英美合并會(huì)是什么樣子?（三）
What would a UK-US merger look like?
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網(wǎng)友：看起來是這樣的：英國脫歐，然后是蘇格蘭繼承政權(quán)主體。經(jīng)濟(jì)衰退和民族主義蕭條將把英格蘭和威爾士推向美國。威爾士將是一個(gè)州，英格蘭將是四個(gè)州，每個(gè)州的人口與俄亥俄州相當(dāng)。英國人大規(guī)模移民美國，新增10名新參議員。君主政體嘛，當(dāng)然是被廢除了。
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What would a UK-US merger look like?
英美合并會(huì)是什么樣子?
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It would look like this: Brexit, then Scottish succession. Recession and nationalistic depression would drive England and Wales to US. Wales would be 1 state and England would be four states, each with a population comparable to Ohio. Massive migration of Englishmen to US. 10 new senators. Monarchy - of course - abolished.
看起來是這樣的：英國脫歐，然后是蘇格蘭繼承政權(quán)主體。經(jīng)濟(jì)衰退和民族主義蕭條將把英格蘭和威爾士推向美國。威爾士將是一個(gè)州，英格蘭將是四個(gè)州，每個(gè)州的人口與俄亥俄州相當(dāng)。英國人大規(guī)模移民美國，新增10名新參議員。君主政體嘛，當(dāng)然是被廢除了。
If it were decided that it would happen, how would Canada and the USA merge?
Briefly, it won't ever happen but the only way your scenario could happen would be 1) Quebec secedes and is independent 2) Newfoundland rejoins Great Britain
如果決定這樣做，加拿大和美國將如何合并？
簡(jiǎn)言之，這永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)發(fā)生，但你談到的場(chǎng)景發(fā)生的唯一可能：
1、魁北克脫離并獨(dú)立；
2、紐芬蘭重新加入英國；
If it were decided that it would happen, how would Canada and the USA merge?
The Canadian citizens and provinces would be given all the rights of the US citizens and States , respectively. US citizens and states would would be given all the rights of the citizens and provinces of Canada. The Canadian parliament and US congress would have to merge and be assigned new location - Maybe somewhere in the west or on the great lakes. There would have to be a new election for president. The supreme court/judiciary would have to merge. A new constitution would have to be written for the combined nation, All laws would have to be rewritten for the new constitution.
如果決定這樣做，加拿大和美國將如何合并？
加拿大公民和各省將分別享有美國公民和各州的所有權(quán)利。美國公民和各州將被賦予加拿大公民和各省的所有權(quán)利。加拿大議會(huì)和美國國會(huì)將不得不合并，并被分配到新的地點(diǎn)——也許在西部或五大湖的某個(gè)地方。必須重新選舉總統(tǒng)。最高法院/司法機(jī)構(gòu)將不得不合并。必須為合并后的國家起草一部新憲法，所有法律都必須為新憲法重寫。
Hypothetical scenario: Brexit causes the “special relationship” between the U.K. and US to lead to a new unx of the two. What events could trigger such an event?
None.
There is no way on earth the British would agree to being involved in such a pathetic system as the USA has unless they adopted all British laws, and I doubt the corporations who currently own the US government would accept that.
We would want a full universal health care system as a start, vastly improved environment laws, animal welfare standards, food safety standards, gun law changes etc. Big changes to the welfare system. Stricter laws on landlords.
We would want the electoral system changed so money could not buy a political post as it does now. Strict limits on political advertising, the election period reduced to 8 weeks to make that limit possible and make it easier for new parties to break into the current duopoly.
Police would have to be trained much better and made transparent to public scrutiny. Qualified immunity would be dropped. All police staff would be on a national database where complaints or convictions could be seen by anyone.
Hypothetical or not, it is impossible.
假設(shè)情景：英國脫歐導(dǎo)致英國和美國之間的“特殊關(guān)系”——兩國形成新的聯(lián)盟。什么事件會(huì)引發(fā)這樣的事件？
沒有一個(gè)
英國人不可能同意卷入像美國這樣可悲的體系，除非他們采用所有的英國法律，我懷疑目前擁有美國政府的公司是否會(huì)接受這一點(diǎn)。
我們想要一個(gè)全面的全民醫(yī)療保健系統(tǒng)作為開始，大大改善環(huán)境法，動(dòng)物福利標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，食品安全標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，槍支法律的變化等、福利制度發(fā)生重大變化、針對(duì)房東出臺(tái)更嚴(yán)厲的法律。
我們希望改變選舉制度，這樣金錢就不能像現(xiàn)在這樣買到一個(gè)政治職位。嚴(yán)格限制政治廣告，選舉期縮短至8周，以使這一限制成為可能，并使新政黨更容易打破目前的雙頭壟斷。
警察必須接受更好的培訓(xùn)，并在公眾監(jiān)督下保持透明。有條件豁免將被取消。所有警察人員都將在一個(gè)國家數(shù)據(jù)庫中，任何人都可以看到他們的投訴或定罪。
不管是不是假設(shè)，這都是不可能的。
If the US and UK agreed to merge, what would happen to the monarchy?
Hereditary titles of authority are specifically unconstitutional in the US.
No more Her Majesty's Ship, House of Lords, or Royal Marines.
The family might maintain its titles in a non-official capacity, but would not retain any official government standing.
In case you are wondering why the Brits would be forced to change and not the Americans, it's a question of size.
The US is much, much larger than Britain by both population and landmass. Many Americans are also not descended from English ancestors or have ancestors who were outright antagonistic towards Britain at the the time of their arrival in America.
While this past may not now cause feelings of animosity, neither does it engender much enthusiasm for the British crown.
如果美國和英國同意合并，君主制會(huì)發(fā)生什么？
在美國，世襲的權(quán)威頭銜是特別違憲的。
不再是女王陛下的艦船、上議院或皇家海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)。
世襲家族可能以非官方身份保留其頭銜，但不會(huì)保留任何官方政府地位。
如果你想知道為什么英國人會(huì)被迫改變，而不是美國人，這是一個(gè)規(guī)模問題。
美國的人口和土地面積都比英國大得多。許多美國人也不是英國祖先的后裔，或者他們的祖先在他們到達(dá)美國時(shí)與英國還是完全敵對(duì)的。
雖然這段過去現(xiàn)在可能不會(huì)引起仇恨，但也不會(huì)讓人們對(duì)英國王室產(chǎn)生太多熱情
If the US and UK agreed to merge, what would happen to the monarchy?
There’s going to be a helluva lot of sticking points in that kind of unx or merger.
For starters, the biggest sticking point is the constitution — one’s codified and the other isn’t. What’s more, the U.S. Constitution boils down to how things should be done, whereas the British one boils down to how things have always been acceptably done. If anyone can get those two constitutions meet halfway, I’ll hand by my law degree and licence, and lick the feet of that person. Not gonna happen with the constitutional mismatch.
But the real awkward mess is how the USA will ‘dictate’ its own terms to the UK in such a merger — and the British will just go ballistic at this, just like the American will too if the reverse situation happened. The American and the British are fighters at heart more than anything else, and just don’t like to be told “do it or else.”
As to the Royal Family, I don’t think they will ultimately feel one way or another. Apart from the inevitable sadness (probably not lasting too long, I think) of seeing the loss of monarchy, the royals are out-and-out pragmatists. Facing the prospect of a unx with any country (not just the USA), the royals are going to realistic and hard-headed enough to accept that they’ll be out of the picture in some way. Loss of power and loss of monarchy are occupational hazards with royal families anywhere.
如果美國和英國同意合并，君主制會(huì)發(fā)生什么？
在這種聯(lián)合或合并中會(huì)有很多棘手的問題。
首先，最大的癥結(jié)是憲法——一個(gè)是成文的，另一個(gè)不是。更重要的是，美國憲法歸結(jié)為事情應(yīng)該如何做，而英國憲法則歸結(jié)為事情總是如何被接受。如果有人能讓這兩份憲法折中，我就把我的法律學(xué)位和執(zhí)照交給那個(gè)人，然后給他舔腳。憲法不匹配導(dǎo)致這根本不會(huì)發(fā)生。
但真正尷尬的是，在這樣的合并中，美國將如何向英國“強(qiáng)加”自己的條款——英國人會(huì)對(duì)此大發(fā)雷霆，就像如果發(fā)生相反的情況，美國也會(huì)對(duì)此大發(fā)雷霆。美國人和英國人本質(zhì)上都是戰(zhàn)士，完全不喜歡別人告訴他們“要么這樣，要么這樣”。
至于王室，我不認(rèn)為他們最終會(huì)有這樣或那樣的感覺。除了看到君主制的喪失不可避免的悲傷(我認(rèn)為可能不會(huì)持續(xù)太久)，王室成員是徹頭徹尾的實(shí)用主義者。面對(duì)與任何國家(不僅僅是美國)聯(lián)合的前景，王室成員將會(huì)現(xiàn)實(shí)而冷靜地接受他們將以某種方式退出的事實(shí)。在任何地方，失去權(quán)力和君主制對(duì)任何地方的王室來說都是職業(yè)危害。
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
A2A - By what stretch of imagination do you assume Canadians instigate suggestion of a U.S./Canada merger? This Canadian assures you Canada meant it when defeating America in the War of 1812. I’m sure America would love to get its hands on Canadian resources, abundant supply of fresh water and dominion over vast regions of the Arctic. Americans consumed with delusions of superiority pose tiresome suggestion of a merger - Canadians shake their heads and laugh it off.
Theoretical good or bad idea? Try preposterous
Canadians don’t envy America, truth is we count ourselves lucky not to be born in the U.S.
為什么有這么多關(guān)于美加合并的帖子和問題?人們很容易認(rèn)為這個(gè)想法最多來自加拿大人，而不是美國人。從理論上講，各種各樣的合并對(duì)每個(gè)國家來說是好是壞?
邀請(qǐng)回答-你憑什么想象加拿大人會(huì)提出美國/加拿大合并的建議？加拿大人向你保證，加拿大在1812年戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中擊敗美國時(shí)是認(rèn)真的。我相信美國會(huì)很樂意獲得加拿大的資源、豐富的淡水供應(yīng)和對(duì)北極廣大地區(qū)的統(tǒng)治權(quán)。被優(yōu)越感折磨的美國人提出了令人厭煩的合并建議——加拿大人搖搖頭，一笑了之。
理論上看，它是好主意還是壞主意？荒謬的嘗試
加拿大人并不嫉妒美國，事實(shí)是我們很慶幸自己沒有出生在美國。
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
Let’s start with addressing the second part of your question: “it’s easy to assume the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most”.
Wow. Really ? What evidence would you have to suggest that ?
I’m willing to bet a year’s pay that if you took a poll of, say, a million Canadians, you would find about ZERO that would want to merge Canada with that mess called the United States.
I can think of dozens of reasons Canadians don’t want to merge with the U.S., but since I don’t have time to enumerate them, let’s go with these:
We have universal health care and we like it that way.
We have gun control and we like that too.
Generally, Canadians don’t understand the American politics of divisiveness, a culture built on fearing your neighbour that seems to believe that it’s Ok to shoot your neighbour, but it’s NOT ok to pay for their health care
So, to your question:
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
I’m guessing that many questions come from Americans, and the question is really the equivalent of “If I’m so great then why doesn’t she love me?”.
Or more correctly, “If we’re as great as we think we are then why doesn’t the rest of the world want to be us?”.
Sorry to be harsh but this question got on my nerves.
為什么有這么多關(guān)于美加合并的帖子和問題?人們很容易認(rèn)為這個(gè)想法最多來自加拿大人，而不是美國人。從理論上講，各種各樣的合并對(duì)每個(gè)國家來說是好是壞?
讓我們從解決問題的第二部分開始：“很容易認(rèn)為這個(gè)想法來自加拿大人，而不是美國人”。
哇！你有什么證據(jù)可以證明這一點(diǎn)？
我愿意用一年的薪水打賭，如果你對(duì)100萬加拿大人進(jìn)行民意調(diào)查，你會(huì)發(fā)現(xiàn)幾乎沒有人想把加拿大和那個(gè)叫美國的爛攤子合并。
我能想到加拿大人不想與美國合并的幾十個(gè)原因，但由于我沒有時(shí)間一一列舉，讓我們從以下幾個(gè)方面著手：
我們有全民醫(yī)療，我們喜歡這種方式。
我們有槍支管制，我們也喜歡這樣。
一般來說，加拿大人不理解美國的分裂政治，一種建立在對(duì)鄰居的恐懼之上的文化，這種文化似乎認(rèn)為向鄰居開槍是可以的，但又不能為他們的醫(yī)療費(fèi)用買單。
因此，對(duì)于你的問題：
為什么有這么多關(guān)于美加合并的帖子和問題?人們很容易認(rèn)為這個(gè)想法最多來自加拿大人，而不是美國人。從理論上講，各種各樣的合并對(duì)每個(gè)國家來說是好是壞?
我猜很多問題都來自美國人，這個(gè)問題實(shí)際上相當(dāng)于“如果我這么棒，她為什么不愛我？”。
或者更正確地說，“如果我們像我們想象的那樣偉大，那么世界其它地方為什么不想成為我們呢？”。
很抱歉這么難聽，但這個(gè)問題讓我很緊張。
Why are there many posts and questions regarding a US-Canada merger? It's easy to assume that the idea comes from Canadians rather than Americans the most. Theoretically speaking, would a merger of sorts be a good or bad idea for each country?
These questions are not coming from Canadians. You can take that to the bank. This is Americans playing out the Monroe Doctrine's “manifest destiny”, which they take to mean that the US deserves to have all of Canada. This whole thing is stupid and just plain annoying. Canadians absolutely do not want to be Americans. Not now, not ever.
為什么有這么多關(guān)于美加合并的帖子和問題?人們很容易認(rèn)為這個(gè)想法最多來自加拿大人，而不是美國人。從理論上講，各種各樣的合并對(duì)每個(gè)國家來說是好是壞?
你可以相信這個(gè)事實(shí)：這些問題不是加拿大人提出的。這是美國人在演繹門羅主義(Monroe Doctrine)的“天定命運(yùn)”(manifest destiny)，他們認(rèn)為這意味著美國理應(yīng)擁有整個(gè)加拿大。這整件事很愚蠢，很煩人。加拿大人絕對(duì)不想成為美國人?，F(xiàn)在不會(huì)，永遠(yuǎn)也不會(huì)。
What would a UK-US merge look like?
Very powerful.
Trade across the Atlantic would increase dramatically.
Its navy, already the dominant in the one, would be even more unchallenged.
Its soft power would be immense.
Heck! What on earth are you guys waiting for?
英美合并會(huì)是什么樣子？
非常強(qiáng)大
大西洋兩岸的貿(mào)易將大幅增長(zhǎng)。
它的海軍，已經(jīng)在其中占主導(dǎo)地位，將更加不受挑戰(zhàn)。
它的軟實(shí)力將極為強(qiáng)大。
見鬼！你們到底在等什么？
Originally Answered: What would a UK-US merge look like?
Really dumb and so preposterous as to be barely worth thinking about.
It would be a return to the situation pre-1776. Now who is going to go for that? Beyond that, I don't know what it would look like. Both countries already have so many similarities and shared cultural attributes (yes, we do like to bicker about the differences, but they're fairly minor in the spectrum of human variety) and chain restaurants, that a "merger" might not change anything all that much.
最初回答：英美合并會(huì)是什么樣子？
真的很蠢，很荒謬，幾乎不值得思考。
這將回到1776年以前的情況，現(xiàn)在誰會(huì)去干這件事呢?除此之外，我不知道它會(huì)是什么樣子。這兩個(gè)國家已經(jīng)有了很多相似之處和共同的文化特征（是的，我們確實(shí)喜歡為差異而爭(zhēng)吵，但在人類的多樣性中，這種差異相當(dāng)?。┖瓦B鎖餐廳，“合并”可能不會(huì)改變?nèi)魏问虑椤?/b>
The chance of the United Kingdom becoming part of the United States approaches true zero. First of all, it currently consists of England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and various other small principalities, not all of which would or could become American. If their prime minister went insane and actually proposed this, it could only be after they dissolved their monarchy. The American constitution actually proscribes titles as they are known in the UK; indeed, part of the reason for the American Revolution was that no person was above anyone else in society, at least technically. So we have no Sirs, Lords, Ladies, Countesses, and very particularly, we have no Kings or Queens. So all of those people would have to renounce their titles.
英國成為美國一部分的可能性幾乎為零。首先，它目前由英格蘭、蘇格蘭、北愛爾蘭和其他各種小公國組成，并非所有這些公國都會(huì)或可能成為美國的一部分。如果他們的首相瘋了，真的提出了這個(gè)建議，那只能是在他們解散君主制之后。美國憲法實(shí)際上禁止英國所稱的頭銜；事實(shí)上，美國革命的部分原因是，在社會(huì)上沒有人能凌駕于任何人之上，至少在理論上是這樣。因此，我們沒有君主、貴族、女士、伯爵夫人，尤其是，我們沒有國王或王后。因此，所有這些人都將不得不放棄他們的頭銜。
About the only thing that is the same in the two countries is a large chunk (far from all) of the English language.
The culture is different.
The accents are different, as is pronunciation of the same words.
The politics are utterly different.
The social classes are different (USA based on money, UK on family and schooling).
The legal systems are different (though both were originally based on ancient English law they are now very much diverged).
The sense of humour is different (some works in both countries, much of it doesn’t).
The health, education, policing, and military systems are very different.
Attitudes to religion are very different.
Sports are different (Britain’s being more aligned with the rest of the world than the USA).
In any case, any merger would upset both countries far too much.
If the British were brought into the American system, the British would obxt to losing their Parliament, monarchy, and personal freedoms, and the Americans would obxt to having their politics shunted massively to the left by hundreds of additional centrist (left-wing by American standards) congresspeople and senators.
If the Americans were brought into the British system, many of them would obxt to having religious freedom, gun control and free healthcare foisted upon them. There is no pleasing some people.
這兩個(gè)國家唯一相同的是英語的很大一部分（遠(yuǎn)非全部）是相同的。
文化是不同的。
口音不同，同一個(gè)單詞的發(fā)音也不同。
政治完全不同。
社會(huì)階層不同（美國以金錢為基礎(chǔ)，英國以家庭和學(xué)校為基礎(chǔ)）。
法律體系各不相同（盡管兩國最初都是以古代英國法律為基礎(chǔ)的，但現(xiàn)在分歧很大）。
幽默感是不同的（有些梗是兩國都認(rèn)可，但大部分幽默點(diǎn)不同）。
衛(wèi)生、教育、治安和軍事系統(tǒng)大不相同。
對(duì)宗教的態(tài)度大不相同。
體育是不同的(英國與世界其他地區(qū)的聯(lián)系比美國更緊密)。
無論如何，任何合并都會(huì)讓兩國感到非常不安。
如果英國人被納入美國體系，英國人將反對(duì)失去議會(huì)、君主制和個(gè)人自由，而美國人會(huì)反對(duì)他們的政治大量轉(zhuǎn)向左翼——會(huì)出現(xiàn)數(shù)以百計(jì)的中間派(按照美國的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)是左翼)國會(huì)議員和參議員。
如果美國人被納入英國體系，他們中的許多人會(huì)反對(duì)將宗教自由、槍支管制和免費(fèi)醫(yī)療強(qiáng)加給他們——取悅某些人是不可能的。
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I have strong views on this, which I have shared on this and other forums many times. There is a great cultural and social opportunity to bring together the West Coast, Northern and North Eastern states of the USA, Canada and the UK, in a broad, inclusive and prosperous nation.
Every constituent part must be recognized and honored. We will therefore be very careful about the naming of this great nation:
From The Dominion of Canada we will take the word “The”
From The United States of America we will take the word “United”
From the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland we will take the word “Kingdom”
This beacon of freedom will quickly become the envy of the world. In order that our friends over the ocean feel included, we will let them nominate a new royal family - we suggest the Schwarzeneggers as an option but are open to suggestions.
我對(duì)此有強(qiáng)烈的看法，我在這個(gè)論壇和其他論壇上多次分享過。這是一個(gè)巨大的文化和社會(huì)機(jī)會(huì)，可以將美國西海岸、北部和東北部各州、加拿大和英國聚集在一起，形成一個(gè)廣闊、包容和繁榮的國家。
每一個(gè)組成部分都必須得到承認(rèn)和尊重。因此，我們將非常小心地命名這個(gè)偉大的國家:
從“加拿大自治領(lǐng)（The Dominion of Canada ）”中我們?nèi)? The "這個(gè)詞
在“美利堅(jiān)合眾國（The United States of America ）”，我們將使用“United”一詞
在“大不列顛及北愛爾蘭聯(lián)合王國（ the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland ）“的“Kingdom”一詞
這座自由的燈塔將很快成為全世界羨慕的對(duì)象。為了讓大洋彼岸的朋友們感到自己也被納入其中，我們將讓他們提名一個(gè)新的皇室家族——我們建議施瓦辛格家族作為一個(gè)選擇，但我們?cè)敢饨邮艽蠹业慕ㄗh。