為什么二戰(zhàn)期間蘇聯(lián)的生命損失如此巨大？
Why was loss of life so massive for Soviets during WW2?
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看看不同國家的二戰(zhàn)傷亡人數(shù)圖表（比如這張），我總是對蘇聯(lián)的傷亡人數(shù)甚至超過中國感到震驚，盡管日本軍隊的殘暴和殘忍比德國人更臭名昭著。
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Why was loss of life so massive for Soviets during WW2?
為什么二戰(zhàn)期間蘇聯(lián)人的生命損失如此巨大？
Looking at those charts of WW2 casualties by country (like this one) I always get startled by how massively Soviet casualties outnumber even those of China, even though Japanese military's brutality and cruelty is more infamous than that of Germans.
看看不同國家的二戰(zhàn)傷亡人數(shù)圖表（比如這張），我總是對蘇聯(lián)的傷亡人數(shù)甚至超過中國感到震驚，盡管日本軍隊的殘暴和殘忍比德國人更臭名昭著。
看看不同國家的二戰(zhàn)傷亡人數(shù)圖表（比如這張），我總是對蘇聯(lián)的傷亡人數(shù)甚至超過中國感到震驚，盡管日本軍隊的殘暴和殘忍比德國人更臭名昭著。
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Moscow City
An example for you: my hometown was occupied for 2.5 years. There was a concentration camp build. 2/3 of the housing was destroyed. Invaluable historic buildings and artifacts destroyed or stolen. After the town was liberated, it was estimated that 70-80% of the population was either killed or sent away to concentration camps. There was (still is) a psychiatric hospital nearby, 500+ patients that resided there in the time were murdered and buried in a mass grave. The village nearby that was also occupied had a population of less than a thousand people before the war, and it has 3 mass graves after. Now, take that information and apply it to thousands of villages and towns across the USSR. Also google Khatyn for to get a real good idea about the behaviour of German forces towards Soviet civilians.
莫斯科市
給你舉個例子：我的家鄉(xiāng)被占領(lǐng)了2.5年。有一個集中營建在那里。2/3的住房被毀。無價的歷史建筑和文物被毀或被盜。城鎮(zhèn)解放后，估計了一下，有70-80%的人口被殺害或被送去集中營。附近有（現(xiàn)在仍然有）一家精神病院，當(dāng)時住在那里的500多名病人被殺害，埋在亂葬崗。附近同樣被占領(lǐng)的村莊在戰(zhàn)前的人口不到一千人，戰(zhàn)后有三個萬人坑?，F(xiàn)在，把這些信息應(yīng)用到整個蘇聯(lián)的數(shù)千個村莊和城鎮(zhèn)。還可以用谷歌搜索哈廷慘案，以便真正了解德軍對蘇聯(lián)平民的行為。
Germans brutality and cruelty was on same level of japanese, and on a much larger scale.
德國人的野蠻和殘忍與日本人的水平相同，而且規(guī)模更大。
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Omsk
Why was loss of life so massive for Soviets during WW2?
Nazis killed POWs and civilians, and wanted to GENO.... slavs...
is more infamous
Arguably, and even if it's more infamous - must it necessary lead to higher numbers?
鄂木斯克
“為什么二戰(zhàn)期間蘇聯(lián)人的生命損失如此巨大？”
納粹殺害戰(zhàn)俘和平民，并想對斯拉夫人進行種族滅絕。
“更加臭名昭著”
不好說，而且更臭名昭著就一定會導(dǎo)致更多的數(shù)字嗎？
Nazis killed ... civilians
Oh, you mean the like USA dropping atomic bombs on Japan? Oh, oops. I might have made the wrong point.
“納粹殺害......平民”
哦，你是說像美國在日本投擲原子彈？哦，哎呀。我可能說錯了。
Donbass will be free!
Funny enough both A-bombs took less lives than fire bombing
頓巴斯將獲得自由!
有意思的是，這兩枚原子彈所造成的生命損失比燃燒彈造成的要少
While I agree that nuclear bombs on Japan or anywhere else is insane tragedy, do you think alternatively US(and probably Soviets) invasion into Japan could have caused less life loss/destruction?
雖然我同意對日本或其他地方進行核爆是瘋狂的悲劇，但你認為如果美國（可能還有蘇聯(lián)）入侵日本本土，會造成更少的生命損失/破壞？
Donbass will be free!
You wouldn't even need to land invade Japan. At that point their fleet is non existed, army in China being decimated, their cities already being fire bombed by US. They did not had ANY OTHER option but surrender, it was matter of time and they were headed towards it (ofc with conditions that they keep their Emperor and conduct own trials over their war criminals). But nooope, US needed things to be settled on their conditions and need to show the big toy to someone else
頓巴斯將獲得自由!
你甚至不需要登陸入侵日本。在那個時候，他們的艦隊已經(jīng)不存在了，在中國的軍隊被消滅了，他們的城市已經(jīng)被美國轟炸了。他們除了投降沒有任何其他選擇，這只是時間問題，他們正朝著這個方向前進（當(dāng)然，條件是他們要保留他們的天皇并對他們的戰(zhàn)犯進行自己的審判）。但是不，美國需要根據(jù)他們的條件來解決事情，并且要秀一秀自己的大玩具。
That is not correct, even after nuclear bombs, jupanese military was against the surrender. They were on a home island and any invasion attempt would have been extremely costly.
Germans didn’t surrender until the end while attacked from all directions by the allies, but by your logic more fanatical Japanese would have not even try to defend their island.
這是不正確的，即使在核爆之后，日本軍隊也反對投降。他們在一個小島上，任何入侵企圖都會造成極大的損失。
德國人在盟軍的四面八方攻擊下直到最后才投降，但按照你的邏輯，更狂熱的日本人卻不會試圖保衛(wèi)他們的島嶼？
Donbass will be free!
Nah, yanks intentionally overestimate Japanese resolve to make A-bombing of civilian targets more justifiable
頓巴斯將獲得自由!
不，美國佬故意高估日本人的決心，以使轟炸平民目標(biāo)更加合理。
Moscow City
Why to bomb cities with civilians but not some army base? This was a horrific war crime. That was done to make the world terrified of US. Today we will call that a terrorist strike.
莫斯科市
為什么要轟炸有平民的城市而不是一些軍隊基地？這是一個可怕的戰(zhàn)爭罪行。這樣做是為了讓世界對美國感到恐懼。在今天，我們會把這稱為恐怖襲擊。
Which side didn’t bomb civilian cities during wwii?
That was inhumane way to force Japanese surrender. Or would you rather prefer regular invasion by the russians and us?
哪一方在二戰(zhàn)期間沒有轟炸平民城市？
那是一張不人道的迫使日本投降的方式。還是你更喜歡俄羅斯人和美國人的定期入侵？
Moscow City
Again. US nuked two cities, not naval or army bases. Do you really think Japanese continued to fight after nukes on military targets?
莫斯科市
還是那句話。美國核爆了兩個城市，而不是海軍或陸軍基地。你真的認為日本人在看到對軍事目標(biāo)的核爆之后還會繼續(xù)戰(zhàn)斗嗎？
Stavropol Krai
Are you asking because you skipped school? The Finns participated in the blockade of Leningrad - 600,000 people died in Leningrad.
斯塔夫羅波爾邊疆區(qū)
你逃學(xué)了嗎？芬蘭人參加了對列寧格勒的封鎖--60萬人死在列寧格勒。
OP
Suomi
I mean, to be fair, you put us between a rock and a hard place. We would have been more than happy to just sit out the whole war without border adjustments of any kind, but Stalin's invasion meant we could 1. Just accept getting steamrolled like a bunch of little bitches or 2. Accept Germany's offer to help.
The Finns participated in the blockade of Leningrad
The extent of our participation there is subject to debate. Remember, Suomi has never been a fascist country. Local fascists attempted a coup in 1932 (M?nts?l? rebellion), but it was a massive failure.
芬蘭
公平地說，你們讓我們處于兩難境地。我們本來很樂意在整個戰(zhàn)爭中不做任何邊界調(diào)整，但斯大林對我們的入侵意味著我們只能：
1. 接受像一群小母狗一樣被蘇聯(lián)碾壓的事實，或者2. 接受德國的援助提議。
“芬蘭人參與了對列寧格勒的封鎖”
我們在那里的參與程度有待商榷。請記住，芬蘭從來就不是一個法西斯主義國家。當(dāng)?shù)氐姆ㄎ魉狗肿釉?932年曾試圖發(fā)動政變（曼采萊叛亂），但這是一次大規(guī)模的失敗。
We would have been more than happy to just sit out the whole war without border adjustments of any kind
Finland wanted to return territories lost in Winter war and grab some more such as Karelia. It's not like Germans threatened you. You were gang ho on your own.
“我們本來很樂意在整個戰(zhàn)爭中不做任何邊界調(diào)整”
芬蘭想奪回在冬季戰(zhàn)爭中失去的領(lǐng)土，并攫取更多的領(lǐng)土，如卡累利阿。這不像是德國人在威脅你們。你們是自己主動參加的。
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OP
Suomi
Finland wanted to return territories
Totally justified, because we lost them in an unprovoked war of aggression waged by the Soviets.
and grab some more
I admit that this was a mistake. But then again, Soviets had proven that they were not interested in diplomatic solutions, so it makes sense that the Finnish military would try to secure as many bargaining chips as possible since German defeat was imminent. Also I'd imagine that many Finnish combatants were full of hatred towards Russians because of how unfairly we had been treated, which can be easily be weaponised by nationalist ideologues who want to push our borders further.
芬蘭
“芬蘭希望奪回領(lǐng)土”
這非常合理，因為這是我們在蘇聯(lián)無端發(fā)動的侵略戰(zhàn)爭中丟失的。
“并攫取更多的領(lǐng)土”
我承認這是個錯誤。但話說回來，蘇聯(lián)人已經(jīng)證明他們對外交解決方案不感興趣，所以芬蘭軍方想盡量爭取盡可能多的談判籌碼是有道理的，因為德國的失敗已近在咫尺。另外，我可以想象，許多芬蘭戰(zhàn)斗人員對俄國人充滿了仇恨，因為我們受到的對待太不公平，這很容易被那些想進一步推進我們邊界的民族主義思想家們當(dāng)作武器。
weaponised by nationalist ideologues
So nationalism is good when you do it.
Totally justified, because we lost them in an unprovoked war of aggression waged by the Soviets.
Every European country can justify their irredentism but fails to see how Russia wants to do the same.
“被民族主義思想家們當(dāng)作武器?！?br /> 所以民族主義在你做的時候就是好的。
“這非常合理，因為這是我們在蘇聯(lián)無端發(fā)動的侵略戰(zhàn)爭中丟失的。”
每個歐洲國家都可以為他們的種族隔離主義辯護，但卻看不到俄羅斯想做同樣的事情。
OP
Suomi
So nationalism is good when you do it
I never said that. I said that Soviet aggression created a fertile ground for ideas like Greater Finland, which had gotten incredibly unpopular, especially after the attempted fascist coup in 1932. So the greatest gift Soviets could have given to Finnish nationalists was attacking us. If you had never attacked us, maybe you would have defeated Germany sooner and with fewer casualties. Hell, maybe we would have even helped you fight against Germany, if they attempted to invade us like they invaded Norway.
“所以民族主義在你做的時候就是好的?！?br /> 我從來沒有這么說過。我說的是，蘇聯(lián)的侵略行徑為“大芬蘭”這樣的想法創(chuàng)造了肥沃的土壤，大芬蘭理想本來已經(jīng)變得非常不受歡迎，特別是在1932年法西斯政變未遂之后。因此，蘇聯(lián)人能給芬蘭民族主義者的最大禮物就是攻擊我們。如果你們沒有攻擊我們，也許你們會更快地擊敗德國，而且傷亡更少。該死的，也許我們甚至?xí)椭銈儗沟聡?，如果他們（德國）試圖像入侵挪威那樣入侵我們。
I am not that guy, but you ask the questions about ww2 losses, get a not pretty, but honest answer and then try to justify the actions of your country...why?
I mean, why do you even try to prove anything? This will likely change nothing. I mean, of course you follow sub about the current war and perhaps want to leave a subtle message, but... you get the idea why you can't be not, heard, but listened here. Spread your agenda on a more fertile soil, dood.
我不是你回復(fù)的那個人，但你問了一個關(guān)于二戰(zhàn)損失的問題，得到了一個不漂亮但誠實的答案，然后你試圖為你的國家的行為辯護......為什么？
我的意思是，你為什么甚至?xí)胍ピ噲D證明點什么？這什么都不會改變。我的意思是，你肯定在關(guān)注當(dāng)前的戰(zhàn)爭，也許想留下一個微妙的信息，但是......你明白為什么你在這里不會聽到你想要的東西。在一個更喜歡這種言論的地方播你的議程吧，伙計。
OP
Suomi
I have no agenda, I am simply interested in the truth, and the truth is that Finland is by far the most innocent country to have gotten pulled into WW2. It never would have happened without unprovoked Soviet aggression. So I can't just be silent when people start bashing Finland because my flair says Suomi.
芬蘭
我沒有任何目的，我只是對事實感興趣，而事實是，到目前為止，芬蘭是被拉入二戰(zhàn)的最無辜的國家。如果沒有蘇聯(lián)的無端侵略，就不會發(fā)生這種情況。因此，當(dāng)人們開始抨擊芬蘭時，作為芬蘭人我不能保持沉默。
wouldn't have
"Абы да кабы, у меня на носу росли грибы!" - one of our sayings. It means that "would" or "would not" is not relevant to the case. It is a wishful thinking. Like "if not for US, USSR would still stand strong!". Sounds childish.
Finland participated.
It has chosen it's side.
It has commited crimes.
It has provided a lot of the casualties.
Period.
Justifying this is sort of similar to justifying a home owner coming to his neighbour with a gun with a group of bandits raiding his house because he was unjust to him. That is, of course, understandable, but the court would just put him in jail with the rest of the bandits.
"Абы да кабы, у меня на носу росли грибы！"
這是我們的一句俗語。意思是"會"或"不會"與我們要討論的事情無關(guān)。這是一種一廂情愿的想法。就像"如果沒有美國，蘇聯(lián)仍然會很強大！"一樣。聽起來很幼稚。
芬蘭參與了。
它選擇了自己的立場。
它犯了罪。
它造成了大量的傷亡。
句號。
為這個辯解有點類似于為一個帶著槍和一群強盜突襲了他的鄰居的房主辯解，因為他的鄰居之前和他有過矛盾。這當(dāng)然是可以理解的，但法院只會把他和其他的強盜一起關(guān)進監(jiān)獄。
OP
Suomi
Soviets first committed crimes towards us, and then we responded in a manner befitting that. So that makes us even.
芬蘭
蘇聯(lián)人先對我們犯下了罪行，然后我們以與此相稱的方式作出了回應(yīng)。所以我們扯平了。
An innocent country with its own innocent death camps for Russians. So cute
一個無辜的國家，有著無辜的俄羅斯人死亡集中營。樂
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OP
Suomi
They were not death camps. Stop believing NKVD propaganda which has trickled down to the minds of modern Russians.
芬蘭
他們不是死亡集中營。不要再相信內(nèi)務(wù)人民委員會的宣傳了，這些宣傳已經(jīng)滲透到現(xiàn)代俄羅斯人的腦中。
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Imagine if Russians ware nicer to there neighbors, Then Russia might have had there own NATO, instead of being surrounded by NATO.
想象一下，如果俄羅斯人對自己的鄰國好一點，那么俄羅斯可能擁有自己的北約，而不是被北約包圍。
Russia has its own NATO. Besides, NATO expanded when Russia was not a threat and played nice with its neighbors.
俄羅斯有自己的北約。此外，北約在俄羅斯不構(gòu)成威脅并與鄰國友好相處的情況下擴大了規(guī)模。
Totally justified, because we lost them in an unprovoked war of aggression waged by the Soviets.
justified or not, it wasnt "Finland was threatened by Soviets so they didnt have choice" it was "Finland volunturely join nazi in fight against USSR and blokading city causing death of 600 000 civilians." If Finland wanted to sit this one out they were free to do it, but they decided that they are smarter then anyone. I guess something never change.
“這非常合理，因為這是我們在蘇聯(lián)無端發(fā)動的侵略戰(zhàn)爭中丟失的?！?br /> 不管合理與否，這都不是“芬蘭受到蘇聯(lián)人的威脅，所以他們別無選擇”，而是“芬蘭自愿加入納粹攻擊蘇聯(lián)和轟炸城市，導(dǎo)致 60 萬平民死亡”。如果芬蘭當(dāng)時想置身事外，完全可以，但他們可能認為自己比任何人都聰明。我想有些事情永遠不會改變。
OP
Suomi
If Finland wanted to sit this one out they were free to do it
Nope. We wanted to, but then NKVD staged the Shelling of Mainila and Soviet unx used it as a casus belli to invade us. If we get fucked like that without provoking anyone and don't respond, why wouldn't Soviets just chip away the rest of Finland bit by bit? It's common knowledge that you guys don't respect weakness, and if you could attack us once unprovoked, who's to say you won't do it again?
“如果芬蘭當(dāng)時想置身事外，完全可以”
沒有。我們想這樣做，但后來內(nèi)務(wù)人民委員會自導(dǎo)自演了對麥尼拉的炮擊，蘇聯(lián)以此為借口入侵我們。如果我們在沒有激怒任何人的情況下就這樣被人操，而且不做出回應(yīng)，蘇聯(lián)人會不一點一點地蠶食芬蘭其他地區(qū)嗎？眾所周知，你們不尊重弱者，能無緣無故攻擊我們一次，誰能說不會有下一次？
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Moscow City
There is no non-classified documents which says that Shelling of Mainila was staged by USSR. For all I care it’s was Finland attempt to create casus belli. Also, it was finns who constantly shooting at USSR border guards and made several attempts to cross into our territory.
莫斯科市
沒有任何非機密文件說麥尼拉的炮擊是由蘇聯(lián)策劃的。就我而言，這是芬蘭試圖制造宣戰(zhàn)理由。此外，是芬蘭人不斷向蘇聯(lián)邊防軍開槍，并多次試圖進入我國領(lǐng)土。
OP
Suomi
For all I care it’s was Finland attempt to create casus belli
This kind of dishonesty and unwillingness to acknowledge let alone learn from past mistakes is the reason why many countries don't trust Russia. No rational person actually thinks that tiny Finland was frothing at the mouth to go to war with colossal Soviet unx.
“就我而言，這是芬蘭試圖制造宣戰(zhàn)理由?！?br /> 這種不誠實和不肯承認，更不用說從過去的錯誤中吸取教訓(xùn)，是許多國家不信任俄羅斯的原因。沒有一個理性的人會真的認為小小的芬蘭腦子抽了非要制造理由和龐大的蘇聯(lián)開戰(zhàn)。
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Moscow City
Then show concrete proof that it was NKVD provocation. All circumstantial evidence point to Finland.
莫斯科城
那拿出證明這是內(nèi)務(wù)人民委員會挑釁的具體證據(jù)啊。所有的間接證據(jù)都指向芬蘭。
OP
Suomi
All circumstantial evidence point to Finland.
Sounds like a crock of shit. NKVD even carried out and then lied about its involvement in the Katyn massacre, so you having such unfounded faith in their bullshit suggests that you are simply another nationalist ideologue who is not interested in the truth. Ask yourself honestly, who benefited most this shelling? Militarily weak and barely populated Finland, or militarily strong and populous Soviet unx?
“所有間接證據(jù)都指向芬蘭?！?br /> 聽起來像是一派胡言。內(nèi)務(wù)人民委員會后來甚至在實施了卡廷森林大屠殺之后謊稱跟自己沒關(guān)系，所以你毫無根據(jù)卻如此堅定地相信他們的廢話表明你只是另一個對真相不感興趣的民族主義理論家。你捫心自問，這次炮擊事件誰受益最大？是軍事羸弱且人口稀少的芬蘭，還是軍事強大且人口眾多的蘇聯(lián)？
Totally justified, because we lost them in an unprovoked war of aggression waged by the Soviets.
In fact the WWII started before 1939... Stalin attacked Finland in order to push the borders away from St. Petersburg so that artillery shells would not reach the city, because we knew that the war with Hitler was gonna start.
You know that World War I spilled over into World War II.... there was always tension...
And nowadays the history can repeat itself((.. you, guys, go to NATO, you will have weapon that reaches Saint-Petersbourg...
“這非常合理，因為這是我們在蘇聯(lián)無端發(fā)動的侵略戰(zhàn)爭中丟失的?！?br /> 事實上，二戰(zhàn)在1939年之前就開始...斯大林進攻芬蘭是為了把邊界從圣彼得堡推開，這樣炮彈就不會到達該城市，因為我們知道與希特勒的戰(zhàn)爭要開始了。
你知道的，第一次世界大戰(zhàn)蔓延到第二次世界大戰(zhàn)....一直存在著緊張局勢......
而如今，歷史可能會重演（......你們這些家伙，去加入北約，你們會有武器可以到達圣彼得堡......）。
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you put us between a rock and a hard place
Rock - temporarily lend a small part of your land to the country that literally gave you your independence a few decades earlier
Hard place - get in bed with ethnonationalists who will exterminate your entire people at the first convenient moment because you're too proud to cede land for a few years in the interest of literally saving humanity
“你們讓我們進退兩難”
進——暫時把你的一小部分土地借給這個幾十年前讓你獨立的國家
退——選擇和民族主義者沆瀣一氣，他們會在方便的時候第一時間消滅你的所有人
兩難，嗎？——你們過于驕傲，不能為了拯救人類而放棄一點土地幾年
Let's start with the losses among the military. Soviet military doctrine did not provide for defensive tactics at that time. In the case of war, the Soviet forces had to operate on the territory of the alleged enemy. In the case of the Second World War, the lack of training of soldiers and officers, including senior officers, was a huge advantage for the Wehrmacht. This is due to the enormous losses (killed / wounded / prisoners) in personnel during the first months of the war. Also at that moment there was a rearmament of the Red Army. The soldiers were not so trained to interact with new weapons, and the command was not so trained in the tactics of their use. Let's add the lack of well qualified senior officers after the purges in the late 30s and the conservatism of the old generals, as well as the lack of communication (in the Soviet army, not all planes and tanks were equipped with walkie-talkies until the end of the war, in the infantry it was the same).
In the case of the civilian population, the most densely populated areas were captured and finally liberated only by the autumn of 1944. And to deny the war crimes of the Third Reich and their allies on the territory of the USSR is stupid. In fact, there was a GENO.... of the entire Soviet people. People were burned by villages, but cities were demolished by artillery and bombing.
我們先說說軍隊中的損失。當(dāng)時蘇聯(lián)軍事學(xué)說沒有規(guī)定防御戰(zhàn)術(shù)。在戰(zhàn)爭的情況下，蘇軍必須在所謂的敵人的領(lǐng)土上行動。在第二次世界大戰(zhàn)的情況下，士兵和軍官，包括高級軍官缺乏訓(xùn)練，這是德國國防軍的一個巨大優(yōu)勢。這也是戰(zhàn)爭頭幾個月人員的巨大損失（死亡/受傷/被俘）的原因。另外在那個時候，紅軍也在重新武裝。士兵們沒有接受過與新武器互動的訓(xùn)練，而指揮部也沒有接受過使用新武器的戰(zhàn)術(shù)訓(xùn)練。再加上30年代末大清洗后缺乏合格的高級軍官和老將軍們的保守主義，以及缺乏溝通（在蘇軍中，直到戰(zhàn)爭結(jié)束也不是所有的飛機和坦克都配備了對講機，在步兵中也是如此）。
就平民而言，人口最稠密的地區(qū)被占領(lǐng)，到1944年秋天才最終解放。而否認第三帝國及其盟友在蘇聯(lián)境內(nèi)的戰(zhàn)爭罪行是愚蠢的。事實上，存在著對整個蘇聯(lián)人民的種族滅絕。村莊被焚毀，城市被大炮和轟炸摧毀。
Unlike other European countries, for example France, the Soviet people did not bow their heads to the invaders and fought bravely until the last day of the war. In fact, the Red army traveled from the western borders of the USSR to Moscow and Leningrad and Volga River, and then back liberating soviet territories, and then to Berlin, liberating the countries of East Europe. And in the occupied territories, the partisan movement was much more active comparing with the same organisations in Europe
與法國等其他歐洲國家不同，蘇聯(lián)人民沒有向侵略者低頭，勇敢地戰(zhàn)斗到戰(zhàn)爭的最后一天。事實上，紅軍從蘇聯(lián)西部邊界前往莫斯科、列寧格勒和伏爾加河，然后返回解放蘇聯(lián)領(lǐng)土，然后到達柏林，解放東歐國家。而在被占領(lǐng)土上，蘇聯(lián)的游擊隊運動與歐洲的相同組織相比也要活躍得多。
Saint Petersburg
Irrevocable military losses of the USSR amount to 11,444,100 people, of which military personnel died - 8,668,400 people (6,818,300 soldiers died in battles, hospitals and other incidents, and 1,850,100 people did not return from captivity). The irretrievable losses of the Wehrmacht, SS troops and other military units of the Third Reich, operating on the Soviet-German front, amounted to 7,181,100 people.
The high losses of the USSR are due to the policy of GENO.... in the Soviet territories occupied by the Third Reich.
Losses of the civilian population in the occupation zone - 13,684,700 people (of which: 7,420,400 were deliberately exterminated, 2,164,300 died in forced labor in Germany, 4,100,000 died from starvation, illness and lack of medical care.
圣彼得堡
蘇聯(lián)不可挽回的軍事?lián)p失達1144.41萬人，其中軍事人員死亡--866.84萬人（681.83萬士兵在戰(zhàn)斗、醫(yī)院和其他事件中死亡，185.01萬人被俘后沒有返回）。在蘇德前線與第三帝國的國防軍、黨衛(wèi)軍部隊和其他軍事單位作戰(zhàn)的無法挽回的損失達718.11萬人。
蘇聯(lián)的高額損失是由于在第三帝國占領(lǐng)的蘇聯(lián)領(lǐng)土上實行了種族滅絕政策。
占領(lǐng)區(qū)平民的損失 - 13,684,700人。其中7,420,400人被蓄意消滅，2,164,300人在德國被強迫勞動而死亡，4,100,000人死于饑餓、疾病和缺乏醫(yī)療護理。
Because most of Europe went with the spread of Nazism because it pretty much worked and was fine for most of the West, including how USA companies like Ford and Chase bank worked with the Nazis. The Russians were the only ones to really resist en mass. Much like the current situation in Ukraine, it works for most people in the West.
And the only reason that the USA jumped in was when they realized the the Red Army was going to win and they didn't want the USSR claiming most, if not all, of Europe as they liberated it from the Nazis.
因為歐洲大部分地區(qū)都跟著納粹主義的傳播走，因為它對大多數(shù)西方國家來說非常有效并且很好，包括美國的福特和大通銀行等公司都在與納粹合作。俄羅斯人是唯一真正集體抵抗的人。就像目前烏克蘭的情況一樣，它對西方大多數(shù)人都是有好處的。
而美國插手的唯一原因是，他們意識到紅軍將取得勝利，而且他們不希望蘇聯(lián)在從納粹手中解放歐洲時，奪走大部分（如果不是全部）歐洲。
The USSR invaded Poland with the Nazis, held joint parades, gave Nazis critical war material, there was coordination between the Gestapo and the NKVD, and Murmansk was given to Nazi submarines as a base to attack British shipping.
This is not collaboration with Nazis?
蘇聯(lián)與納粹一起入侵波蘭，舉行聯(lián)合閱兵，向納粹提供重要的戰(zhàn)爭物資，蓋世太保和內(nèi)務(wù)人民委員部之間互相協(xié)調(diào)，摩爾曼斯克被提供給納粹潛艇作為攻擊英國船只的基地。
這不是勾結(jié)納粹？
How does liberating and claiming for yourself go together? I though if you liberate somebody, you return their freedom. If you liberate and claim, isn’t it is just another occupation?
解放和宣稱解放了就是自己的是如何結(jié)合在一起的？我以為解放是如果你解放了某人，你就歸還了他們的自由。如果你解放了又聲稱屬于你，那不就是另一種占領(lǐng)嗎？
Russia
The liberator has the right to determine the degree of freedom himself. Only an idiot would be so naive as to simply give away what hundreds of thousands and millions of lives have been paid for.
俄羅斯
解放者有權(quán)自行決定自由的程度。只有白癡才會天真到說出別人付出成千上萬生命的代價就為了給你自由。
So what is the difference between occupant and liberator in this case?
那么在這種情況下，占領(lǐng)者和解放者之間有什么區(qū)別呢？
Default City
Under com...sts you are red. Under nazis you are dead. That's the difference.
在黨領(lǐng)導(dǎo)下，你是紅色的。在納粹統(tǒng)治下，你是死人。這就是區(qū)別。
the state policy of GENO.... of the peoples of the USSR by the Euro-Nazis.
The mass targeted killing of Soviet prisoners of war has the same reason.
The Soviet troops, knowing about the GENO.... taking place in the occupied territories, suffered heavy losses in sometimes completely unprepared offensive operations to save civilians.
歐洲納粹對蘇聯(lián)人民的種族滅絕的國家政策。
對蘇聯(lián)戰(zhàn)俘的大規(guī)模定點清除也是一個原因。
蘇聯(lián)軍隊知道在被占領(lǐng)土上發(fā)生的種族滅絕，為了拯救平民，在有時完全沒有準(zhǔn)備的進攻行動中損失慘重。
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