為什么拜登政府要向烏克蘭發(fā)送數(shù)十億美元？我們?yōu)槭裁匆@么挺烏克蘭？為了烏克蘭不管俄亥俄這真的值得嗎？
Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
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無論烏克蘭是否發(fā)生戰(zhàn)爭，俄亥俄州都不會得到援助
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Why is the Biden administration sending billions to Ukraine? What is our allegiance to Ukraine? Is Ukraine really worth it, even in spite of Ohio?
為什么拜登政府要向烏克蘭發(fā)送數(shù)十億美元？我們?yōu)槭裁匆@么挺烏克蘭？為了烏克蘭不管俄亥俄這真的值得嗎？
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Ohio wouldn’t get aid regardless if there was a war in Ukraine or not
無論烏克蘭是否發(fā)生戰(zhàn)爭，俄亥俄州都不會得到援助
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Remember Flint?
還記得弗林特嗎？
Yeah there’s still a conspiracy there. Companies destroy water ways with dumping chemicals into them because it’s more profitable then disposing of it safely. For years this went on. Then on the civil level instead of shelling out the money to pay for new pipe to Lake Michigan they decide to use their old corroded pipes to get water from the flint river. Ground heavily contaminated and water heavily contaminated form years of chemical run off. Water further corroded pipes and the people of flint get contaminated mud from their sinks.
Conspiracy is why do cooperate profits and municipalities savings trump civilian health and well being. Billions of dollars wasted on federal agencies at many different levels to make sure corporation greed for profits doesn’t effect the free people of USA but none of it matters.
是的，那里仍然存在陰謀論。公司通過向其中傾倒化學(xué)品來破壞水道，因為這比安全處理更有利可圖。多年來，這種情況一直持續(xù)著。然后在民用層面，他們決定使用舊的腐蝕管道從弗林特河取水，而不是花錢購買通往密歇根湖的新管道。多年的化學(xué)物質(zhì)流入失使地面和水受到嚴重污染。水進一步腐蝕了管道，弗林特人從水龍頭中得到的是受污染的泥漿。
陰謀論是為什么公司利潤和市政儲蓄勝過平民健康和福祉。數(shù)十億美元浪費在許多不同級別的聯(lián)邦機構(gòu)上，以確保公司對利潤的貪婪不會影響美國的自由人民，結(jié)果這一切都是枉然。
corporation greed for profits
The problem is not a corporation's profits, corporations are supposed to profit. It is the government allowing corporations to dictate policy and actions and politicians and government bureaucrats that receive financial incentives to do so. It must stop at the government level.
“貪圖利益的企業(yè)”
問題不在于公司的利潤，公司應(yīng)該盈利。正是政府允許企業(yè)決定政策和行動，而政治家和政府官僚獲得了經(jīng)濟激勵來這樣做。政府本應(yīng)果斷制止這種情況的發(fā)生。
I agree with you the government both federal and locally could easily fix this problem. But they won’t because the more the companies profit the bigger their illegal paychecks or stock options become. So to say corporate greed for excessive profits isn’t to blame is horribly wrong because it is the fuel for the entire fire.
All these corporations could handle, transport, and dispose of chemical’s safely and still make loads of money but that would cut into excessive profits. So we allow “minimum” amounts of chemicals into water ways and the air. And let trains full of the shit through densely populated areas because it’s the cheaper option. And that means more money to the corrupt system and their own banks.
我同意你的看法，聯(lián)邦和地方政府可以輕松解決這個問題。但他們不會這樣做，因為公司獲利越多，他們的非法薪水或股票期權(quán)就越大。因此，說不應(yīng)該責(zé)怪企業(yè)對超額利潤的貪婪是非常錯誤的，因為它是整場大火的燃料。
所有這些公司都可以安全地處理、運輸和處置化學(xué)品，并且仍然可以賺到很多錢，但這會削減超額利潤。因此，我們開始允許“最小”量的化學(xué)物質(zhì)進入水道和空氣。讓裝滿垃圾的火車穿過人口稠密的地區(qū)，因為這是更便宜的選擇。這意味著腐敗的體制和他們自己的銀行賺更多的錢。
You get what you vote for.
你得到了你投票的結(jié)果。
You think your government cares about you? Both side of the government poison their people.
你認為你的政府關(guān)心你嗎？兩黨都在毒害他們的人民。
"Without Ukraine, the global order may not survive"
I'm okay with the "global order" aka NWO not surviving.
“沒有烏克蘭，全球秩序可能無法維系”
我同意“全球秩序”又名新全球秩序不再維系下去。
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I think in this case the “global order” is USA hegemony..
我認為在這種語境下，“全球秩序”指的是美國霸權(quán)……
It’s less about Ukraine than it is about Russia and Putin.
與其說是烏克蘭，不如說是俄羅斯和普京。
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Also, the ponzi scheme that is the USD as perpetrated by the Fed demands new military conquests periodically in order to provide new collateral to float more debt so that the old debt can be paid off.
The Fed was designed precisely for the purpose of always requiring new collateral, so that we'd be motivated to fight these wars.
ADL was created at the same time as the Fed. Israel's purpose is to tell us which wars to fight.
It really is that simple. Don't really know anything about Rothschild. Really don't need to. Start with Warburg, and move forward from there.
美聯(lián)儲實施的美元龐氏騙局要求定期進行新的軍事征服，以提供新的抵押品來撬動更多的債券，從而可以償還舊債。
美聯(lián)儲的設(shè)計正是因為始終需要新的抵押品，這樣我們就有動力去打這些戰(zhàn)爭。
ADL與美聯(lián)儲是同時創(chuàng)建的。以色列存在的目的是告訴我們要打哪場戰(zhàn)爭。
真的就是這么簡單。我對羅斯柴爾德沒有什么了解。真的不需要。搜搜Warburg，并從那里順藤摸瓜。
To know today you have to first know yesterday...What this conflict is really about is the American-led democratic hegemony that has spread over eastern Europe since the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet unx and whether that's going to remain intact, or whether, because Russia obxts to it, Russia can use force to rollback that infrastructure.
Putin is trying to regain territory lost at the end of the Cold War in an attempt to make Russia stronger and the West less dominant in the region. Ukraine wants to become a part of NATO, which would give it NATO backing and protection. That would make Ukraine untouchable by Putin unless he wanted to start a full-blown war with the United States and its allies.
Putin's long-term goal is to alter the composition of the government in Kyiv so they reorient their foreign policy away from the EU and NATO, and back towards Russia.
要了解今天，你必須先了解昨天......這場沖突真正涉及的是自冷戰(zhàn)結(jié)束和蘇聯(lián)解體以來蔓延到東歐的美國主導(dǎo)的民主霸權(quán)，以及這種霸權(quán)是否會保持不變，或者由于俄羅斯反對，俄羅斯是否可以使用武力來回擊這種蔓延。
普京正試圖收復(fù)冷戰(zhàn)結(jié)束時失去的領(lǐng)土，以期讓俄羅斯變得更強大，并削弱西方在該地區(qū)的主導(dǎo)地位。烏克蘭希望成為北約的一部分，這將使它得到北約的支持和保護。同時使普京無法觸及烏克蘭，除非他想與美國及其盟國發(fā)動一場全面的戰(zhàn)爭。
普京的長期目標是改變基輔政府的組成，以便他們重新調(diào)整外交政策，使其遠離歐盟和北約，并回到俄羅斯。
Right the 2014 coup? We taking any responsibility for that? How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes? What about the 8-year shelling of the Don Bass? I know this for a fact if Russia set up a missile defense system in let's say Toronto or Mexico City we would take that as an Act of War and it would be on. So I think ousting the Russian friendly government and installing Ultra nationalist Nazis then proceeding to ignore the fact that NATO should have been dissolved when Russian fell apart in the 90s instead of continuing to absorb Eastern European countries is knowing what the history is. The people in the Don Bass don't want any part of Ukraine and that makes perfect sense to me. Just like Crimea does. I think Putin and Russia are doing exactly what we would do the same situation and it's ignorant to think otherwise. I think the Western media is crucifying the man and Americans are ignorant about it why because we're collectively stupid. Don't be bothered about looking into what goes on and why it goes on they just take whatever CNN shoves down their throats anr trust the freaking US government
對 2014 年的政變我們有承擔任何責(zé)任嗎？76% 的烏克蘭人在家里說俄語，這一事實你又怎么看？對頓巴斯8 年的炮擊呢？我知道的一個事實是，如果俄羅斯在比如說多倫多或墨西哥城建立導(dǎo)彈防御系統(tǒng)，我們會將其視為戰(zhàn)爭行為，并且會開戰(zhàn)。因此，我認為推翻親俄羅斯政府并安插極端民族主義納粹分子，然后繼續(xù)無視北約本應(yīng)在俄羅斯在 90 年代解體時解散，而不是繼續(xù)吸收東歐國家的事實，這是需要了解的歷史原因。頓巴斯的人不想成為烏克蘭的任何部分，這對我來說非常有道理。就像克里米亞一樣。我認為普京和俄羅斯正在做的是我們在相同情況下也會做的事情，不這么想是愚蠢的。我認為西方媒體正在把這個人釘在十字架上，而美國人對此一無所知，因為我們都是愚蠢的。不要費心去調(diào)查發(fā)生了什么以及為什么會發(fā)生，他們只會接受 CNN 塞進他們喉嚨里的任何東西并且相信該死的美國政府。
This comment is Russian imperialism justification bingo.
這條評論是為俄羅斯帝國主義辯護的賓果游戲。
What part is wrong?
哪一部分是錯誤的？
Only most of it. Ultranationalist Nazis in power, the "evil Ukraine shelling the civilians" and totally not the on holiday Russian soldiers sent to infiltrate and stir a "civil" war like they did in Crimea. Of course there they fucked up and made it obvious by shooting down an airliner.
It's all straight up Kremlin talking points.
大部分。“極端民族主義的納粹掌權(quán)”，“邪惡的烏克蘭炮擊平民”，裝作烏克蘭炮擊的好像不是來頓巴斯“度假”順便搞搞滲透和挑起“內(nèi)戰(zhàn)”的俄羅斯士兵。他們想把用在克里米亞那套再來一遍，當然，這次他們搞砸了，并通過擊落了一架客機使這一結(jié)論顯而易見。
這些都是克里姆林宮的宣傳要點。
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Russia has never given any evidence, through word or action, towards anything resembling imperialism, especially when compared to the U.S. and NATO.
俄羅斯從未通過言語或行動提供任何類似帝國主義的證據(jù)，尤其是與美國和北約相比時。
The definition of imperialism is: "a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force." Invading a country and attempting to annex territory and take over the government is the epitome of imperialism. Just because western countries have done imperialistic things does not mean Russia can't too. Not to mention in many ways this war is a continuation of centuries of Russian imperialism which began with the Russian empire. Do you really believe Russia became the biggest country on earth without imperialism?
帝國主義的定義是：“通過外交或軍事力量擴大國家實力和影響力”。侵略一個國家，企圖吞并領(lǐng)土，奪取政權(quán)，這是帝國主義的縮影。僅僅因為西方國家做了帝國主義的事情，并不意味著俄羅斯就不能。更不用說這場戰(zhàn)爭在很多方面都是從俄羅斯帝國開始的幾個世紀的俄羅斯帝國主義的延續(xù)。你真的相信俄羅斯在沒有帝國主義的情況下成為地球上最大的國家嗎？
Since the end of the U.S.S.R., what I wrote was true. They have been continuously put in reactive stances against the West's attempts to extend its power and influence, by various means, but with ever diminishing diplomacy.
自蘇聯(lián)解體以來，我寫的都是真實的情況。他們不斷地對西方試圖通過各種方式擴大其權(quán)力和影響力的企圖做出反應(yīng)，只是外交手段卻越來越少。
So seperatists in ukraine good
But seperatists in the former soviet unx bad?
所以烏克蘭的分離主義者是很好的
但前蘇聯(lián)的分裂分子就是不好的？
This exact mentality that Russia has some "right" over Eastern Europe is an imperialistic one. The countries of Eastern Europe, whether they be the Baltics, Moldova, Georgia, or Ukraine, have been independent countries since the end of the Soviet unx. They all voted overwhelmingly in favour of it (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/). These countries have the right to apply to join NATO or the EU and that does not give Russia any right to invade.
這種認為俄羅斯對東歐擁有某種“權(quán)利”的心態(tài)正是一種帝國主義心態(tài)。東歐國家，無論是波羅的海國家、摩爾多瓦、格魯吉亞還是烏克蘭，自蘇聯(lián)解體以來都是獨立國家。他們都以壓倒性多數(shù)投票贊成 ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/1292544/ussr-independence-referendums/ )。
這些國家有權(quán)申請加入北約或歐盟，但這并不能賦予俄羅斯任何入侵的權(quán)利。
I’ve looked into it extensively and there is so much certifiably wrong with what you’ve claimed.
The most amusing part for me is even if it were all true, none of it changes the fact that Putin is a Fascists dictator invading a sovereign nation that held a free and fair election in 2019 causing hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. None of it gives the US any reason to not send lethal aid to capitalize on Russia’s misstep.
我已經(jīng)對這件事進行了廣泛的調(diào)查，你所聲稱的有很多可以證明的錯誤。
對我來說最有趣的部分是，即使這一切都是真的，也沒有改變普京是法西斯獨裁者的事實，他入侵了一個主權(quán)國家--該國家在 2019 年舉行了自由公正的選舉--每年造成數(shù)十萬人死亡。這些都沒有給美國任何理由不給烏克蘭提供致命援助以利用俄羅斯的失誤。
You claim "you've looked into it" and so much is certifiably wrong. Care to point out what I stated that is wrong?
The fact that this country is falling into ruin and Inflation is rampant is enough not to send AID when we need AID at home.
你聲稱"你已經(jīng)調(diào)查過了"，有很多東西是可以證明是錯誤的。你能指出我說的哪些地方是錯的嗎？
這個國家正在走向毀滅，通貨膨脹猖獗，這足以讓我們在國內(nèi)需要援助的時候不給烏克蘭發(fā)送援助。
2014 has nothing to do with 2019 or 2022.
Ukrainians whether they speak Russian or not are clearly showing they do not want to be part of Russia.
The 8-years of shelling was largely in the wale of 2014 because the Russian military moved in ousted the Ukrainian officials and started arming and training separatists.
America is not falling apart
Inflation is a global issue
We have more then enough means to aid Ukraine and Ohio is that shit bag Republican governor would stop playing politics.
Happy?
2014年的事情與2019年或2022年毫無關(guān)系。
烏克蘭人無論是否講俄語，都清楚地表明他們不希望成為俄羅斯的一部分。
8年的炮擊主要發(fā)生在2014年，因為俄羅斯軍隊進駐后趕走了烏克蘭官員，并開始武裝和訓(xùn)練分離分子。
美國沒有分崩離析
通貨膨脹是一個全球性問題
我們有足夠的手段來援助烏克蘭，俄亥俄州是那個傻逼共和黨州長在玩弄政治。
滿意了嗎？
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2014 has everything to do with it. That is when the 2010 democratically elected Russian-friendly president was ousted by ultra-nationalists backed by western NGO's, John McCain (and other important western politicians) and IC actors. You can actually trace our meddling in Ukraine back to the 50's and 60's replete with proof from released classified U.S. documents. Your statement is ignorant.
Tell the people in the Donbas about their desire to be a part of Russia.....oh wait....they already voted on it and said they wanted to join them. Kinda makes sense since they were previously a Russian State. Shocking as it may seem Russian-speaking descendants of Russia who do business with Russia and interact with them daily may want to be part of Russia as opposed to the western-installed fascist government that shelled (civilians) them for 8 years after the coup. Crazy right?
2014 年的事情與此息息相關(guān)。那是在 2010 年民主選舉的對俄羅斯友好的總統(tǒng)被西方非政府組織約翰麥凱恩（和其他重要的西方政治家）支持的極端民族主義者罷免的時候。你實際上可以追溯到 50 年代和 60 年代我們對烏克蘭的干涉，這些證據(jù)來自美國公開的機密文件。你的說法是無知的。
你去跟頓巴斯的人說你們其實不想加入俄羅斯...哦等等，他們已經(jīng)進行了投票并表示他們想加入。這其實說得通，因為他們以前同屬一個俄羅斯國家。與俄羅斯做生意并每天與他們交往的俄羅斯后裔可能希望成為俄羅斯的一部分，而不是西方控制的在政變后炮擊他們（平民）8年的法西斯政府的一部分，真是讓人震驚啊。很瘋狂對不對？
An issue that is and was driven by the global reserve currency of USD. It was plain as day when the FED started monetizing debt. Just because it is happening to the world doesn't mean it wasn't caused by the U.S. or wasn't started here.
No we don't. That is the an insane statement coming from a country 31 plus trillion dollars in debt.
No. Still looking for a true rebuttal.
美國沒有分崩離析？甚至不知道從哪里開始吐槽這個完全瘋狂的聲明。玫瑰色的，象牙塔式的——隨便你怎么說，但顯然你沒有注意或不住在這里。
這是一個由全球儲備貨幣美元驅(qū)動的問題。當聯(lián)邦儲備委員會開始將債務(wù)貨幣化時，這就很明顯了。僅僅因為它發(fā)生在世界上并不意味著它不是由美國造成的或不是從這里開始的。
不，我們沒有。這是來自一個擁有 31 萬億美元債務(wù)的國家的瘋狂聲明。
不，等一個真正的反駁。
How about the fact that 76% of ukrainians speak Russian in their homes?
A larger percentage of Americans speak English in their homes. Does that give the UK casus belli to invade?
“76% 的烏克蘭人在家里說俄語”
更大比例的美國人在家里說英語。這是否給了英國入侵的宣戰(zhàn)理由？
If you told a republican in 1980 that a future us president rallied the entire west against an aggressive Russia and exposed them without even committing a single us troop, and at the cost of just a small percentage of our military budget, they would tell you that guy is the second coming of Reagan.
If it were trump doing this, his cultists would be cheering of what a great and powerful leader he is how he could embarrass Russia while still keeping america out of war.
But because it's Biden, all of a sudden it's terrible that we aren't just letting an aggressive country take whatever land they want from weaker neighbors.
如果你在 1980 年告訴一位共和黨人，在未來一位美國總統(tǒng)召集了整個西方反對侵略性的俄羅斯，并在沒有派遣一支美國軍隊的情況下榨干了他們，而且只花費了我們軍事預(yù)算的一小部分，他們會告訴你這家伙是里根二代。
如果是特朗普這樣做，他的追隨者會為他是一位多么偉大和強大的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人而歡呼，他可以讓俄羅斯難堪，同時還能讓美國不打仗。
但因為是拜登，突然之間，我們就變成了不是在阻止一個侵略性的國家從較弱的鄰國手中奪取他們想要的土地，這太可怕了。
Not to mention that Russia hacked the GOP and DNC leading up to the 2016 elections, a literal attack on the U.S., but the GOP don't mind since only the left was harmed as a result.
更不用說俄羅斯在 2016 年大選前攻擊了共和黨和民主黨全國委員會，這是對美國的字面攻擊，但共和黨并不介意，因為只有左派因此受到傷害。
You're getting downvoted, but you're right. There's a reason only the DNC emails were leaked and that's because Putin hates Hillary and wanted Trump in office instead. Hillary and Putin had an open rivalry leading up to the election.
你被點踩了，但你說的是對的。只有 DNC（注：2016年美國民主黨全國委員會郵件泄密事件）的電子郵件被泄露是有原因的，那是因為普京討厭希拉里，希望特朗普上任。希拉里和普京在大選前已經(jīng)公開敵對。
They wanted the more divisive president in office, and they got their wish
他們想要一個更加制造分裂的總統(tǒng)，他們?nèi)缭敢詢?/b>
Wonder what was said during the discussion that trump had with putin during his visit to finland which there are no transcxts or records of
想知道特朗普在訪問芬蘭期間與普京的討論中說了什么，沒有任何文字記錄或記載
Was there definitive proof that it was Russia or was that just the narrative?
是否有確鑿的證據(jù)表明這是俄羅斯干的，或者這只是一種敘事？
Russia hacked the GOP and DNC
LM ... all elections in US have been hacked, someone might say stolen, since after Nov 1963. No different in 2016 or 2020, or before. The government is not being elected, they're sexted. Until the people wake up and realize this, might as well go stock up on popcorn and watch the stupid show.
笑......自1963年11月以后，美國的所有選舉都被黑了，有人會說是被偷了。在2016年或2020年，或之前，沒有什么不同。政府不是被選舉出來的，而是被欽定的。在人們覺醒并認識到這一點之前，不妨去囤積爆米花，觀看這場愚蠢的表演。
We spent 5% of our military budget to reduce Russian forces by 50%. That’s a massive ROI and didn’t cost a single American life.
我們花費了 5% 的軍事預(yù)算來減少了50%的俄羅斯軍隊。這是一個巨大的投資回報率，而且沒有讓一個美國人喪生。
ROI eh? Typical American terrorist mentality. You use Ukraine as a battering ram for your greed purpose, innocent Ukrainians dead, you finance Nazi, ISIS, in Ukraine, all while shamelessly lecturing the world about human rights...
You and your country are scums of the earth.
There were Americans turned into soil fertilizer there. You guys should send more.
投資回報率是嗎？典型的美國恐怖主義心態(tài)。你利用烏克蘭作為你的貪婪目的的攻城錘，無辜的烏克蘭人在死去，你在烏克蘭資助納粹，資助伊斯蘭國，同時無恥地向世界宣講人權(quán)......
你和你的國家都是地球上的敗類。
在那里有美國人變成了土壤肥料。你們應(yīng)該發(fā)送更多過來。
+1 Social Credit
+1 社會信用
Yes we’re terrorizing poor defenseless Putin who’s never done anything wrong.
是的，我們正在恐嚇可憐的手無寸鐵的普京，他從來沒有做錯任何事。
To be fair most of us reasonable people are anti-war. Short of a revolution, we have zero control over what our government does.
公平地說，我們大多數(shù)理性的人都是反戰(zhàn)的。但除非發(fā)生革命，否則我們對政府行為的控制為零。
Lol except of course the American mercenaries and special ops. Not to mention strangely all these ? Ukrainian soliders ? have American and UK accents and speak English. How can you even lie like that?
呵呵，當然除了美國雇傭兵和特種部隊。更不用說奇怪的是，所有這些“烏克蘭士兵”都有美國和英國口音并說英語。你怎么能這樣撒謊呢？
Lol stop sniffing Russian propaganda.
呵呵，停止吸收俄羅斯的宣傳。
LM and the guys in the Russian uniforms using Russian military equipment are totally Ukrainians looking to join Russia and not just debadged Russian soldiers.
Stop lying ffs.
呵呵，那些穿著俄羅斯制服、使用俄羅斯軍事裝備的人完全是希望加入俄羅斯的烏克蘭人，而不僅僅是隱藏身份的俄羅斯士兵呢。
別說謊了。
Ukraine is totally worth it.
對烏克蘭的援助是完全值得的。
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Government dont fight for Ukraine, they want to see Putin fall
政府不為烏克蘭而戰(zhàn)，他們希望看到普京垮臺
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If Russian is allowed to go unchecked in Ukraine then it's stands to reason they will eventually try to get back the entirety of the soviet unx. Pretty cut and dry. Thank Trump and congress for the train disaster.
如果允許俄羅斯在烏克蘭不受控制，那么他們最終會試圖奪回整個蘇維埃聯(lián)盟。相當肯定。感謝特朗普和國會帶來的火車災(zāi)難。
completely agree. putin wants to reinstate russia as a superpower. first place to begin is to take over the countries that were freed when the ussr collapsed. unfortunately for putin, those countries are fiercely patriotic and very determined to keep their independence.
完全同意。普京想恢復(fù)俄羅斯的超級大國地位。首先是接管蘇聯(lián)解體時獲得自由的國家。對于普京來說不幸的是，這些國家都非常愛國，而且下定決心要保持獨立。
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To bring down Russia, to win the economy battle, Americans started this war, America is the one using Ukraine that’s why they’re pouring billions into a non NATO country. America is full or propaganda and lies
為了打倒俄羅斯，為了贏得經(jīng)濟戰(zhàn)，美國人發(fā)動了這場戰(zhàn)爭，美國在利用烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭，這就是為什么他們向一個非北約國家投入數(shù)十億美元。美國充滿了宣傳和謊言。
America forced Putin to invade?
Wow, Putin is a lot weaker than we thought.
所以是美國強迫普京入侵？
哇，普京比我們想象的要弱得多。
This didn’t start with the Russian invasion. Are you familiar with the CIA coup in 2014? Have you seen how Ukraine has treated ethnic Russians in Donbas?
The people telling you thet this is all Russian aggression are the same people that told us the vaccines are “safe and effective”. The same people that tell us we have a climate emergency , while they buy beachfront properties. The same people that tell us ukraines borders must be respected have left our southern border wide open for whoever wants to invite themselves in. The same people that say white supremacy is our biggest threat.
I could go on and on. Surely you see there is a pattern ?
這并不是從俄羅斯的入侵開始的。你熟悉2014年中情局的政變嗎？你看到烏克蘭是如何對待頓巴斯的俄羅斯族人的嗎？
那些告訴你這都是俄羅斯侵略的人，和告訴我們疫苗"安全有效"的是一撥人。和那些告訴我們我們氣候情況緊急，卻在購買海濱房產(chǎn)的是一撥人。和那些告訴我們必須尊重烏克蘭邊界的人，卻讓我們的南部邊界大開，讓任何人隨便進入的是一撥人。和那些說白人至上主義是我們最大威脅的人是一撥人。
我可以繼續(xù)說下去。你肯定看到有蹊蹺了吧？
This is the only reply that makes sense and its downvoted the most. why is the conspiracy thread full of pro-war, pro-msm leftist now? I even saw a comment saying that people who DONT believe in the mainstream news are sheep. realy 1984 shit. wtf is going on here?
這是唯一有道理的回復(fù)，也是被點踩最多的回復(fù)。為什么現(xiàn)在充滿了支持戰(zhàn)爭、支持主流媒體的左派陰謀論？我甚至看到有評論說不相信主流新聞的人都是羊。真他媽的1984成真了。 這他媽到底是怎么回事？
They are propagandists. They believe MSM and government would not lie, or if they did, they’re too smart to be fooled. You are exactly right. - 1984 stuff. Doubtful they’ve read it.
他們是宣傳員。他們相信主流媒體和政府不會說謊，或者即使說了謊，他們也覺得自己非常聰明，不會被愚弄。你說的完全正確。 這就是1984 。我懷疑他們是否讀過它。