網(wǎng)友熱議：如果連彈丸小國(guó)以色列都可以抵御無(wú)人機(jī)、彈道導(dǎo)彈和巡航導(dǎo)彈等300多件武器，怎么超級(jí)大國(guó)俄羅斯連幾架無(wú)人機(jī)都抵御不了呢？

Philip Yap
Iran’s retaliations were mainly on pre-determined military targets, Iran had informed before the attacks. The attacks were predominately on the Israel inteligent unit at boarder with Syria, the other target was the Israel F-35 depot.
Israel did not took down the 300 attacks by itself, the US and it's allies in the vicinity had helped intercepted more than 50% of the attack missiles and drones.
The Iran missiles and drones werre not the most advanced in the markets. They were relatively easy to intercept by Israel, US and allies defend systems.
The message is Iran had set precedent, and consider exceptional success as it had successfully reached Israel mainland. Iran had successfully landed not less than 9 missiles on Israel, it shown to the Arab or Middle East world, US and western world Iran is capable, can and will if provocated attack Israel.
Russia did have missile defend capability, but Russia is a big country, do have weak spots, no country can defend every square meter of its land under advanced missile attacks.

伊朗的報(bào)復(fù)行動(dòng)主要針對(duì)預(yù)先確定的軍事目標(biāo)，伊朗在襲擊前已通知過(guò)。攻擊的主要目標(biāo)是位于敘利亞邊境的以色列情報(bào)機(jī)構(gòu)，另一個(gè)目標(biāo)是以色列F-35戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)停機(jī)坪。
以色列無(wú)法獨(dú)自擊落全部300次襲擊，美國(guó)及其周邊盟友協(xié)助攔截了超過(guò)50%的攻擊導(dǎo)彈和無(wú)人機(jī)。
伊朗的導(dǎo)彈和無(wú)人機(jī)并不是市場(chǎng)上最先進(jìn)的。它們相對(duì)于以色列、美國(guó)和盟友的防御系統(tǒng)來(lái)說(shuō)相對(duì)容易被攔截。
伊朗此舉樹(shù)立了先例，并認(rèn)為這是一次非凡的成功，因?yàn)樗麄兂晒Φ匾u擊了以色列本土。伊朗至少有9枚導(dǎo)彈成功落在以色列，這向阿拉伯世界或中東世界、美國(guó)和西方世界展示了伊朗有能力、可以并且會(huì)在受到挑釁時(shí)攻擊以色列。
俄羅斯確實(shí)擁有導(dǎo)彈防御能力，但俄羅斯幅員遼闊，也存在弱點(diǎn)，沒(méi)有哪個(gè)國(guó)家能夠在先進(jìn)導(dǎo)彈襲擊下防御每一寸領(lǐng)土。

Kanthaswamy Balasubramaniam
Israel is 21000 Sq Kms in Size
It needs a mere 20 Latest Satellites to cover every inch of territory and a further 100 kms in every direction
The Missiles and Drones came from a distance of almost 1100–1400 Kms which means at 180 kph, this meant at least 7 1/2 hours of travel time for Drones and 48 minutes for the Ballistic Missiles


以色列的面積是21000平方公里
只需要20顆最新的衛(wèi)星就能覆蓋以色列的每一寸領(lǐng)土，并還能往各個(gè)方向再擴(kuò)展100公里。
這些導(dǎo)彈和無(wú)人機(jī)來(lái)自1100-1400公里之外的距離，意味著時(shí)速高達(dá)180公里，意味著無(wú)人機(jī)的飛行時(shí)間至少長(zhǎng)達(dá)7個(gè)半小時(shí)，彈道導(dǎo)彈的飛行時(shí)間也長(zhǎng)達(dá)48分鐘。

Moscow regions and the Western Russia alone is 4.45 Million Square Kilometres
You need 4000 Satellites to cover every inch of Western Russia alone
You have 506 Satellites
That's 12.50% Coverage
Early warning, AWACS are all way below when it comes to minute by minute advance surveillance compared to satellites
Plus the Missiles and Drones come from distances of 65–200 Kilometers
That's a mere 18 minutes to 2 1/2 hours of flying time

僅莫斯科地區(qū)和俄羅斯西部就有445萬(wàn)平方公里
需要4000顆衛(wèi)星來(lái)覆蓋俄羅斯西部的每一寸土地
但你只有506顆衛(wèi)星
只能覆蓋12.5%的土地
與衛(wèi)星相比，預(yù)警機(jī)在預(yù)先監(jiān)視方面遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)落后
此外，導(dǎo)彈和無(wú)人機(jī)來(lái)自65-200公里之外的距離
飛行時(shí)間只有18分鐘到兩個(gè)半小時(shí)

Plus the Drones are launched in Civilian Areas
If you can jam them before they are within 4 Kms Radius, which Russia does with 90% Drones, that's effective and the only damage would be when the drone falls down and causes debris to fall and injure/kill 3–4 people
IMAGINE HITTING THEM WITH AN AD MISSILE?
The Damage would be ten times more

而且無(wú)人機(jī)是在平民區(qū)發(fā)射的
如果你能在它們進(jìn)入4公里半徑之前攔截成功—俄羅斯可以攔截90%的無(wú)人機(jī)，就是有效攔截，唯一的損失就是無(wú)人機(jī)墜落時(shí)的碎片可能會(huì)造成3-4人的傷亡。
想象一下用防空導(dǎo)彈襲擊這些無(wú)人機(jī)？
損失將達(dá)到十倍以上
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So if you couldn't detect and jam them, the best course is to let them in and hit them with jamming within the civilian perimeter and absorb the explosive damage of the payload
For Missiles it's even faster
At 200 Kms distance, a Missile takes 2 to 3 minutes to hit the target
If you can't anticipate the launch, you ideally don't have enough time to intercept
The key is watching for any potential launch that gives you 7–10 minutes to anticipate the trajectory and allow AD a good chance for interception

所以如果你無(wú)法探測(cè)和干擾它們，最好的方法就是把它們放進(jìn)來(lái)，在民用區(qū)域內(nèi)進(jìn)行干擾，消除有效載荷的爆炸傷害
對(duì)于導(dǎo)彈來(lái)說(shuō)，這么做更快
對(duì)于200公里的距離，導(dǎo)彈需要2 ~ 3分鐘才能擊中目標(biāo)
如果你不能預(yù)測(cè)導(dǎo)彈發(fā)射，你就沒(méi)有足夠的時(shí)間進(jìn)行攔截
最重要的事是要監(jiān)測(cè)一切有可能的武器發(fā)射，預(yù)留7-10分鐘的時(shí)間來(lái)預(yù)測(cè)彈道，給防空系統(tǒng)提供很好的攔截機(jī)會(huì)
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Russia does this 85% of the time
Russia once had 1 Satellite to cover Crimea
Now it has 4 Satellites
Launch speeds of SCALP and Storm Shadows are now easily tackled
Yet Taurus would get through and that would need more adjustments

俄羅斯在85%的時(shí)間都是這么做的
俄羅斯曾經(jīng)只有1顆衛(wèi)星覆蓋克里米亞
現(xiàn)在它已經(jīng)有4顆衛(wèi)星了
SCALP導(dǎo)彈和Storm Shadows導(dǎo)彈的發(fā)射速度現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)很容易應(yīng)對(duì)了
但金牛座巡航導(dǎo)彈會(huì)躲過(guò)攔截，需要進(jìn)行更多調(diào)整
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Russia is too large and easier to miss missiles than the much smaller Israel
Yet if a 200,000 army decides to March on Tel Aviv, Israel would be occupied in 4 days even with the bravest fighting.

俄羅斯太大了，比面積小得多的以色列更容易錯(cuò)過(guò)導(dǎo)彈
但如果20萬(wàn)大軍真的進(jìn)軍特拉維夫，即便以色列進(jìn)行最勇敢的反抗，也會(huì)在4天內(nèi)被成功占領(lǐng)。
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Tim Rutkevich
First, being small has its advantages, you can defend it with just few assets. Second, Israel spend 1.2 Billions USD of missiles to shoot down somewhere 60 millions USD projectiles. Lastly, Iran did not use the latest and greatest missiles against Israel. That was very measured retaliation against only military tactics. Next salvo may be much greater and much more lethal. Especially given the fact that Iran has given warning of attack, and now knows where the radar installations are. Without warning and hitting all radar installation, and depleted stock of air defense missiles Israel will have very hard time.
Russia has a huge territory. Ukrainians can operate in Russia without any issues.
Can you imagine if some terrorists smuggle some drones through the border and use those drones to attach American infrastructure? It will be very easy to do.

首先，規(guī)模小有規(guī)模小的優(yōu)勢(shì)，只需要很少的資產(chǎn)就能保護(hù)它。其次，以色列用12億美元的導(dǎo)彈擊落了6000萬(wàn)美元的導(dǎo)彈。
最后，伊朗也并沒(méi)有對(duì)以色列使用最新最強(qiáng)的導(dǎo)彈。這是伊朗對(duì)以色列軍事手段的非常謹(jǐn)慎的報(bào)復(fù)。
下一次導(dǎo)彈齊射可能會(huì)規(guī)模更大，也更致命。尤其是鑒于伊朗已經(jīng)發(fā)出了進(jìn)攻警告，現(xiàn)在也知道了雷達(dá)裝置設(shè)在哪里。
如果沒(méi)有預(yù)警，沒(méi)能打擊所有雷達(dá)裝置并耗盡防空導(dǎo)彈，以色列會(huì)非常非常艱難。
俄羅斯幅員遼闊。烏克蘭人可以毫無(wú)問(wèn)題地在俄羅斯開(kāi)展行動(dòng)。
如果有些恐怖分子偷運(yùn)一些無(wú)人機(jī)通過(guò)邊境，并用這些無(wú)人機(jī)攻擊美國(guó)的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施，你敢想象嗎？但這其實(shí)很容易做到。

Ridzwan Abdul Rahman
Israel could not defend itself against the Iranian attack. Even with help from US and Jordan, Iranian missiles managed to hit Israel.
Iran did not even really attack Israel to cause damage. They simply wanted to warn Israel that they have the means to bypass the Israel iron dome air defence system if they choose to attack in future.
(This is one reason why the US wants to get rid of TikTok - it tells the truth that the US tries to hide).

以色列無(wú)法抵御伊朗的襲擊。就算有美國(guó)和約旦的幫助，伊朗的導(dǎo)彈也還是成功擊中了以色列。
伊朗甚至并沒(méi)有真的對(duì)以色列發(fā)起進(jìn)攻，制造嚴(yán)重?fù)p害。他們只是想警告以色列，如果他們未來(lái)真的發(fā)動(dòng)攻擊，他們也有辦法繞過(guò)以色列的鐵穹防空系統(tǒng)。
這是美國(guó)想要解決TikTok的原因之一—這個(gè)平臺(tái)披露了美國(guó)試圖隱藏的真相

Nameless
The difference is “Israel” actually couldn't do shit against Iranian missiles.
While Russia can and shoots down most, if not all, Ukro-nazi drones.

不同之處在于，以色列對(duì)伊朗的導(dǎo)彈其實(shí)毫無(wú)招架之力。
但俄羅斯可以擊落大部分(就算做不到全部擊落)烏克蘭納粹的無(wú)人機(jī)。

Tony Tan
Because Israel is as stupid as a donkey. Iran used a couple of millions$ worth of toy drones and old missiles to force Israel to spend billions$ of air defense.

因?yàn)橐陨斜康酶^驢一樣。伊朗使用的是價(jià)值僅數(shù)百萬(wàn)美元的玩具無(wú)人機(jī)和舊導(dǎo)彈，但成功迫使以色列花費(fèi)數(shù)十億美元用于空中防御。
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Adam Roach
Scale and competency.
The Israelis are defending a much smaller space with more experienced troops.
Israel also got help from the U.S.,UK and Jordan.
Russia is defending a massive space with less advanced equipment using less experienced troops who are not infrequently conscxts.

規(guī)模和能力。
以色列用經(jīng)驗(yàn)更豐富的軍隊(duì)保衛(wèi)一個(gè)更小的國(guó)家。
以色列還得到了美國(guó)、英國(guó)和約旦等國(guó)的幫助。
俄羅斯用不太先進(jìn)的裝備和經(jīng)驗(yàn)不足的部隊(duì)保衛(wèi)大片領(lǐng)土，這些部隊(duì)經(jīng)常被征召入伍。

There is another issue too.
Iran launched hundreds of Shaheed drones from almost a thousand miles away. These drones are not fast. So Israel and its partners had about three hours to intercept.
It’s likely that Ukrainian special operations teams are sneaking into Russia and launching from less than a hundred miles away. Making intercepts harder.

還有另一個(gè)問(wèn)題。
伊朗從近一千英里外發(fā)射了數(shù)百架沙希德無(wú)人機(jī)。這些無(wú)人機(jī)速度并不快。因此，以色列及盟軍有大約三個(gè)小時(shí)的時(shí)間進(jìn)行攔截。
烏克蘭特別行動(dòng)小組很可能潛入俄羅斯，從不到一百英里的地方發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈，使得攔截難度陡增。

Now why the Iranians did this might not be incompetence as some will state. Rather this was a face saving attack, en masse, that could be intercepted allowing Israel to take a win and then deescalate.
Iran doesn’t really want a direct war with Israel due to its inability to project total force. The same is true of Israel. Neither country has Expeditionary capability. Their militaries are set up for defensive schemes and perimeter offensive assaults.

現(xiàn)在，伊朗人這么做的原因可能并不是有些人所說(shuō)的無(wú)能。相反，這是一次挽回顏面的大規(guī)模攻擊，可以被攔截，讓以色列取得勝利，然后讓局勢(shì)得到緩和。
伊朗并不想跟以色列爆發(fā)直接戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，因?yàn)樗鼪](méi)有能力投入所有作戰(zhàn)能力。以色列也是如此。這兩個(gè)國(guó)家都沒(méi)有遠(yuǎn)征的能力。他們的軍隊(duì)只是為了防御計(jì)劃和外圍進(jìn)攻而組建的。

That massive desert between the two countries makes direct conflict incredibly difficult. It’s also geopolitically provocative and could draw other, currently uninvolved states into a conflict. Iraq, the Saudis and the Emiratis. Syria is staying silent on this.
The Iron Done network in Israel is essentially the best Air Defense system in the world right now. It can take out everything from mortars to ballistic missiles.

兩國(guó)之間廣袤的沙漠讓雙方難以發(fā)生直接沖突。雙方在地緣政治上也具有挑釁性，可能會(huì)將其他觀望中的國(guó)家卷入沖突。比如伊拉克，沙特阿拉伯和阿聯(lián)酋。敘利亞則對(duì)此保持沉默。
以色列的鐵穹系統(tǒng)其實(shí)是目前全球最好的防空系統(tǒng)了，可以摧毀從迫擊炮到彈道導(dǎo)彈的一切武器。

Russian systems are designed to deal with big NATO based intruders. Planes and cruise missiles, not small drones. It’s a solid and robust system but not built for what the Ukrainians are doing. The Ukrainians are also originally, Russian trained and have a very good understanding of how Russian AD works.
Ever since the 91’ Gulf War, where Iraqi forces fired Soviet Era SCUD Missiles at Israel, the Israelis have poured huge resources into the development of Iron Dome. To the point that the U.S. has toyed with adopting it ; it incorporates the U.S. Based Patriot system into it, a derivative at least but, it does more in one integrated network system.

俄羅斯防空系統(tǒng)的設(shè)計(jì)目的是對(duì)付來(lái)自北約的大型入侵者，比如飛機(jī)和巡航導(dǎo)彈，并非小型無(wú)人機(jī)。這是一個(gè)堅(jiān)實(shí)而強(qiáng)大的體系，不是為了烏克蘭人的軍事行動(dòng)而打造的。烏克蘭人最初接受的也是俄羅斯的訓(xùn)練，對(duì)俄羅斯的防空系統(tǒng)十分熟悉。
自從1991年海灣戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)以來(lái)，伊拉克軍隊(duì)向以色列發(fā)射了蘇聯(lián)時(shí)代的飛毛腿導(dǎo)彈，以色列投入了大量資源開(kāi)發(fā)鐵穹系統(tǒng)，甚至美國(guó)也開(kāi)始考慮采用這個(gè)系統(tǒng)；它兼容了美國(guó)的愛(ài)國(guó)者系統(tǒng)，至少是一個(gè)衍生品，但它在綜合網(wǎng)絡(luò)系統(tǒng)中的作用更大。
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Saturday’s attack was also countered by fighter interceptors, well outside of the Iron Dome’s range. This is something the Jordanians have been practicing. This is also a job the F-35’s were built for and they might have had a big impact here.
Israel and Russia are two different types of wars with two different types of challenges. Each dealing with very different types of equipment.
Bottom line though, Israel has been preparing for a drone swarm attack for at least a decade longer than anyone else. That preparation has paid off.

周六的襲擊也遭到了戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)攔截機(jī)的反擊，這些攔截機(jī)遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超出了鐵穹的射程。這是約旦人一直在試驗(yàn)的。這也是美國(guó)打造F-35的目的，它們也許發(fā)揮了很大的影響。
以色列和俄羅斯經(jīng)歷的是兩種完全不同的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)，面臨著兩種完全不同的挑戰(zhàn)。分別涉及不同類(lèi)型的武器裝備。
但以色列為發(fā)動(dòng)無(wú)人機(jī)群進(jìn)攻而準(zhǔn)備的時(shí)間至少比其他國(guó)家都要長(zhǎng)上10年。他們的準(zhǔn)備得到了回報(bào)。

Alex Korolev
The area of Israel is 22,145 km2, the area of Russia without new regions is 17,100,000 km2. The area of the Bryansk region where I live is 34,857 km2 and it is the 62nd largest Russian region.
The attack was announced in advance, its direction was known, and the American and British Air Forces helped repel it. The numbers of downed missiles and drones recorded by Israel seem unrealistic to me.
Just the facts.

以色列的面積為22,145平方公里，俄羅斯不算新區(qū)的面積已達(dá)17100000平方公里。我居住的布良斯克地區(qū)面積為34857平方公里，在俄羅斯排第62位。
這次襲擊是事先預(yù)告過(guò)的，進(jìn)攻方向也提前知道，美國(guó)和英國(guó)空軍幫助以色列擊退了此次進(jìn)攻。以色列擊落的導(dǎo)彈和無(wú)人機(jī)的數(shù)量在我看來(lái)很不現(xiàn)實(shí)。
我說(shuō)的就是事實(shí)。

Dominic Gallagher
Israel did have some help from the US, UK and France as well as neighbours like Jordan. A related question is why can’t these countries also defend Ukraine from the same Iranian made drones Russia is using….

以色列確實(shí)得到了美國(guó)、英國(guó)、法國(guó)以及約旦等鄰國(guó)的幫助。對(duì)此有一個(gè)關(guān)聯(lián)問(wèn)題，為什么這些國(guó)家不能也出手保護(hù)保護(hù)烏克蘭，讓烏克蘭免受俄羅斯使用的伊朗制造的無(wú)人機(jī)的襲擊呢....