如果猶太人沒有控制一切，那么為什么猶太人只占美國人口的 2%，卻在政府、媒體和銀行業(yè)中占有過高的比例？（上）

If Jews don’t control everything, then why are Jews overrepresented in the government, media, and banking if they’re only 2% of the USA population?

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我不是猶太人，也不是其他任何族裔，但我認(rèn)識(shí)很多猶太人，了解他們的一些文化特點(diǎn)。

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Hafizullah Sufi
I’m not Jewish — or anything else — but I know many Jewish people well and I understand a few things about their subculture.
One of them is that learning for its own sake is valued and encouraged. And that’s not as-true of Gentiles, many of whom seem to make a virtue of their ignorance.
So Jews are a bit over-represented in fields that require education and expertise.

我不是猶太人，也不是其他任何族裔，但我認(rèn)識(shí)很多猶太人，了解他們的一些文化特點(diǎn)。其中一個(gè)是，他們珍視并鼓勵(lì)為了學(xué)習(xí)而學(xué)習(xí)。這在普通人中并不常見，許多人似乎把無知當(dāng)成了一種美德。因此，在需要教育和專業(yè)知識(shí)的領(lǐng)域中，猶太人的比例有點(diǎn)過高。

評(píng)論翻譯

Vic
I am a Jew, and I was going to say something similar. Lots of aspects of Jewish culture came about as a survival mechanism. If you look around, it's actually very rare for Jews to have political power at the highest levels. Most often we're managing the accounts of those with real power. We have learned to make ourselves useful to make it slightly less likely that whichever psychopath seizes the reigns of power finds us too useful to exterminate. It's kind of depressing, to be honest.

我是猶太人，我本來也想說類似的話。猶太文化的許多方面都是作為一種生存機(jī)制而產(chǎn)生的。如果你四處看看，你會(huì)發(fā)現(xiàn)猶太人在最高層很少擁有政治權(quán)力。我們大多時(shí)候是在管理那些真正有權(quán)力的人的賬戶。我們已經(jīng)學(xué)會(huì)讓自己變得有用，稍微減少某個(gè)精神病患者奪取權(quán)力的可能性，使他們發(fā)現(xiàn)我們對(duì)他們來說過于有用而將我們消滅。說實(shí)話，這有點(diǎn)令人沮喪。
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Steve Parsonage
Generally speaking, since Jews have been victims of religious persecution for centuries (they’re the world’s scapegoat of choice, since they’re successful, and too few in number to defend themselves easily), their culture has evolved to foster a success-oriented survival strategy. They work hard to be successful, self-sufficient and prominent members of society, so they can take care of themselves, and be valuable to society to protect themselves from, and minimize the amount of persecution.

總的來說，猶太人幾個(gè)世紀(jì)以來一直是宗教迫害的受害者（因?yàn)樗麄兂晒Σ⑶覕?shù)量較少無法輕易捍衛(wèi)自己），因此他們的文化演變出了一個(gè)以成功為導(dǎo)向的生存策略。他們努力工作，成為成功、自給自足和突出的社會(huì)成員，以便能夠照顧自己，并且對(duì)社會(huì)有價(jià)值，以保護(hù)自己，并最大限度地減少迫害的程度。

The majority of American Jews emigrated from Russian from 1880–1910. During that period, the Russian government built the Trans-Siberian Railroad, and got millions of poor Russians to invest in it. It was a financial failure which caused an economic crisis. The Russian government, afraid of a revolution, chose to blame Jews for the problem (antisemitism was big in Russia). Russian intelligence wrote a fake conspiracy theory book called “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” purporting to be the secret agenda of a mysterious cabal of greedy Jewish bankers controlling the worlds’ money, and blaming them for the financial crisis. The book was widely distributed, and triggered a wave of violent pogroms across Russia. Millions of Russian Jews fled the country and emigrated to America. They entered via Ellis Island in New York, and many put down roots there. This is why there a lot of Jewish people in New York.

美國的大多數(shù)猶太人來自1880年至1910年間的俄羅斯。在這段期間，俄羅斯政府建造了西伯利亞鐵路，并讓數(shù)百萬貧困的俄羅斯人投資其中。這次投資失敗導(dǎo)致經(jīng)濟(jì)危機(jī)。俄羅斯政府為了避免革命，選擇將問題歸咎于猶太人（反猶太主義在俄羅斯很普遍）。俄羅斯情報(bào)部門編寫了一本虛假的陰謀論書籍《錫安長老議定書》，聲稱是一群控制全球金融的貪婪猶太銀行家的秘密議程，并指責(zé)他們?cè)斐闪私鹑谖C(jī)。這本書被廣泛傳播，引發(fā)了一波在俄羅斯各地的暴力屠殺浪潮。數(shù)百萬俄羅斯猶太人逃離該國并移民到美國。他們通過紐約的埃利斯島進(jìn)入，并許多人在那里扎下根來。這就是為什么紐約有很多猶太人的原因。

As far as these three industries you mention, it’s important to note that Jewish immigrants started out doing crappy jobs in America, and figured out industries that they had skills for, that nobody else was doing, but there was a demand for. For example, Jews used to be known as Jewelers and clothes makers (they developed the “garment district” in New York). They chose to do those jobs, and built them into successful businesses that we now all take for granted.

至于你提到的這三個(gè)行業(yè)，重要的是要注意，美國猶太移民起初做的是低劣的工作，并找到了他們具備技能但沒有別人做的行業(yè)，但市場(chǎng)上有需求。例如，猶太人以前被稱為珠寶商和服裝制造商（他們?cè)诩~約發(fā)展了“服裝區(qū)”）。他們選擇從事這些職業(yè)，并將其建成成功的企業(yè)，現(xiàn)在我們都視為理所當(dāng)然。

1.Government: Jews were often excluded from government until the 1950s. Schools and institutions (including banks, and elite colleges like Harvard) had antisemitic practices (the famous “Gentleman’s Agreement”), blackballing Jews from getting these jobs. What Jews did figure out is that there was a demand for small claims lawyers (for petty lawsuits, divorces, etc). They started successful law firms, and slowly built them up into big law firms. Who goes into government the most? Lawyers. So having a lot of lawyers, lined up more Jewish people to be good at politics, though they hardly “dominate” politics. It’s important to note that there were still many parts of the country that discriminated vs. Jews, and would not elect them due to prejudice.

1.政府：直到1950年代，猶太人經(jīng)常被排除在政府之外。學(xué)校和機(jī)構(gòu)（包括銀行和哈佛等精英學(xué)院）實(shí)行反猶太主義政策（著名的“紳士協(xié)定”），拒絕給予猶太人這些工作機(jī)會(huì)。猶太人發(fā)現(xiàn)小額索賠律師（處理小官司、離婚等）有需求。他們開設(shè)成功的律師事務(wù)所，并逐漸將其建成大型律師事務(wù)所。誰最適合進(jìn)入政府？律師。因此，有很多律師，為更多的猶太人在政治上表現(xiàn)出色提供了機(jī)會(huì)，但他們并不完全“控制”政治。值得注意的是，仍然有許多地方歧視猶太人，并且由于偏見而不愿選舉他們。

2.Entertainment: Before TV and movies, people went to see stage shows at many small theatres. Showbusiness in the 1880s-1920s was considered sleazy and low class. Jewish businessmen saw an opportunity, and ran theaters in places like New York (which is why there were so many Jewish variety acts, comedians, etc). When movies were invented, the theater guys (who had access to the best stage acts) started the movie companies. For example, Louis B Mayer (a Russian-born, Boston based Jewish scrap metal dealer, who grew up poor, and quit school at age 12 to sell junk metal from a cart with his father) opened a theater for Italian immigrants. He later moved to L.A. opening more theaters, and got into movies with Irving Thalberg. Together, they opened “Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer (MGM)” Movie studios. Movies were immensely profitable, mostly run by these Jewish self-made businessmen, who did the hard work to build the industry. They got rich, and dominate the industry to this day.

2.娛樂：在電視和電影出現(xiàn)之前，人們?cè)谠S多小劇院觀看舞臺(tái)表演。1880年代至1920年代的演藝界被認(rèn)為是骯臟和低俗的。猶太商人看到了機(jī)會(huì)，并在紐約等地經(jīng)營劇院（這就是為什么有那么多猶太綜藝節(jié)目、喜劇演員等）。當(dāng)電影被發(fā)明時(shí)，劇院經(jīng)營者（他們擁有最好的舞臺(tái)演出）開始了電影公司。例如，路易斯·B·梅耶（俄羅斯出生，波士頓人，成長于貧窮，12歲就輟學(xué)跟父親一起推銷廢金屬）為意大利移民開設(shè)了一家劇院。他后來搬到洛杉磯開設(shè)了更多的劇院，并與歐文·薩爾伯格一起涉足電影行業(yè)。他們共同開設(shè)了“米高梅（MGM）”電影公司。電影非常賺錢，主要是由這些猶太自力更生的商人經(jīng)營，他們辛勤工作建立了這個(gè)行業(yè)。他們變得富有，并且到今天仍然主導(dǎo)著這個(gè)行業(yè)。

3.Banking: The idea that Jews dominate banking is a myth, that comes from that bogus “zion” book/conspiracy theory I mentioned. Jews don’t dominate the banking industry, BTW, because again, bankers excluded Jews due to the “Gentlemen’s Agreement”. Jews made money doing other industries, and worked their way into some banking (actually more in to stock brokering). There are major banks in New York, and since there are a lot of Jewish people in New York, naturally there are more Jewish bankers there. However, a lot of bankers came from elite colleges that excluded and discriminated against Jews, so it’s been an uphill struggle for Jews to become bankers.

3.銀行業(yè)：猶太人控制銀行業(yè)的想法是一個(gè)謊言，來自我提到的那本虛假的“錫安”陰謀論書。順便說一句，猶太人并沒有控制銀行業(yè)，因?yàn)殂y行家排除了猶太人（由于“紳士協(xié)定”）。猶太人通過其他行業(yè)賺錢，并逐漸進(jìn)入一些銀行業(yè)（實(shí)際上更多地從事股票經(jīng)紀(jì)業(yè)）。在紐約有一些大型銀行，因?yàn)槟抢镉泻芏嗒q太人，自然會(huì)有更多的猶太銀行家。然而，許多銀行家來自排斥和歧視猶太人的精英學(xué)院，因此猶太人成為銀行家一直是艱難的。

Jeremy Cronin
For centuries all over the world Jews were prohibited from owning land, joining professional guilds, or participating in government.
As the world emerged from the middle ages and people started looking to get out of their agrarian lifestyle and enjoy the growth of the Renaissance and Industrial revolution, the only ways Jews could better their lot was to get an education and develop their skills in fields that they were not banned from or that were still early in their development and Jews had not yet been banned from them.
For this reason Jews historically became bankers, lawyers, doctors, traders and businessmen, and it became ingrained in the Jewish psyche that one needs to get a good education and learn skills with which they can succeed independently.

多個(gè)世紀(jì)以來，世界各地的猶太人被禁止擁有土地、加入專業(yè)行會(huì)或參與政府事務(wù)。隨著世界從中世紀(jì)走出來，人們開始追求擺脫農(nóng)業(yè)生活方式，享受文藝復(fù)興和工業(yè)革命帶來的發(fā)展，猶太人能改善自己的境遇的唯一途徑是接受教育，并在那些他們沒有被禁止的領(lǐng)域發(fā)展自己的技能，或者在那些還處于早期發(fā)展階段且猶太人尚未被禁止的領(lǐng)域發(fā)展自己的技能。
因此，歷史上猶太人通常成為銀行家、律師、醫(yī)生、商人和交易商，并且這種思維方式深深根植于猶太人的心靈中，即一個(gè)人需要接受良好的教育，并學(xué)習(xí)能夠獨(dú)立成功的技能。

Many Jewish parents continue to this day to push their kids to study these fields and develop a good career. This is why Jews are disproportionately represented in those fields.
There is no conspiracy here. It's simply a side effect of the world's continued attempts to opress Jews.

直到今天，許多猶太父母仍然鼓勵(lì)他們的孩子學(xué)習(xí)這些領(lǐng)域，并發(fā)展良好的職業(yè)生涯。這就是為什么猶太人在這些領(lǐng)域中的比例較高，這并不是一種陰謀，而只是世界持續(xù)試圖壓迫猶太人的副作用。

Rachmaninov Piazzolla
As an Asian American, I generally refrain from stereotyping people. I have seen firsthand stereotyping working both for and against minorities.
That said, I’m going to show some interesting statistics about the Jewish folks — the Jewish people account for 0.2% of the world population; the Jewish people (1/2 or more of Jewish ancestry) account for 22% of Nobel Prize winners.
From a purely mathematical point of view, people with Jewish ancestry account for a statistically significant share of the highest of high achievers. By a 100X+ factor.
You can blame it on their work ethics, their genes, their culture… Either way, the numbers are there.
For one, I’m grateful Einstein brought us Relativity.

作為一個(gè)亞裔美國人，我通常不會(huì)將人們進(jìn)行刻板印象的分類。我親眼目睹了對(duì)少數(shù)族裔進(jìn)行刻板印象的積極和消極影響。
話雖如此，我要展示一些有關(guān)猶太人的有趣統(tǒng)計(jì)數(shù)據(jù)——猶太人占世界人口的0.2％；擁有猶太血統(tǒng)（一半或更多）的猶太人占諾貝爾獎(jiǎng)得主的22％。
從純粹的數(shù)學(xué)角度來看，擁有猶太血統(tǒng)的人在最高成就者中占有顯著的比例。超過100倍的因素。
你可以將其歸咎于他們的職業(yè)道德、基因、文化......無論如何，這些數(shù)字就在那里。
就我個(gè)人而言，我很感激愛因斯坦給我們帶來了相對(duì)論。

David
I was taking a class in college, an online class. In it the instructor asked us why the jews were persecuted. I responded by showing that the leading CEOs of most businesses in finance, banking, and a couple others were all Jewish. I was called a nazi, even though i showed evidence. The instructor took the side of the heckler. So i took it to the dept head. He looked into it, said i was right, then told me i was getting an A for the course, didn't have to finish the course and was given my tuition for the class, and the instructor had to write me an apology.

我在大學(xué)上網(wǎng)課時(shí)，有一門課程中，老師問我們?yōu)槭裁椽q太人會(huì)受到迫害。我回答說，大多數(shù)金融、銀行等行業(yè)的主要CEO都是猶太人，以此作為證據(jù)。然而，我被稱為納粹分子，盡管我提供了證據(jù)。老師站在了那個(gè)質(zhì)問者那邊。于是我向系主任反映了情況。他調(diào)查后表示我是正確的，然后告訴我這門課我得到了A的成績，不需要完成課程，并且退還了我這門課的學(xué)費(fèi)，還要求那位老師給我寫封道歉信。

Sadly, if you bring any evidence to question anything about jews,you are labeled antisemitic, which i am not in any way.
So the question remains, why do they have so much power if they make up such a small minority? It is because they take up key positions in the major industries.

遺憾的是，如果你提出任何關(guān)于猶太人的問題，即使你根本不是反猶太的，也會(huì)被貼上反猶主義者的標(biāo)簽。所以問題仍然存在，為什么他們占據(jù)如此重要的地位，盡管他們只占很小的少數(shù)？這是因?yàn)樗麄冊(cè)谥饕袠I(yè)中擔(dān)任了關(guān)鍵職位。

Asher James
You know… there are way deeper analyses of this all over the place, including right here in these existing answers. So I’m not going to get deep into varying cultures of education and literacy; or the ways members of embattled minorities often band together and give each other a leg up, when they can; or the reality that literal centuries when Christians banned Jews from professional and mercantile guilds overlapped substantially with years when the Church wouldn’t let Christians lend money to each others, but would let them fund their wars and build their empires with money they borrowed from us—after all, if repayment got prohibitive, they could always just stage another pogrom.

其實(shí)，這個(gè)問題已經(jīng)有很深入的分析了，包括在這些現(xiàn)有答案中。所以我不會(huì)深入探討各種文化教育和識(shí)字能力的變化，或者被困擾的少數(shù)族裔成員通常如何聯(lián)合起來互相幫助；或者現(xiàn)實(shí)情況是，基督徒禁止猶太人進(jìn)入專業(yè)和商業(yè)行會(huì)的幾個(gè)世紀(jì)與教會(huì)不允許基督徒互相借錢，但允許他們用從我們這里借來的錢資助他們的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)和建立他們的帝國的年代有很大重疊——畢竟，如果償還變得困難，他們總是可以再發(fā)動(dòng)一次暴動(dòng)。

Those explanations all require some depth and nuanced attention to fully grasp, and anyone still asking this question in 2023 is probably a little short on both, so let me just get straight to the simplest point.
There used to be a lot more poor, disenfranchised Jews, relative to our overall population. But a third of us were murdered in the early 1940s, and they consisted disproportionately of the people who didn’t have money for bribes or immigration; didn’t have business or family contacts who could help them settle somewhere new; had limited access to literacy skills or radios, and couldn’t stay up to date on political news… and the Holocaust might have been the worst time that happened, but it certainly wasn’t the first.

這些解釋都需要深入細(xì)致的關(guān)注才能完全理解，而在2023年仍然問這個(gè)問題的人可能在這方面都有些欠缺，所以讓我直接講述最簡單的觀點(diǎn)。
相對(duì)于我們的總?cè)丝?，以前有更多貧困、失?quán)的猶太人。但在二十世紀(jì)四十年代初，我們有三分之一的人被謀殺，其中不具備賄賂或移民資金的人比例高；沒有能夠幫助他們?cè)谛碌胤桨布业纳虡I(yè)或家庭聯(lián)系人；對(duì)識(shí)字技能或收音機(jī)的使用有限，無法及時(shí)了解政治新聞...大屠殺可能是這種情況最糟糕的時(shí)期，但它肯定不是第一個(gè)。

If, for centuries, you periodically murder, rob, exile, force conversion and cultural assimilation on, and burn down the neighborhoods of a given people group—but you sometimes give a pass to the ones with money they can lend you, or who run big important government or business enterprises; or the ones who’ve scraped some money together are just better able to resist or flee; then, yeah, a disproportionately high number of the survivors might be wealthy or politically or socially powerful.

如果幾個(gè)世紀(jì)以來，你周期性地謀殺、搶劫、流放、強(qiáng)迫轉(zhuǎn)化和文化同化某個(gè)族群，并焚毀他們的居民區(qū)——但有時(shí)會(huì)對(duì)那些有錢可以借給你的人或經(jīng)營重要政府或商業(yè)企業(yè)的人放過；或者那些掙了點(diǎn)錢的人更能夠抵制或逃離；那么，是的，幸存者中不成比例的高比例可能是富有或在政治和社會(huì)上有權(quán)力的。

Jews aren’t wealthier than anyone else. But to the extent that it sometimes looks that way? It’s because y’all’s people have spent a couple of millennia killing off all the poorest and least powerful among us, generation after generation, while shielding the ones with resources you thought you could use.

猶太人并不比其他人更富有。但在某些情況下看起來像這樣？那是因?yàn)槟銈兊娜嗽趲浊昀镆淮忠淮貧⒑ξ覀冎凶钬毟F、最無力的人，同時(shí)保護(hù)那些你們認(rèn)為可以利用資源的人。

Angela Birch
Because a solid part of the culture of Jewish people is that education and expertise are valued. It is a rare Jewish child that is allowed to drop out of school and the assumption of a university education is instilled in most starting with before they start school. When they hit the job market they are prepared.

因?yàn)楠q太人的文化中重視教育和專業(yè)知識(shí)的價(jià)值觀。很少有猶太孩子被允許輟學(xué)，大部分在他們上學(xué)前就已經(jīng)灌輸了上大學(xué)的想法。當(dāng)他們進(jìn)入就業(yè)市場(chǎng)時(shí)，他們已經(jīng)做好了準(zhǔn)備。

Taking an education seriously and teaching a child to value it results in higher achievement.
When I was in high school back in the late 1950s and early 1960s I watched other kids drop out once they hit 16. However none of my Jewish classmates dropped out, they assumed they would get a university education. They did so and their knowledge and skills were valued by employers. When I joined the army Men didn’t need a high school diploma. Women did. I had a lot of people in my post basic training some men and some women the men were unlikely to have a high school diploma unless they were Jewish or came from a family who valued education.

對(duì)教育的認(rèn)真態(tài)度和教育孩子珍視教育的觀念會(huì)帶來更高的成就?；仡櫸疑细咧械臅r(shí)候，那是在20世紀(jì)50年代末和60年代初，我看到其他的孩子在16歲時(shí)輟學(xué)。然而，我的猶太同學(xué)沒有一個(gè)輟學(xué)，他們都認(rèn)為自己將會(huì)接受大學(xué)教育。他們確實(shí)如此做了，并且他們的知識(shí)和技能得到了雇主的重視。當(dāng)我參軍的時(shí)候，男性并不需要高中文憑，但女性需要。在我的基礎(chǔ)訓(xùn)練營里，有很多男性和女性，男性很少有高中文憑，除非他們是猶太人或者來自一個(gè)重視教育的家庭。

I am an employer and I hire basically the best in the field, because they get high wages and very nice benefits. Someone who is educated has an excellent chance of getting hired. A high school drop out might just as well not apply. In banking it is the same. They hire someone who is educated in the field and will be an asset. They do not hire someone who needs to take off their shoes to count change. In government education and experience are what counts. Factually the evidence indicates that there are about 130,000 government employees who are Jewish out of about 19 million government employees, do the math less than 2%. They do tend to be high profile due to their education and experience but they are under represented as a percentage of the government workforce. Media? The same. The media values education, talent and experience.

作為一名雇主，我通常會(huì)雇傭行業(yè)中最優(yōu)秀的人才，因?yàn)樗麄兛梢垣@得高工資和非常好的福利。受過教育的人有很大機(jī)會(huì)被雇傭，而輟學(xué)生可能根本不需要申請(qǐng)工作。在銀行業(yè)也是如此，他們雇傭那些在該領(lǐng)域受過教育并且能為公司帶來價(jià)值的人才。他們不會(huì)雇傭需要脫鞋才能數(shù)錢的人。在政府部門，教育和經(jīng)驗(yàn)才是最重要的。根據(jù)事實(shí)證據(jù)，約有130,000名政府雇員是猶太人，占約1900萬政府雇員的比例不到2%。由于他們的教育和經(jīng)驗(yàn)，他們可能更加引人注目，但在政府勞動(dòng)力中所占比例較小。媒體也是如此，媒體重視教育、才能和經(jīng)驗(yàn)。
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If one wants their children to succeed in life you make damned sure they value education and hard work. Without it they do not have a prayer of success.

如果一個(gè)人希望他們的孩子在生活中取得成功，就必須確保他們珍視教育和努力工作。沒有這些，他們不可能成功。

猶太人 美國人口媒體 銀行業(yè)

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如果猶太人沒有控制一切，那么為什么猶太人只占美國人口的 2%，卻在政府、媒體和銀行業(yè)中占有過高的比例？（上）

如果猶太人沒有控制一切，那么為什么猶太人只占美國人口的 2%，卻在政府、媒體和銀行業(yè)中占有過高的比例？（上）