QA問(wèn)答：成都?xì)?0C比F16 Block 40好嗎？為什么？
Is the Chengdu J-10C better than the F-16 Block 40? Why?
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網(wǎng)友：成都J-10C是一款中國(guó)單引擎多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，于2018年投入使用。 J-10C的雷達(dá)反射截面也比F-16低，因此更難被發(fā)現(xiàn)和跟蹤......
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The Chengdu J-10C is a Chinese single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 2018. It is an improved variant of the J-10B, with a new AESA radar, an infrared search and track system, a helmet-mounted display, and a thrust vectoring nozzle. It can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the PL-15 and PL-10 missiles, which have longer range and better maneuverability than the F-16’s AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles. The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16, making it harder to detect and track.
成都J-10C是一款中國(guó)單引擎多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，于2018年投入使用。它是J-10B的改進(jìn)型，配備新型AESA雷達(dá)、紅外搜索和跟蹤系統(tǒng)、頭盔式雷達(dá)顯示器和推力矢量噴嘴。它可以攜帶多種空對(duì)空和空對(duì)地武器，包括PL-15和PL-10導(dǎo)彈，它們比F-16的AIM-120和AIM-9導(dǎo)彈具有更遠(yuǎn)的射程和更好的機(jī)動(dòng)性。 J-10C的雷達(dá)反射截面也比F-16低，因此更難被發(fā)現(xiàn)和跟蹤。
The Chengdu J-10C is a Chinese single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 2018. It is an improved variant of the J-10B, with a new AESA radar, an infrared search and track system, a helmet-mounted display, and a thrust vectoring nozzle. It can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the PL-15 and PL-10 missiles, which have longer range and better maneuverability than the F-16’s AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles. The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16, making it harder to detect and track.
成都J-10C是一款中國(guó)單引擎多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，于2018年投入使用。它是J-10B的改進(jìn)型，配備新型AESA雷達(dá)、紅外搜索和跟蹤系統(tǒng)、頭盔式雷達(dá)顯示器和推力矢量噴嘴。它可以攜帶多種空對(duì)空和空對(duì)地武器，包括PL-15和PL-10導(dǎo)彈，它們比F-16的AIM-120和AIM-9導(dǎo)彈具有更遠(yuǎn)的射程和更好的機(jī)動(dòng)性。 J-10C的雷達(dá)反射截面也比F-16低，因此更難被發(fā)現(xiàn)和跟蹤。
The F-16 Block 40 is an American single-engine, multi-role fighter that entered service in 1989. It is one of the most widely used and exported fighters in the world, with over 2,000 units in service in 25 countries. It has a mechanically scanned radar, a night vision system, and a digital flight control system. The F-16 Block 40 can carry a variety of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, including the AIM-120 and AIM-9 missiles, the AGM-65 Maverick, and the Paveway laser-guided bombs. Also has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio than the J-10C, giving it better acceleration and climb performance.
F-16 Block 40是一款美國(guó)單引擎多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，于1989年開始服役。它是世界上使用和出口最廣泛的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)之一，在25個(gè)國(guó)家/地區(qū)擁有超過(guò)2,000架在服役。它有機(jī)械掃描雷達(dá)、夜視系統(tǒng)和數(shù)字飛行控制系統(tǒng)。 F-16 Block 40可攜帶多種空對(duì)空和空對(duì)地武器，包括AIM-120和AIM-9導(dǎo)彈、AGM-65 Maverick和寶石路激光制導(dǎo)炸彈。還具有比J-10C更高的推重比，使其具有更好的加速和爬升性能。
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F-16 Block 40是一款美國(guó)單引擎多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，于1989年開始服役。它是世界上使用和出口最廣泛的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)之一，在25個(gè)國(guó)家/地區(qū)擁有超過(guò)2,000架在服役。它有機(jī)械掃描雷達(dá)、夜視系統(tǒng)和數(shù)字飛行控制系統(tǒng)。 F-16 Block 40可攜帶多種空對(duì)空和空對(duì)地武器，包括AIM-120和AIM-9導(dǎo)彈、AGM-65 Maverick和寶石路激光制導(dǎo)炸彈。還具有比J-10C更高的推重比，使其具有更好的加速和爬升性能。
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The comparison between the J-10C and the F-16 Block 40 is not straightforward, as they have different strengths and weaknesses. The J-10C has an advantage in terms of radar, sensors, weapons, and stealth, while the F-16 Block 40 has an advantage in terms of engine, maneuverability, and combat experience. The outcome of a hypothetical air combat between them would depend on many factors, such as the pilot's skill, the mission profile, the tactics, the weather, and the support assets. Based on the available information, the J-10C seems to have a slight edge over the F-16 Block 40, especially in beyond-visual-range engagements.
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J-10C 和 F-16 Block 40 之間的比較并不簡(jiǎn)單，因?yàn)樗鼈兙哂胁煌膬?yōu)點(diǎn)和缺點(diǎn)。 J-10C在雷達(dá)、傳感器、武器、隱身等方面具有優(yōu)勢(shì)，而F-16 Block 40則在發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)、機(jī)動(dòng)性、作戰(zhàn)經(jīng)驗(yàn)等方面具有優(yōu)勢(shì)。他們之間假設(shè)的空戰(zhàn)結(jié)果將取決于許多因素，例如飛行員的技能、任務(wù)概況、戰(zhàn)術(shù)、天氣和支持資產(chǎn)。根據(jù)現(xiàn)有信息，J-10C似乎比F-16 Block 40稍有優(yōu)勢(shì)，尤其是在超視距交戰(zhàn)中。
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J-10C 和 F-16 Block 40 之間的比較并不簡(jiǎn)單，因?yàn)樗鼈兙哂胁煌膬?yōu)點(diǎn)和缺點(diǎn)。 J-10C在雷達(dá)、傳感器、武器、隱身等方面具有優(yōu)勢(shì)，而F-16 Block 40則在發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)、機(jī)動(dòng)性、作戰(zhàn)經(jīng)驗(yàn)等方面具有優(yōu)勢(shì)。他們之間假設(shè)的空戰(zhàn)結(jié)果將取決于許多因素，例如飛行員的技能、任務(wù)概況、戰(zhàn)術(shù)、天氣和支持資產(chǎn)。根據(jù)現(xiàn)有信息，J-10C似乎比F-16 Block 40稍有優(yōu)勢(shì)，尤其是在超視距交戰(zhàn)中。
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Sound and educated answer. As an X fighter pilot of PAF who uses both I would personally choose f16 any given day and twice on weekends just because there isn’t an aircraft built in this world that fits it pilot like a glove then F 16. It’s a steed it’s a beast and believe you me it becomes a part of pilots body
合理而禮貌的回答。作為一名同時(shí)使用兩者的巴基斯坦空軍戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)飛行員，我個(gè)人會(huì)在任何一天和周末兩次選擇F16，因?yàn)檫@個(gè)世界上沒有一架飛機(jī)能像F16那樣適合飛行員。它是一匹駿馬，是一頭野獸，相信你我，它會(huì)成為飛行員身體的一部分
89? I thought it was introduced in 79 but according to Wikipedia it started development in 74 and was introduced in 78.
Truly remarkable that this aircraft was begun 50 years ago.
89年? 我以為它是在79年引入的，但根據(jù)維基百科的說(shuō)法，它在74年開始開發(fā)，并在78年引入。
這架飛機(jī)誕生于50年前，真是了不起。
It’s not an Apple to Apple comparison. J10B vs F-16 block 52, or J10C vs F-16 block 70/72.
F-16 block 40 is an export version of F-16 block 52, so it’s capabilities Is also reduced. The AIM 120 applied Is AIM-120 C5 which has shorter range, about 50km, not AIM-120D used by US. The sidewinder also used export version, AIM-9P4, an export version of AIM-9M, not AIM-9X that have high off bore sight used by US.
Based on the specification, it is obviously J10C China version outmatch F-16 block 40. As usual, China always try to give the best offer they can make, which specification is near to their own.
這不是正確的比較。請(qǐng)用J10B與F-16 block 52或者J10C與F-16 block 70/72比較.
F-16 block 40是F-16 block 52的出口版本，因此其能力也有所下降。AIM 120采用的也是射程較短的AIM-120C5，約50公里，而不是美國(guó)使用的AIM-120D。它還使用了出口版本AIM-9P4，這是AIM-9M的出口版本，而不是具有美國(guó)使用的高遠(yuǎn)距瞄準(zhǔn)器的AIM-9X。
根據(jù)規(guī)格，顯然是J10C中國(guó)版超過(guò)F-16 block 40。和往常一樣，中國(guó)總是盡力提供他們能提供的最好的報(bào)價(jià)，而且技術(shù)規(guī)格接近他們自己用的規(guī)格。
Thai AF and Chinese Air force made a war simulation between f16 and J10 and info was leaked that Chinese Pilots should avoid Dog fighting an f16 because of J10 lacking energy in a prolonged maneuvering flight.
泰國(guó)空軍和中國(guó)空軍進(jìn)行了F16與J10的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)模擬，并有消息稱中國(guó)飛行員應(yīng)避免與F16進(jìn)行狗斗，因?yàn)镴10在長(zhǎng)時(shí)間機(jī)動(dòng)飛行中缺乏足夠能量。
Any pilot should avoid dogfights. All pilots are taught that.
任何飛行員都應(yīng)避免狗斗。所有飛行員都被教導(dǎo)了這一點(diǎn)。
Funny how this J10C looks like an F-16.
有趣的是，J10C這東西看起來(lái)像F-16。
its israeli LAVI fighter made by china,and lavi itself was modelled after f-16.
其實(shí)是以色列LAVI戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),由中國(guó)制造，LAVI本身就是以f-16為原型的。
Yup, the ugly version like most of their birds.
是的，像他們的大多數(shù)飛機(jī)一樣丑陋。
If Chinese J-10C is sooooooooo good and sooooooooo cheap, why practically NO country except primarily investors (China & Pakistan) wants it???
So EVER countries’ militaries analysts so dumb and also get paid to do nothing???
Add: Anyone with a right mind should know that China NEVER gave anything correctly about their country health care (for example COVID-19) and economic growth/forecast etc; so any specifications for their military equipments should be interpreted with great caution.
I Am not saying that F-16 is better; but J-10 is not good for sure.
Because China has zero capacity to manufacture any good jets engines; many decades behind fighter engines.
A fighter jet without a capable engine, what would be any good?!
如果中國(guó)的J-10C非常好而且非常便宜，為什么除了主要投資者（中國(guó)和巴基斯坦）之外幾乎沒有國(guó)家想要它？？？
所以曾經(jīng)有過(guò)國(guó)家的軍事分析家如此愚蠢卻還拿錢卻什么都不做？？？
補(bǔ)充：任何頭腦正常的人都應(yīng)該知道，中國(guó)從來(lái)沒有正確地提供過(guò)有關(guān)其國(guó)家醫(yī)療保?。ɡ?COVID-19）和經(jīng)濟(jì)增長(zhǎng)/預(yù)測(cè)等的任何信息；因此，其軍事裝備的任何規(guī)格參數(shù)都應(yīng)非常謹(jǐn)慎的理解。
我并不是說(shuō)F-16更好；但殲10肯定不好。
因?yàn)橹袊?guó)制造任何好的噴氣發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)的能力為零；落后數(shù)十年。
一架戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)如果沒有強(qiáng)大的發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)，那還有什么用呢？
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J10CE is actually pretty new. Around 2020s. J10B/A are older.
The past few years, there aren’t that many major spending on fighters on nations that cannot make or collaborate on one.
For those that do, it would be naive to think, they don’t come under arm twisting pressure from Washington to discourage buying J10C.
Moreover it’s not easy for new entrants to break into market for users already familiar or sunk costs into knowledge/maintenance/infrastructure/parts for Euro/US/Russian planes.
Fighter procurements take ages to announce and years more to materialise.
For the clueless, it’s not like as fast as buying fruits from a market.
Also this is a comparison between J10C and F16 Block 40. It’s possible J10C may be better. It’s also likely the newer F16 Blocks (60 onwards) may be better.
Nevertheless there are some nations like Saudi which already have Western planes are considering J10C. They’ve already had some combat experience with Chinese drones.
Which leads to another possibility for lack of high budget fighter procurements is the rise of combat drones. China is a significant exporter for combat drones.
J10CE實(shí)際上很新。 2020年代左右。 J10B/A 較舊。
在過(guò)去的幾年里，那些無(wú)法制造或無(wú)法合作研制戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的國(guó)家并沒有在戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)上投入太多大筆資金。
對(duì)于那些這樣做的人來(lái)說(shuō)，如果他們認(rèn)為自己不會(huì)受到華盛頓施加的壓力來(lái)阻止購(gòu)買J10C，那就太天真了。
此外，新進(jìn)入者要打入已經(jīng)熟悉的用戶市場(chǎng)并不容易，或者歐洲/美國(guó)/俄羅斯飛機(jī)的知識(shí)/維護(hù)/基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施/零件的沉沒成本。
戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)采購(gòu)需要很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間才能宣布，更需要幾年的時(shí)間才能實(shí)現(xiàn)。
對(duì)于無(wú)知的人來(lái)說(shuō)，這并不像從市場(chǎng)上購(gòu)買水果那么快。
這也是J10C和F16 Block 40之間的比較，可能J10C可能更好。較新的 F16 Block（60 及以上）也可能會(huì)更好。
盡管如此，沙特等一些已經(jīng)擁有西方飛機(jī)的國(guó)家正在考慮J10C。他們已經(jīng)有了一些中國(guó)無(wú)人機(jī)的作戰(zhàn)經(jīng)驗(yàn)。
導(dǎo)致缺乏高預(yù)算戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)采購(gòu)的另一個(gè)可能性是戰(zhàn)斗無(wú)人機(jī)的興起。中國(guó)是作戰(zhàn)無(wú)人機(jī)的重要出口國(guó)。
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The J-10 has nothing to do with Pakistan, and Pakistan has not invested a penny in the J-10. Who is stupid?
殲-10與巴基斯坦沒有任何關(guān)系，巴基斯坦也沒有在殲-10上投入一分錢。誰(shuí)是傻子？
How do you know the J-10 is inferior? Have the two met in combat?
你怎么知道殲-10是劣質(zhì)的？?jī)蓹C(jī)在戰(zhàn)斗中見過(guò)面嗎？
Problem is, which block 40? Upgrade packages transform a lot of the comparisons of sensors and EW capability.
To be fair to the Viper here, the block 40 is from 1988 and the J10A is from 2005. Ignoring upgrades, that’s almost an 18 year gap. And only to get something from China that is on parity to slight edge. 2018 for the J10C, that’s 30 years timegap. If it’s a real block 40, then if the J10C even had to use a BVRAAM to kill it then we know the J10C is a piece of trash. It should have so many advantages that it could knock the antique viper out with a fox 2 or blind it’s radar, burn out it’s rwr, and gun it from low six o clock. But I digress.
But if we do apples to apples and pick a cutting edge Viper in service vs a cutting edge J10C…
We see the Viper has sensor and EW, avionics edges that almost certainly outdo the J10. Probably a better comparison would be an uprated Block 52+ with the AESA upgrades and better jamming pods.
The range of a missile on paper matters, no doubt, but so many other factors matter even more that nobody, literally nobody who will ever write on the topic on Quora, legally
問(wèn)題是，哪種block 40？升級(jí)包改變了傳感器和電子戰(zhàn)能力的許多比較。
公平地說(shuō)，這里的block 40是1988年的，J10A是2005年的。忽略升級(jí)，這幾乎是18年的差距。而且只是為了從中國(guó)得到一些持平甚至略有優(yōu)勢(shì)的東西。 2018年對(duì)于J10C來(lái)說(shuō)，是30年的時(shí)間間隔。如果面對(duì)真正的Block 40，J10C不得不使用超視距導(dǎo)彈來(lái)?yè)袈渌敲次覀兙驼J(rèn)為J10C就是一個(gè)垃圾。它應(yīng)該有更多優(yōu)點(diǎn)，譬如它可以用更好的技術(shù)，譬如致盲F16的雷達(dá)，燒毀它的機(jī)載計(jì)算機(jī)，并從六點(diǎn)鐘方向低空擊落它等等。但我離題了。
但是，如果我們進(jìn)行公平的測(cè)試，并選擇服務(wù)中的尖端F16與尖端J10C對(duì)比…
毫無(wú)疑問(wèn)，紙面上的導(dǎo)彈的射程很重要，但還有許多其他因素更重要，以至于沒有人能在Quora上準(zhǔn)確地回答這個(gè)話題。
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I think manevourability of J-10 C is better than F-16. Also combat experience of a plane should be teached to pilots.
我認(rèn)為殲-10C的機(jī)動(dòng)性比F-16強(qiáng)。同樣，飛行員也應(yīng)該學(xué)習(xí)飛機(jī)的作戰(zhàn)經(jīng)驗(yàn)。
J10 should have better nose authority, while the F16 is an energy fighter.
J10應(yīng)該有更好的機(jī)頭指向能力，而F16是一款力量型戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。
Block 52 will equal with J-10C
Block 52等同于J-10C
Are you comparing a 1989 fighter jet with a 2024 fighter jet?
你在拿1989年的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)和2024年的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)作比較嗎？
“ The J-10C also has a lower radar cross-section than the F-16”
lix pls? Thanks!
“殲-10C的雷達(dá)反射橫截面也比F-16低”
請(qǐng)給鏈接？謝謝
No missile has better maneuverability than the AIM – 9X. Thank you for playing.
沒有款個(gè)導(dǎo)彈的機(jī)動(dòng)性比AIM-9X更好。謝謝你的表演。
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Brcke check out the F16 block 70
Brcke，看看F16 block 70
I'd bet that an F16 with the Have Glass treatment would have a lower RCS. Also the export version of PL-15 is about the same as AMRAAM C7. J10C is a pretty nice airplane but if I was going to war id take the F16 anyday. Uses almost all fighter launched NATO weapons and spare parts are everywhere. I agree pilot skill between these 2 would be the likely decider.
我敢打賭，經(jīng)過(guò)座艙玻璃處理的F16會(huì)有更低的反射截面。此外，PL-15的出口版本與AMRAAM C7大致相同。J10C是一架相當(dāng)不錯(cuò)的飛機(jī)，但如果我要參加戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，我會(huì)選擇F16。因?yàn)槭褂帽奔s戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)發(fā)射的武器和備件隨處可見。
我同意這兩款飛機(jī)之間，飛行員技能將是勝負(fù)的決定因素。