按照自己的文化生活。不管上帝叫什么名字，把我們的觀點(diǎn)強(qiáng)加于人，并宣稱這是上帝的意志，這就是傲慢。我相信，如果上帝是強(qiáng)大的，他可以踐行自己的意志，而不需要腦殘代理人。