網(wǎng)友討論：在東亞的西方乞討者
Why would someone go on a vacation and not bring enough money with them?
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在亞洲有一種現(xiàn)象，叫西方乞討者。我上周在粉嶺就看到了一個。他拿著一塊乞討的牌子……
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Why would someone go on a vacation and not bring enough money with them?
為什么有人去度假卻不帶足夠的錢？
為什么有人去度假卻不帶足夠的錢？
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I don’t know.
There’s a phenomenon in Asia of western beg packers. I saw one in Fanling of all places last week. He held up a sign begging for money…
我不知道。
在亞洲有一種現(xiàn)象，叫西方乞討者。我上周在粉嶺就看到了一個。他拿著一塊乞討的牌子……
Why do they do it?
Because apparently people in Asia are suckers and there’s enough people who give them money to make it worthwhile… instead of kicking the shit out of them.
Secondly immigration officers aren’t strict enough in many places. When I went to Russia? When I applied for a visa I had to give them 1 year of bank statements. I had to prove I had at least $150USD for each day I intended to be there for.
For some reason many countries don’t do this for some reason.
Back in the 2010s to my chagrin I met an idiot who thought he could live like a King in Hong Kong for ￡1 a day. I met him on the airplane as I was going to the toilet.
Similarly there was a dine and dash in Wanchai a couple years back a bunch of French tourists the most common comment was I can buy the entire restaurant for $10.
他們?yōu)槭裁催@么做？
很明顯，因為亞洲人都是傻瓜，有足夠多的人給他們錢，而不是把他們踢出去，這讓他們覺得這是值得做的……
其次，許多地方管理移民的官員不夠嚴(yán)格。我去俄羅斯的時候，當(dāng)我申請簽證時，我必須給他們一年的銀行對賬單。我必須證明我打算去那里的每一天都至少有150美元可以消費。
許多國家出于某種原因不這樣做。
說回2010年，我倒霉的碰到一個白癡，他以為每天1英鎊就能在香港過上國王般的生活。我在飛機上上廁所時遇到了他。
同樣，幾年前在灣仔用餐的時候，也發(fā)生了一次碰撞，一群法國游客，他們最常見的話是，我可以花10美元買下整個餐廳。
Most western travelers aren’t going to need a visa for the great majority of countries. That’s what allows them to get away with this.
對于絕大多數(shù)國家來說，大多數(shù)西方旅行者不需要簽證。這就是他們能夠逃脫懲罰的原因。
Not really “get away with”.
Say, you are in some strange country, you need $800 to buy a ticket home. You now have enough money for 2 more hotel nights. No money to eat. Can you beg for $800 in 2 days? And after 2 days you are totally homeless.
The local people can give you a few dollars. But definitely not enough for an $800 for an air ticket.
This is highly stressful and embarrassing.
不是真正的“逃脫懲罰”。
比方說，你在一個陌生的國家，你需要800美元才能買到回家的機票。您現(xiàn)在的錢只夠在酒店再住兩晚，然后就沒錢吃飯了。你能在兩天內(nèi)乞討到800美元嗎？兩天后你就完全無家可歸了。
當(dāng)?shù)厝丝梢越o你幾美元。但對于一張800美元的機票來說，這絕對不夠。
這是非常緊張和尷尬的情況。
I can’t say this is a situation I would want to end up in - you are right. If say, you’re travelling through Bali, trying to work there - not going to happen - you’ll either fall foul of the authorities and/or never save enough for that ticket home because local wages to wAsh Dishes or wait tables wouldn’t be enough. That’s if a local would employ you in the first place.
But if this was a genuine case of being “caught short.” Why wouldn’t you call home to your friends and family? I’d rather have that embarrassing conversation than put out a begging bowl to continue a lifestyle that the people around me typically could only dream of.
我想說，我絕對不想要這樣的結(jié)果——你是對的。
如果你在巴厘島旅行，試圖在那里工作——這是不可能的——你可能會與當(dāng)?shù)氐墓芾頇C構(gòu)發(fā)生沖突，可能無法存夠回家的機票錢，因為在當(dāng)?shù)叵赐牖蜃龇?wù)員的工資是不夠的。如果當(dāng)?shù)厝嗽敢夤蛡蚰愕脑挕?br /> 這是一個真正的“捉襟見肘”的案列。你為什么不給家里的朋友和家人打電話呢？我寧愿進行那種尷尬的對話，也不愿拿出乞討的碗來繼續(xù)這樣的生活，盡管這是我周圍人通常只能夢想的生活方式。
The best way would be to go to the Embassy of your country (hopefully there is one).
The embassy will certainly do something to help their own citizen out. Hopefully you do not lie to them about the fake dilemma to get a free ticket home. This would ruin it for many people with genuine emergencies.
最好的辦法是去你國家的大使館（希望那里有）。
大使館肯定會做些什么來幫助他們自己的公民。希望你不要為了得到一張免費回家的機票而對他們?nèi)鲋e。這將毀掉許多真正有緊急情況的人的生活。
The embassy would probably help you out if you have had everything stolen and get you on your way with a new passport. The Australian embassy would probably get you on the next flight home if you wanted it, but don’t be surprised to see a bill for the ticket when you got home.
如果你的所有東西都被偷了，大使館可能會幫你，讓你帶著新護照上路。如果你想的話，澳大利亞大使館可能會讓你搭乘下一班回國的航班，但當(dāng)你回家時，看到機票賬單也不要感到驚訝。
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The U.S. even charges people for the charter flights that it arranges to evacuate from countries that suddenly become dangerous. It’s much wiser to book a commercial flight home, at any cost, using a credit card.
從突然變得危險的國家撤離時，美國甚至?xí)蚰闶杖“鼨C費用。不管怎么說，用信用卡預(yù)定回國的商業(yè)航班要明智得多。
You will be surprised how these spontaneous travelers would have maxed out their credit cards the very first round. Because that’s the easiest thing to do: you just swipe the card.
你會感到驚訝的是，這些心血來潮的旅行者會在第一輪就刷爆他們的信用卡。因為這是最簡單的事情：你只要需刷卡。
The US embassy will always get you a ticket home if you really need it. They will always send you a bill though and if you don’t pay it they’ll just confiscate it from your earnings or future tax returns.
如果你真的需要，美國大使館會給你一張回家的機票。不過，他們會給你寄一張賬單，如果你不付款，他們會從你的收入或未來的納稅申報單中沒收這筆錢。
These assholes have parents they can call anytime it stops being fun who will “rescue” them with a plane ticket.
這些混蛋有父母，他們隨時可以打電話給他們，讓他們用機票“營救”他們。
Irrelevant, you don’t go on vacation with a one way ticket you buy a return ticket when you plan it out. This is a dumb excuse and doesn’t make any sense at all.
無關(guān)緊要，你不會帶著單程票去度假——當(dāng)你計劃好的時候，你會買回程票。這是一個愚蠢的借口，毫無道理可言。
Some people aren’t very smart. They also don’t think “vacation” like normal folks.
Normal people have their 8–5 jobs that is very hard to get days off (depending on which jobs of course). So when you apply for 8 days off, they would expect you to show up to work on the 9th day. So your vacation is very concise, time wise.
These backpackers are free spirited people who… just think about going, and “l(fā)et god/luck decide their adventure”. They only see one step ahead of them. They want to solve problems as they come. Very adventurous.
Except in the real world, things often don’t happen like folk's tales or movies.
有些人不是很聰明。他們也不像普通人那樣認知“度假”。
普通人有5天8小時的工作，很難休息（當(dāng)然取決于你是做什么的）。因此，當(dāng)你申請8天假期時，他們希望你在第9天上班。所以你的假期非常簡潔，時間明確。
這些背包客都是自由奔放的人，他們只是想到處跑，然后“讓上帝/運氣決定他們的冒險”。他們只看到了前方的第一步。他們想解決問題。非常有冒險精神。
但在現(xiàn)實世界中，事情通常不會像民間故事或電影里發(fā)生的那樣。
Interestingly a white woman came to Nigeria hoping to survive on 100$, that did not work out as plan and if not locals she would have starve to death
有趣的是，一名白人婦女來到尼日利亞，希望能靠100美元生存，但事情并沒有按計劃進行，如果不是當(dāng)?shù)厝?，她可能會餓死。
Mamy are backward enough to not know they living cost of the country they want to visit.
很多人非常落后，他們不知道他們想去的國家的生活費用。
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That is the problem, and that how they get themselves in unnecessary situations they shouldn't be in
這就是問題所在，他們就是這樣讓自己陷入不必要的境地的。
Ok but Hong Kong is now less expensive than the USA
好吧，但香港的消費現(xiàn)在比美國便宜。
Yes, it’s less expensive, but it’s not $1 a day.
是的，它比較便宜，但不是每天1美元。
Yes and to think these people cannot even afford it when they have the strongest currency. Just shows white people being in the "first world" does not guarantee wealth.
是的，想想這些人，他們在擁有最強貨幣的情況下仍然會消費不起。這證明了白人生活在“第一世界”，并不能保證自己擁有財富。
We call them begpackers down here
在我們這兒，我們叫他們乞丐。
Either they are stupid or opportunist. You go to a country and and instead of contributing to their economy here you are begging for money to fund your global trip.
他們要么是愚蠢，要么是機會主義者。你去了一個國家，卻沒有在那里為他們的經(jīng)濟做出貢獻，而是通過乞討金錢，希望人們來資助你的全球旅行。
I say it’s just stupid all around. Being in foreign country is costly, because you can easily pay more for rent, and with nearly zero opportunities to have a decent income. So the more you drag out begging, the more you lose.
Unless some of these people figure out a way to make mad income in foreign countries, then they can do whatever they want.
我認為這就是太蠢了。在外國生活成本高昂，因為你可能很容易的就會支付更多的租金，而且?guī)缀鯖]有機會獲得體面的收入。所以，你越是拖延乞討，你失去的就越多。
除非這些人中的一些人有辦法在外國賺取讓人瘋狂的收入，那樣他們就可以為所欲為了。
No beg packers in Singapore. Begging is prohibited.
新加坡沒有乞討者。禁止乞討。
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And people say white privilege doesn’t exist…
還有人說白人特權(quán)不存在呢……
And some people bring up race for everything
還有人把什么事情都往種族上扯呢。
Begging is a privilege? Being a clueless idiot is definitely a privilege though, bestowed upon many people, white, black, brown, green, whatever.
乞討是一種特權(quán)嗎？不過，成為一個愚蠢的白癡絕對是一種特權(quán)，這種特別被賦予了許多人：白人、黑人、棕色人種、綠色人種等等。
Overseas travel is a privilege though. If you are from US/Canada, UK/EU, Aus/NZ you can pretty much travel the four corners of the globe, not needing to set foot in an embassy (physically or digitally) to get a tourist visa.
Begging to maintain access to that privilege is the height of entitlement.
不，出國旅行是一種特權(quán)。
如果你來自美國/加拿大、英國/歐盟、澳大利亞/新西蘭，你幾乎可以環(huán)游世界的每個角落，而不需要（實體或數(shù)字）進入大使館即可獲得旅游簽證。
用乞討來保持這種特權(quán)，是特權(quán)的最高境界。
That has nothing to do with being white though. All of the countries you mentioned have plenty of brown people and people of other ethnicities who enjoy exactly the same privileges given to them by the passports they hold.
不過，這與身為白人無關(guān)。你提到的那些國家，也有很多的棕色人種和其他種族的人，他們也享有與他們所持護照完全相同的特權(quán)。
Most people beg in their own countries and they do so for food. These people are begging for plane tickets…
大多數(shù)人都是在自己的國家乞討，他們乞討的是食物。而這些人在乞求飛機票……
I’m not saying this is in any way acceptable. I would never give any money to any of those begpackers, imo they should be deported immediately from whatever country they’re begging in. Should probably be put in immigration jail until they can pay for a plane ticket back home, or find someone willing to buy them one… Still doesn’t have anything to do with some hypothetic “white privilege” here.
從任何方面來說，我都不認為這是可以接受的。我永遠不會給這些乞討者任何錢，因為他們應(yīng)該立即被驅(qū)逐出他們在乞討的那個國家。他們也許應(yīng)該被關(guān)進移民監(jiān)獄，直到他們能夠支付回國的機票費用，或者找到愿意給他們買機票的人……這與你們假設(shè)的“白人特權(quán)”無關(guān)。
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Westerner here. If you are from a Western country, and you are willing to work, you will have more money to travel than any Asian person out there. We are richer and more developed. Plain and simple. Begpackers are hippie/leftie parasites, they CHOOSE to be “poor” and beg for money, cause they are too lazy to work and make money. I've never came across one, but they would get just insults from me. I'd rather throw my money down the drain.
我是一個西方人。如果你來自西方國家，并且你愿意工作，你將比任何亞洲人都有錢去旅行。我們更富有、更發(fā)達。簡單明了。
乞丐是嬉皮士/左派那種寄生蟲，他們選擇“貧窮”并乞討，因為他們懶得工作和賺錢。我從來沒有遇到過，如果我遇到他們，我會侮辱他們。我寧愿把錢浪費掉也不給他們。
Exactly! For me, having the ability to travel to most countries in the world as an Australian citizen, with limited scrutiny of my visa application by the authorities (if any visa at all) is a PRIVILEGE - imagine begging from people who will be lucky to leave their province, let alone the country.
I wouldn’t use “l(fā)eftie/hippie” labels to characterise the sort of people who beg on an international holiday - I would use the ENTITLED label. That what they are doing is an entitlement, not a privilege. You can be a leftie or rightie and be an entitled dickhead.
There’s plenty of stories from “hippy” communes where people would turn up expecting a lifestyle free of work and obligation, only to leave because the “alternate” way of living in fact, involves a lot of hard work and obligation.
確實！對我來說，我能夠以澳大利亞公民的身份，前往世界上大多數(shù)國家，而當(dāng)局對我的簽證申請只會進行有限的審查（如果有的話），這是一種特權(quán)——想象一下，那些有幸離開自己的省份的人去向人們乞討，更不用說有幸離開自己國家的人也向人們乞討。
我不會用“左派/嬉皮士”的標(biāo)簽，來描述那些在其他國家度假卻進行乞討的人——我會用完整的標(biāo)簽。他們所做的是一種權(quán)利，而不是特權(quán)。你可以是左派，也可以是右派，他們都有資格成為這種白癡。
有很多來自“嬉皮士”社區(qū)的故事，人們會期待一種沒有工作和義務(wù)的方式來生活，但他們最終卻離開了社區(qū)，因為事實上，“替代”的生活方式需要大量的辛勤工作和義務(wù)。
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I agree with the richer and more developed part, I disagree with the extent to which that is so. First off, there's heavy variation between countries and even the cities within, and I can guarantee to you that if ‘you simply work’ you won't be richer than even the top 20% of Asians. Yes, if you work a similar job in the West vs Asia (excluding Singapore and Hong Kong) you'll earn more in the West than in Asia, although this doesn't take into account the considerably greater living costs in the general West compared to Asia.
我同意西方更富裕和更發(fā)達，但我不同意你說的程度。
首先，國家之間甚至城市之間的差異很大，我可以向你保證，如果“你只是工作”，你甚至不會比最富有的20%的亞洲人更富有。
是的，如果你在西方和亞洲（不包括新加坡和香港地區(qū)）做類似的工作，你在西方的收入會比在亞洲高，但是你這還沒有考慮過西方的生活成本比亞洲要高。
Very complicated and so many variables
非常復(fù)雜，影響因素很多。
I mean they are also all over their own country as well.
我的意思是，他們也遍布自己的國家。
These people deserve to be put into jail for 30 years in harsh conditions. If I was the leader of an Asian country. These Westerners would not have it easier to mess with the locals.
這些人應(yīng)該在惡劣的條件下被關(guān)進監(jiān)獄30年。如果我是一個亞洲國家的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人，我會這么干的。這樣這些西方人就不敢輕易的去招惹當(dāng)?shù)厝肆恕?/b>
I imagine that’s precisely the reason you aren’t a leader of anything.
我想，這就是你不能成為任何事情的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)者的原因。
Maybe jailing them for 30 years is over the top. But Arlind isn’t wrong to criminalize these people. Maybe instead of jailing them, just make their embassy responsible for them begging on the streets. This way, the respective country can police their own citizens.
也許監(jiān)禁他們30年很過分。但Arlind 說這些人有罪，這是沒錯的。與其監(jiān)禁他們，不如讓他們的大使館對他們在街上乞討的行為負責(zé)。通過這種方式，各個國家可以監(jiān)管自己的公民。
It’s not an offence for having no money. You can just get rid of them back to their countries.
沒有錢不是犯罪。你可以把他們遣返回國。
If they do, the Western media has a different story about ill treatments to foreigners.
如果他們真的這樣做了，西方媒體就會報道另外一個故事了：虐待外國人。
That is maybe a little bit over the top. Just jail them at immigration holding facilities until they can pay for a return airfare and get rid of them. Simple.
監(jiān)禁30年可能有點過頭了。把他們關(guān)在移民拘留所就好了，直到他們能夠支付回程機票，就把他們趕走。就是這么簡單。
Damn. What kind of sentence would you impose for shoplifting or jaywalking?
該死的。你會對商店行竊或亂穿馬路的人判處什么樣的刑罰？
I usually budget AU$200 per day in holiday, and never go on a major trip without a return ticket and travel insurance. That being said we have had some road trips that were cut short by running out of many many years ago!
You do tend to see a lot of these younger travelers in south east Asia who think they won’t need to save and budget, that they can work their way across Thailand, or some bullshit like that. Makes the rest of us look like assholes!
我安排的假期，大概每天的預(yù)算要有200澳元，如果沒有安排好回程機票和旅行保險，我絕不會去參加大型旅行。
話雖如此，我也有過一些公路旅行的經(jīng)歷，但那是多年前的事情了，當(dāng)時因為時間不夠就縮短了旅程。
你可能確實在東南亞看到了很多年輕的旅行者，他們認為自己不需要儲蓄和預(yù)算，就可以在泰國各地找到工作，或者諸如此類的廢話。這些人讓我們其他人看起來像混蛋！
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Yep, whatever you do, make sure your escape route is already arranged in advance. Worst comes to worst, your retreat is still an option.
是的，無論你做什么，都要確保你的逃生路線已經(jīng)被提前安排好了。最壞的情況總會發(fā)生，你仍然需要一條撤退路線。
哆啦A夢
Was also shocked to see a western old man living under a bridge (homeless), collecting bottles.
Times has indeed changed.
我在香港的時候看到一些西方人在做這樣的事情，一個在賣珠子手鐲，另外的一些在買友誼手鏈。他們也拿著這個標(biāo)志，請求人們支持他們的旅行。人們只是無視他們。
我還震驚的看到，一個住在橋下的西方老人（無家可歸）正在收集瓶子。
時代確實變了。