華為如何利用美國技術(shù)實現(xiàn)芯片突破,"美國制裁華為這么久,華為不僅沒有倒下,還在1萬多個零部件已經(jīng)實現(xiàn)國產(chǎn)化"
How Huawei's Chip Breakthrough Used US Tech | Bloomberg: The China Show 3/8/2024譯文簡介
3月11日,據(jù)彭博社報道稱,美國商務(wù)部長雷蒙多在對菲律賓進行正式訪問時對記者表示,美國可能會進一步加強對中國獲取先進半導體技術(shù)的能力?!泵绹诓粩嘣u估是否采取了足夠的措施來確保中國不能使用美國芯片和人工智能技術(shù)。“
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Thirty years ago, the US advocated "globalization" because US manufacturing was in an advantage.
Thirty years later, the US advocated "de-globalization" because US manufacturing was at a disadvantage.
Such double standards are shameless.
三十年前,美國倡導“全球化”,因為那時美國制造業(yè)占據(jù)優(yōu)勢地位。 三十年后,美國轉(zhuǎn)而提倡“去全球化”,原因在于美國制造業(yè)陷入了劣勢。 這種雙重標準真是無恥至極。
China should just make for any US company to tap on Chinese market must have their product component 100% sourced from Chinese suppliers to be sold in Chinese market. Let's see how they will react to it
中國應(yīng)該規(guī)定所有想進入中國市場運營的美國公司必須確保其產(chǎn)品組件100%由中國供應(yīng)商提供,才能在中國市場銷售??纯此麄儗Υ藭骱畏磻?yīng).
Chinese government must force all government officials and employees to buy Chinese cars and phones.
中國政府應(yīng)當強制要求所有政府官員和雇員購買國產(chǎn)汽車和手機。
What if the Chinese ban US from using Chinese tech? E.g. paper, ink, compass, ceramic
如果中國禁止美國使用中國科技會怎樣?比如紙張、墨水、指南針和陶瓷,哈哈哈哈哈。
Specifically, Needham's 100 inventions in ancient China contributed to the world and had a profound impact on mankind
具體來說,中國古代的100項發(fā)明對全世界做出了貢獻,并對人類社會產(chǎn)生了深遠影響。
currency etc etc - lol
還有貨幣等等——哈哈
Its not their fault,US sanctions were not strict enough,it can be easily accessed in black market.
這并不是他們的錯,美國的制裁不夠嚴格,很多東西在黑市上很容易就能獲取到。
USA wants to suppress China to stop its rise.
China have to bear the unbearable……and struggle hard.
Buy my monies is on China to eventually succeed.
China have to cut down on its spending and spend the money on r & d for tech.
China have to live bravely.
If they can’t breakthrough, they have only themselves to blame.
美國想通過壓制中國來阻止其崛起。
中國不得不承受難以忍受的壓力,并且要努力奮斗。
但我相信最終中國會成功。
中國需要減少不必要的開支,并將資金投入到技術(shù)研發(fā)中。
中國必須勇敢地生存下去。
如果無法突破技術(shù)封鎖,只能怪自己。
Then when local companies replace Lam and Applied M - what will anyone have to say ???
那么,當本土企業(yè)取代了Lam和Applied Materials等公司時,大家又會說些什么呢?
C** must forbid the Chinese Civil servant to stop using the iPhones which is An American spying agent
中國必須禁止中國公務(wù)員使用iPhone,因為它是美國的間諜工具
They already did that.
他們已經(jīng)這么做了。
who tell you that? your fake news?
誰告訴你的?假新聞吧?
no way, if our country did that, ppl will likely buy iPhone from oversea, tbh they cant leaving iPhone
不可能的,如果中國這樣做的話,人們很可能會從海外購買iPhone。說實話,很多人離不開iPhone。
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the Chinese have said over and over again, they do not care about the stock market. they are focused on common prosperity and an economy that is based on improving the standard of living of the Chinese, not a casino for western speculation and gambling.
中國人一再強調(diào),他們并不在乎股市。他們關(guān)注的是共同富裕和一個旨在提高中國人民生活水平的經(jīng)濟體系,而不是西方投機賭博的賭場。
Used US tech ,of course..... and made it better than any US tech!!!
當然使用了美國技術(shù),并且將其做得比任何美國技術(shù)都要出色!
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Lololol y’all worried about 7nm chips, we are producing 3nm chips, China can have old tech
哈哈,你們還在擔心7納米芯片,我們已經(jīng)開始生產(chǎn)3納米芯片了,讓中國保留那些舊技術(shù)好了。
*Taiwan is producing them. Not the US
是臺灣在生產(chǎn)這些芯片,不是美國。
what will usa do with those 3 nm chips produced.i mean in which product produced in usa and in how much quantity usa will use those chips
但是,美國會如何使用這些3納米芯片呢?我的意思是,在哪些美國生產(chǎn)的產(chǎn)品中以及以何種數(shù)量來使用這些芯片?
臺灣是在為西方國家生產(chǎn)這些芯片,而不是為中國。
America is. Coping soooo badly. How pathetic
美國現(xiàn)在的應(yīng)對真是糟糕透頂,太可悲了
yeah it is sad and pathetic
的確很可悲和可憐
Samsung AI-powered phone technologies make the Huawei Mate 60 look like a museum version. LoL
- They are at least 8 years apart.
三星的人工智能驅(qū)動手機技術(shù)讓華為Mate 60看起來就像博物館里的老古董一樣。哈哈
它們在技術(shù)水平上至少相差8年左右。
its the gap between Google and huawei not samsung and Huawei, but honestly nobody needs a phone doesn't have google apps.
目前的主要差距在于谷歌與華為,但說實話,現(xiàn)在沒有多少人會需要一臺不支持谷歌應(yīng)用的手機。
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samsung will be wiped out soon by huawei. just watch it
三星很快會被華為淘汰,走著瞧吧!
no way, the chance is like moon land on the earth lol, or samsung will wipe out only in China but not anywhere else lol, no way
不可能的,這種可能性就像月亮掉到地球上一樣渺茫,或者三星只會在中國被淘汰,但在其他任何地方都不可能。根本沒戲!
I still have PTSD from Samsung's exploding phones and washing machines. Welp!
我至今仍對三星爆炸手機和洗衣機事件心有余悸,唉!
if I was rich I definitely bought Samsung S24 for AI experience
如果我很有錢的話,我肯定會為了體驗AI而購買三星S24。
Aren't you afraid of the S24 going rogue, flirt text your ex-girl friend and send a message to your wife? Just to get back at you for keep butt-dailing random people.. I won't be buying Samsung AI phone anytime soon.
我擔心S24手機的人工智能功能可能會出現(xiàn)問題,比如擅自給我的前女友發(fā)曖昧信息,或者向我妻子發(fā)送錯誤消息來報復(fù)我總是不小心撥錯電話。所以短期內(nèi)我不打算購買三星的AI手機。
I think that live translate functionality in S24 is super cool, i was amazed by its incredibility.
我覺得S24中的實時翻譯功能超級酷,其驚人準確性讓我感到驚訝。
(Long) This is how Huawei produced its 7nm Kirin 9000 chips via SMIC for its Mate 60 Pro:
- SMIC managed to tweak the DUV chipmaking machines that were designed to produce more mature nodes,14nm and up, to produce a chip that has a similar performance of 7nm chips.Therefore, Kirin 9000S is not a true 7nm but a 14nm one.
- China is free to buy the simpler DUV machines from the Dutch company ASML but curbed from buying more advanced EUV lithography machines.
- The tweak of the DUV machines causes it to be inefficient, giving a low yield rate at 20% to 50% per waffer, compared to 90% of the EUV.
- The process only produces 50% or less the number of useable chips per waffer. The rest is thown away. As a result, it costs a lot more on a per chip basis, in addition to higher battery consumption.
- Huawei is currently selling its phone at a loss because of expensive chips inside.
- With this, China has made limited progress, but far from a breakthrough in the chip-making industry.
- SK Hynix, a Korean firm, said the Mate 60 contains 2 of its prohibited memory chips.
- How long Huawei or SMIC can absorb the loss is still a question provided they are unfairly heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.
- One thing for certain: the US will broaden hasher tech restrictions and plug any loopholes that Chinese firms are exploring.
Netherlands has said it will impose export control to limit SMIC's access to more DUV machines.
SK Hynix would never sell its memory chips to Huawei, which is in the US blacklist.
華為如何通過中芯國際為Mate 60 Pro生產(chǎn)7納米麒麟9000芯片:
- 中芯國際成功調(diào)整了原本設(shè)計用于生產(chǎn)14納米及以上成熟節(jié)點芯片的深紫外(DUV)光刻機,使其能夠制造出性能接近7納米芯片的產(chǎn)品。因此,麒麟9000S并非真正的7納米芯片,而是基于14納米技術(shù)的。
- 中國可以自由購買荷蘭ASML公司的較簡單DUV機器,但被限制購買更先進的極紫外光刻(EUV)設(shè)備。
- 調(diào)整后的DUV機器效率低下,每片晶圓的良品率僅為20%至50%,而EUV工藝能達到約90%。
- 這個過程導致每片晶圓上可用的芯片數(shù)量減半或更低,其余部分報廢。因此,在單個芯片的基礎(chǔ)上成本大幅增加,并且電池消耗也更高。
- 華為目前因內(nèi)部昂貴芯片的原因,正在以虧損狀態(tài)銷售手機。
- 盡管如此,中國在芯片制造行業(yè)取得了一定進展,但仍遠未達到突破性成果。
- 韓國SK海力士公司表示,Mate 60搭載了其被禁售的兩款內(nèi)存芯片。
- 在中國政府不公平的高額補貼下,華為或中芯國際能承受多久這樣的虧損仍然是個問題。
- 可以肯定的是,美國將進一步強化科技限制措施,堵住中國公司在探索利用的所有漏洞。
- 荷蘭已宣布將實施出口管制,限制中芯國際獲得更多DUV機器。
- SK海力士由于華為被列入美國黑名單,理論上不會向華為出售其內(nèi)存芯片。
Great Huawei selling at a loss they sold 30 million smartphones last year with another targeting 70 million this year. China must be damm rich to be able to subsidise so many phones at a loss.
華為以虧損狀態(tài)銷售手機還能賣出那么多,去年賣出了3000萬部智能手機,今年更是瞄準了7000萬的銷量。中國一定非常富有,才能承受補貼這么多虧本出售的手機。
You are making the Indian want to be an Arab jealous.
你這么說讓印度人想要成為阿拉伯人都嫉妒不已。
Poor China is really using the taxpayers' money including the 2 trillion yuan it uses to prop up the stock market.
可憐的中國真的在用納稅人的錢,包括用來支撐股市的那2萬億元人民幣。
China is investing for the future. Only shortsighted people think that China is proving up the stock market.
中國是在為未來投資。只有目光短淺的人才會認為中國只是在救市。
Lol, did you not know government buying the stocks is just a short-term fix?
哈哈,你不知道政府購買股票只是短期應(yīng)急措施嗎?
Like I said only short sighted people like you see it as saving the stock market. This is an investment ever heard of company stock buyback similar reason. It’s an investment.
就像我說的,只有像你這樣目光短淺的人會將其視為單純救市。這是一項投資,聽說過公司回購自家股票嗎?背后的邏輯是相似的,這是一種投資行為。
聽起來很懂,其實一點都不懂中國和華為的運作方式
the entire US system is built for propping up the US stock market
整個美國體系都是為了支撐美國股市而建立的。
so basically conjecture because you don't really know... typical
所以基本上這是推測,因為你并不真正了解……典型的主觀臆斷。
Don't be silly. You can only prop up the stock market for a short time.
別傻了。股市只能短期支撐,長期是不行的。
Are you sure that Huawei can break through the advanced semiconductor process restrictions and mass production? Without products, it seems that everything is a dream, and the dream is not a reality.
你確定華為能夠突破先進半導體工藝限制并實現(xiàn)量產(chǎn)嗎?沒有實際產(chǎn)品的話,一切就像是個夢想,而夢想終究不是現(xiàn)實。
The United States sanctioned Huawei for so long, Huawei not only did not fall, but also in more than 10,000 parts have been localized.
美國制裁華為這么久,華為不僅沒有倒下,還在1萬多個零部件已經(jīng)實現(xiàn)國產(chǎn)化。