這就是為什么美國(guó)選擇購(gòu)買 F-15EX 而不是更多 F-35 戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)
Here's Why the U.S. Is Buying the F-15EX Instead of More F-35 Fighter Jets譯文簡(jiǎn)介
F-15EX 下線后即可投入戰(zhàn)斗。它是更新戰(zhàn)術(shù)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)機(jī)隊(duì)能力的最經(jīng)濟(jì)、最可靠和最直接的方式。
與其他戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)相比,F(xiàn)-15EX 的運(yùn)營(yíng)成本低,但其武器有效載荷是其他戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的四倍,燃油、航程和速度都是其他戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的兩倍,是全球空軍都能按計(jì)劃投入使用的現(xiàn)代化解決方案。
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F--15 Still Great Fighter so was F-14 D Personally I think F-35 looks like Sheeet and Single Engine . I wouldn't want to Fly it over the Big Soup. With one Engine. Last time Navy used Single Engine Fighter was back in the 50s. Get The F-14Ds out of Moth Balls start flying those again Fk that F-35 over Price Billions over Budget POS. many other Countries lost Interest and went with SU-57 that's a Bad Ass MF
F-15 仍然是一個(gè)偉大的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),F(xiàn)-14D 也是。就我個(gè)人而言,我認(rèn)為F-35看起來(lái)不怎么樣,而且是單引擎的。我不想在復(fù)雜的戰(zhàn)場(chǎng)環(huán)境中駕駛單引擎飛機(jī)。海軍上一次使用單引擎戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)還是在50年代。應(yīng)該讓F-14D從封存中重新啟用,再次開(kāi)始飛行,放棄那個(gè)F-35,它超預(yù)算數(shù)十億,是個(gè)糟糕的廢物。許多其他國(guó)家也失去了興趣,轉(zhuǎn)而選擇了SU-57,那真是一個(gè)強(qiáng)悍的混蛋。
I help build the F-35 as a member of the F-35 Program Office. I also have extensive experience in F-18s and numerous other jets. First of all, there are major differences between a 4th generation F-15EX and 5th generation F-35A/B/C. The first and foremost advantage is superior software technology capability. I will not discuss the specifics on this platform, but it is great. Air superiority is not based on how fast a jet can go but the software capability to destroy or attack the enemy before they can react. I will agree that the F-35 is overpriced compared to the F-15EX. The US has the best technology in the world when it comes to the development of tactical fighter jets. By the way, the US already has unmanned six generation prototype aircraft that are flying as they go through test and uation. China, North Korea, and Russia don't want to get into war with the US because they will lose along with NATO support. Period.
作為F-35項(xiàng)目辦公室的成員,我?guī)椭圃炝薋-35。我還有在F-18和其他許多飛機(jī)上的豐富經(jīng)驗(yàn)。首先,4代F-15EX和5代F-35A/B/C之間有重大差異。首當(dāng)其沖的優(yōu)勢(shì)是卓越的軟件技術(shù)能力。我不會(huì)在這個(gè)平臺(tái)上討論具體細(xì)節(jié),但它非常棒??罩袃?yōu)勢(shì)不是基于飛機(jī)能飛多快,而是基于軟件能力,在敵人做出反應(yīng)之前摧毀或攻擊敵人。我同意,與F-15EX相比,F(xiàn)-35的價(jià)格過(guò)高。美國(guó)擁有世界上最先進(jìn)的戰(zhàn)術(shù)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)開(kāi)發(fā)技術(shù)。順便說(shuō)一下,美國(guó)已經(jīng)有了正在通過(guò)測(cè)試和評(píng)估飛行的無(wú)人6代原型機(jī)。中國(guó)、朝鮮和俄羅斯不想與美國(guó)開(kāi)戰(zhàn),因?yàn)樗麄儠?huì)輸,還有北約的支持。就這么簡(jiǎn)單。
Because the F35 is an overhyped overpriced 5th gen to be sold to foreign nations and so far, 3 of them crashed on their own without any actual combat ... whereas the F15EX has actual history and works very well with better value for money ... correct me if am wrong ;)
Plus, the U.S. have the F22 as the premium stealth 5th gen.
因?yàn)镕-35是被過(guò)度炒作的、價(jià)格過(guò)高的5代飛機(jī),被賣給外國(guó),到目前為止,有3架在沒(méi)有實(shí)際戰(zhàn)斗的情況下自己墜毀了……而F-15EX有真正的歷史,并且性價(jià)比更高……如果我說(shuō)錯(cuò)了請(qǐng)糾正我;)
另外,美國(guó)有F-22作為高級(jí)隱形5代飛機(jī)。
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F-15 lost to ground fire, not as likely, their mission is a lot higher. The F-16 is a fine widow maker, I mean fighter, since there have been almost twice as many made. They are tasked with close in air support like the A-10 so they are more likely to get ground action.
Fact is there are 3 reported ground fire F-15 loses of the Strike Eagle.
My whole point was your loose use of statistics. You said equal record when the facts disprove that.
Both fighters are great aircraft and have differing roles that they both do well.
F-15被地面火力擊中的可能性不大,因?yàn)樗鼈兊娜蝿?wù)高度要高得多。F-16是一架出色的"寡婦制造者",我的意思是戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),因?yàn)樗鼈兊纳a(chǎn)數(shù)量幾乎是F-15的兩倍。它們負(fù)責(zé)像A-10那樣的近距空中支援,因此更有可能遭遇地面行動(dòng)。
事實(shí)上,有報(bào)道的F-15"攻擊鷹"因地面火力而損失的案例有3起。
我的全部觀點(diǎn)是你對(duì)統(tǒng)計(jì)數(shù)據(jù)的使用不夠嚴(yán)謹(jǐn)。你說(shuō)它們有相同的記錄,但事實(shí)卻證明并非如此。
這兩種戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)都是很棒的飛機(jī),并且它們各自承擔(dān)著不同的角色,都執(zhí)行得非常好。
We need both aircraft. They will complement each other greatly. Together they will give any adversary huge headaches.
我們需要這兩種飛機(jī)。它們將互相補(bǔ)充。它們將給任何對(duì)手帶來(lái)巨大的頭痛。
F-15EX would be a very good Anti Shipping platform.
F-15EX將是一個(gè)非常好的反艦平臺(tái)。
In addition the F-15EX is a beautiful master piece of engineering.
此外,F(xiàn)-15EX 還是一件精美的工程杰作。
and it works unlike the F-35
而且它還能用,不像 F-35
AND, A Proven War Fighter!! Build many more of them.
而且,它是一款久經(jīng)考驗(yàn)的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)! 多造幾架吧。
Nope, it's a 55 year old design that is now nothing more than political life support for Boeing.
不,這是個(gè)有 55 年歷史的設(shè)計(jì),現(xiàn)在只不過(guò)是波音公司的政治生命支持而已。
The F-35 works and has been proven time and again in Red Flag and real combat. Just like the rest of the fanboys here your comment is incorrect and idiotic.
F-35戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)在紅旗演習(xí)和實(shí)際戰(zhàn)斗中一次又一次地證明了自己的性能。就像這里的其他狂熱支持者一樣,你的評(píng)論是錯(cuò)誤的和愚蠢的。
exactly. They have no idea. It takes a while to perfect an extremely complicated piece of technology like the F-35 and they have. The F-35 grew up in the digital age and that's why it is under so much scrutiny.
確實(shí)如此。他們沒(méi)有意識(shí)到。像F-35這樣極其復(fù)雜的技術(shù)需要一段時(shí)間來(lái)完善,而他們已經(jīng)做到了。F-35是在數(shù)字時(shí)代成長(zhǎng)起來(lái)的,這就是為什么它受到如此多的審查。
The F-15EX is a missile truck that can fly behind the F-35's and launch AIM-120's and Aim-260's that the F-35 can guide to its target while staying out of engagement range. Yes, the 260 is already in production.
F-15EX是一架可以跟隨F-35飛行并發(fā)射AIM-120和Aim-260導(dǎo)彈的"導(dǎo)彈卡車",F(xiàn)-35可以在保持在交戰(zhàn)范圍之外的同時(shí)引導(dǎo)這些導(dǎo)彈到達(dá)目標(biāo)。是的,260型導(dǎo)彈已經(jīng)在生產(chǎn)中了。
Here’s a man who knows what he is talking about. The F-15EX is a niche player and a damn good one.
這是一個(gè)知道自己在說(shuō)什么的人。F-15EX是一個(gè)小眾但非常出色的角色。
That "Missile Truck" can still out fight an F-35.
那個(gè)"導(dǎo)彈卡車"仍然可以擊敗F-35。
not in a long range engagement the F-35 has superior heads up and data sensors and with stealth it can kill before being seen.
an F-15 by contrast has such a large radar cross section it is literally bigger than the plane it's self and it wants to be seen but with modern SAM and BVR missiles that's not a great thing to have.
在遠(yuǎn)程交戰(zhàn)中,F(xiàn)-35擁有更優(yōu)越的抬頭顯示和數(shù)據(jù)傳感器,并且憑借隱身能力,它可以在被看到之前就擊中目標(biāo)。相比之下,F(xiàn)-15的雷達(dá)截面積如此之大,實(shí)際上比飛機(jī)本身還要大,它想要被看到,但在現(xiàn)代地對(duì)空導(dǎo)彈和超視距導(dǎo)彈面前,這不是一件好事。
Put the AI used in the CCA program in both aircraft and begin the engagement outside BVR and the F-35 will eat that F-15 up 9 time out of 10, and that 1 time can be worked out in programing.
如果在兩種飛機(jī)上都安裝了用于CCA程序的AI,并在超視距外開(kāi)始交戰(zhàn),F(xiàn)-35會(huì)在10次中有9次擊敗F-15,而那一次可以通過(guò)編程解決。
why would you want to put such a massive beacon that is the F-15 rcs in any sort of package where low observability was required?
The F-15 would need to be kept at a significant range to keep it getting shot.
你為什么要將F-15這樣巨大的雷達(dá)信號(hào)源放在任何需要低可觀測(cè)性的地方?
F-15需要保持在顯著的距離,以避免被擊中。
The "missile truck" carries so much that they call it the Spam-Ram.
"導(dǎo)彈卡車"攜帶的東西如此之多,以至于他們稱之為"Spam-Ram"。
Because they would spot and close with the F-15, not knowing they were already within lethal range of the F-35. Bait for the trap.
因?yàn)樗麄儠?huì)在不知道F-35已經(jīng)在致命范圍內(nèi)的情況下接近并接近F-15。誘餌陷阱。
Don't worry. The F-35 would already have the kill chain completed well before the enemy was capable of completing theirs, and still wouldn't even know the F-35 was there.
別擔(dān)心。F-35在敵人能夠完成其殺傷鏈之前就已經(jīng)完成了自己的殺傷鏈,而且敵人甚至不會(huì)意識(shí)到F-35的存在。
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ah I can imagine the mission brief, 'and you are to be the bait' .... Nope, that is just, no!
啊,我能想象任務(wù)簡(jiǎn)報(bào),"你要成為誘餌"……不,那只是,不行!
you live in a Harry Potter novel
你活在《哈利·波特》小說(shuō)里。
Like hell it can. Far more often than not the F-15EX won’t even detect the F-35 until after the F-35 has fired its missiles at them.
不可能。通常F-15EX在F-35向它們發(fā)射導(dǎo)彈之后甚至都不會(huì)察覺(jué)到F-35。
It's not me that doesn't recognize the difference between detection range and engagement range. You state that like the F-35 is just going to sit there and let enemy aircraft close on the F-15 without guiding its missiles to targets that can't detect it. Now who's living in a fantasy world?
不是我沒(méi)有認(rèn)識(shí)到探測(cè)范圍和交戰(zhàn)范圍的區(qū)別。你說(shuō)得好像F-35就坐在那里,讓敵機(jī)接近F-15而不引導(dǎo)其導(dǎo)彈去攻擊那些無(wú)法探測(cè)到它的目標(biāo)?,F(xiàn)在誰(shuí)活在幻想世界里?
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Na dude I never said any of that. Looks like you have difficulty detecting comments. Was your comment detector made by Beoing...???
不,伙計(jì),我從來(lái)沒(méi)說(shuō)過(guò)那些??雌饋?lái)你在探測(cè)評(píng)論方面有困難。你的評(píng)論探測(cè)器是波音制造的嗎……???
Nope. The Eagle 2 has the same systems and open architecture as the F-35 and has a larger improved intetegrated radar, and in addition some very exact tech to detect, kill, and defend itself from gen 5 aircraft. This is not just a new build C model. It's a whole new aircraft really.
不是的。"鷹2"擁有與F-35相同的系統(tǒng)和開(kāi)放式架構(gòu),并且擁有更大的改進(jìn)型集成雷達(dá),此外還有一些非常精確的技術(shù)來(lái)探測(cè)、擊殺并防御五代戰(zhàn)機(jī)。這不僅僅是一個(gè)新的C型建造。它真的是一架全新的飛機(jī)。
Make perfect sense. When the only two jets that can take you down are also on your team, no need to worry about air superiority.
完全有道理。當(dāng)唯一能擊落你的兩架飛機(jī)也在你的隊(duì)伍里時(shí),就不必?fù)?dān)心空中優(yōu)勢(shì)。
They both use the same AWACS.
它們都使用相同的AWACS(空中預(yù)警和控制系統(tǒng))。
They don’t use the same stealth.
他們不使用相同的隱形技術(shù)。
It doesn't matter if the AWACS is directing the show. That, and the F15 actually has the capacity to carry longer range missiles...and has better kinetic energy to avoid them.
AWACS是否在指揮并不重要。而且,F(xiàn)-15實(shí)際上有能力攜帶更遠(yuǎn)射程的導(dǎo)彈……并且有更好的動(dòng)能來(lái)避開(kāi)它們。
Accurate analogy. But applicable to airspace only. And as important as airspace is, wars are still fought and won on the ground with artillery and riflemen.
準(zhǔn)確的類比。但只適用于空域。盡管空域很重要,但戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)仍然在地面上用火炮和步兵進(jìn)行并取得勝利。
Put an F-15 with anF-22. TheF-15 will scare them so bad they won’t even look for the F-22.
把F-15和F-22放在一起。F-15會(huì)讓他們害怕到甚至不會(huì)去找F-22。
The F35 won't be able to carry big size ordnance unlike the F15EX. So, both types complement each other.
F-35無(wú)法攜帶大型彈藥,而F-15EX可以。所以,兩種機(jī)型互相補(bǔ)充。
No they don’t in the slightest and yes the F-35 can carry a huge load. Just like most of the comments on this post, including yours, this video is a joke. The USAF never wanted the F-15EX and still don’t.
他們一點(diǎn)也不補(bǔ)充,而且F-35可以攜帶巨大的載荷。就像這個(gè)帖子上的大多數(shù)評(píng)論一樣,包括你的,這個(gè)視頻是個(gè)笑話。美國(guó)空軍從未想要過(guò)F-15EX,現(xiàn)在也不想要。
A stealth aircraft is not a sniper; it's the most critical component of obtaining air dominance. F-35 can carry just about everything capability that the F15 can for ground targets, just fewer of them, but if bombs are what you want to carry, get a B2. As the video says, the F15EX is really an interceptor and not a multi-role fighter. And in the case of China, it's really the US Navy has the attack job, not the Air National Guard. My problem with the F15EX argument is that it's a decade's long commitment to a domestic interceptor that is more expensive off the line than the world's most sophisitacated platform, the F35. Sure the F15EX is available sooner than the F35, but that's because the F35 is in demand. I see the value in the quick transfer, but is that really needed for domestic air patrols?
隱形飛機(jī)不是狙擊手;它是獲得空中優(yōu)勢(shì)的最關(guān)鍵組成部分。F-35可以攜帶幾乎所有F-15對(duì)地面目標(biāo)的作戰(zhàn)能力,只是數(shù)量少一些,但如果你想要的是攜帶炸彈,那就用B-2。正如視頻所說(shuō),F(xiàn)-15EX實(shí)際上是一種攔截機(jī),而不是多用途戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。在中國(guó)的情況下,實(shí)際上是美國(guó)海軍負(fù)責(zé)攻擊任務(wù),而不是空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)。我對(duì)F-15EX論點(diǎn)的問(wèn)題是,這是對(duì)一種國(guó)內(nèi)攔截機(jī)長(zhǎng)達(dá)十年的承諾,它比世界上最復(fù)雜的平臺(tái)F-35更貴。當(dāng)然,F(xiàn)-15EX比F-35更早可用,但那是因?yàn)镕-35需求量大。我看到快速轉(zhuǎn)移的價(jià)值,但這真的需要用于國(guó)內(nèi)空中巡邏嗎?
If either Ukraine or Russia were to obtain air superiority, this war would be over now. Haven't you seen how much more a 1500kg glide bomb can do vs a 45kg artillery shell? That's how we lost recent territory to Russia and then stopped their advance: not having air defense weapons, then having them again.
如果烏克蘭或俄羅斯獲得空中優(yōu)勢(shì),這場(chǎng)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)現(xiàn)在就結(jié)束了。難道你沒(méi)有看到1500公斤滑翔炸彈與45公斤炮彈相比能做什么嗎?這就是我們失去了領(lǐng)土給俄羅斯,然后阻止了他們的前進(jìn):沒(méi)有防空武器,然后有了它們。
Whoever produces new weapons faster wins the war. Just like in WW2 when German factories were systematically destroyed day and night... and they had better weapons, if they had waited a little with the development of jet planes and the atomic bomb..... there certainly would not have been this war in Ukraine....
誰(shuí)更快地生產(chǎn)新武器,誰(shuí)就贏得戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。就像在二戰(zhàn)中,德國(guó)工廠被系統(tǒng)地日夜摧毀……他們有更好的武器,如果他們?cè)趪姎馐斤w機(jī)和原子彈的發(fā)展上再等一會(huì)兒……烏克蘭當(dāng)然不會(huì)有這場(chǎng)戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)……
Agree! When I was talking about "air superiority" I was talking about the Top Gun dogfight fan boys (of which I am one). Some in that group are fixated on that one aspect of air-power and think that wins wars. The glide bomb kits you mentioned are ingenious fixes that turn old dumb bombs (some manufactured in the 1960's) into standoff, precise munitions that can be launched from a distance at little or no risk to the aircraft deploying them. Also, keep in mind that there are infinitely more artillery shells lobbed at Ukies on any given day than glide bombs dropped. Artillery combined with ground operations and venerable SAMS are and will give Russia the final victory.
同意!當(dāng)我談到"空中優(yōu)勢(shì)"時(shí),我是指頂級(jí)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的空戰(zhàn)迷(我也是其中之一)。那個(gè)群體中的一些人專注于空中力量的一個(gè)方面,并認(rèn)為這可以贏得戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。你提到的滑翔炸彈套件是巧妙的解決方案,將舊的啞彈(有些是在1960年代制造的)轉(zhuǎn)變?yōu)榭梢詮男【嚯x發(fā)射的遠(yuǎn)程、精確彈藥,對(duì)部署它們的飛機(jī)幾乎沒(méi)有或沒(méi)有風(fēng)險(xiǎn)。同時(shí),請(qǐng)記住,在任何給定的一天,向?yàn)蹩颂m投擲的炮彈比投下的滑翔炸彈多得多?;鹋诮Y(jié)合地面行動(dòng)和可靠的地對(duì)空導(dǎo)彈將賦予俄羅斯最終的勝利。
Air bombardment in the form of incendiary raids and the two nuclear strikes certainly hastened Japan's surrender and saved lives on both sides as well as the lives of Allied POWs and civilians suffering in occupied territories. But from a military standpoint, Japan had already been defeated by the island hopping campaign, naval air power (hat tip to that!), and other naval warfare, especially American submarines decimating Japan's merchant fleet and starving the home islands of food and other resources.
以燃燒彈的形式進(jìn)行的空中轟炸和兩次核打擊當(dāng)然加速了日本的投降,并挽救了雙方的生命,以及盟軍戰(zhàn)俘和在被占領(lǐng)地區(qū)遭受苦難的平民的生命。但從軍事角度來(lái)看,日本已經(jīng)被島嶼跳躍行動(dòng)、海軍航空力量(向那致敬?。┖推渌?zhàn),特別是美國(guó)潛艇摧毀了日本的商船隊(duì),使本土島嶼缺乏食物和其他資源,從而被擊敗了。
Where did bottomfeeder BS come from?
這種低級(jí)謊言是從哪里來(lái)的?
What an odd conclusion to make, especially since Heisenberg himself said in 1945 that an atomic weapon wouldn't be possible for another 20 years. The Nazis thought the Manhattan project was a PsyOp to scare the Japanese, as they had abandoned their efforts well before 1945.
Moreover, I don't think the other great war of the last century was won by who made new weapons faster.
I think more military men will hang their hat on war being decided by will and logistics.
得出這樣的結(jié)論真是奇怪,特別是海森堡本人在1945年就說(shuō)過(guò),原子彈在接下來(lái)的20年內(nèi)都不可能實(shí)現(xiàn)。納粹認(rèn)為曼哈頓計(jì)劃是一種心理戰(zhàn)操作來(lái)嚇唬日本人,因?yàn)樗麄冊(cè)?945年之前就已經(jīng)放棄了他們的努力。
此外,我不認(rèn)為上個(gè)世紀(jì)的另一場(chǎng)大戰(zhàn)是通過(guò)誰(shuí)更快制造新武器來(lái)贏得的。
我認(rèn)為更多的軍事人士會(huì)認(rèn)為戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)是由意志和后勤決定的。
Only in "Beast Mode " and it's stealth is compromised and no ,not even in "Beast Mode " isn't comparable to a F15 EX in terms of payload .
Also speed is hard on stealth coatings and so you need aircraft that aren't stealth to fly lots and lots of nonstealthy missions.
The F15EX can get to the airspace quicker than an F35 .
只有在"野獸模式"下,而且它的隱形能力會(huì)受到損害,不,即使在"野獸模式"下,其載荷能力也無(wú)法與F-15EX相比。
此外,速度對(duì)隱形涂層有害,所以你需要的是不隱形的飛機(jī)來(lái)執(zhí)行大量非隱形任務(wù)。
F-15EX可以比F-35更快地到達(dá)空域。
all assets fit together like a puzzle piece to win a war. It takes all assets whether ground forces or air assets to win a war.
所有資產(chǎn)像拼圖一樣拼合在一起才能贏得戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。無(wú)論是地面部隊(duì)還是空中資產(chǎn),都需要所有資產(chǎn)來(lái)贏得戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。
Right! A better analogy would be a football team. Is the QB the most important player? Perhaps, but he can't do anything without every other position player doing their part so every man is important and must do their job for the team to be successful.
Stealth aircraft ARE a very handy thing to have, but mostly in the initial phases of the war and if they do their job then the 'heavy lifting' can be done by non-stealth aircraft that carry more weapons.
沒(méi)錯(cuò)!一個(gè)更好的類比是一支足球隊(duì)。四分衛(wèi)是最重要的球員嗎?也許,但沒(méi)有其他位置的球員盡自己的職責(zé),他就什么也做不了,所以每個(gè)人都很重要,必須盡自己的職責(zé),團(tuán)隊(duì)才能成功。
隱形飛機(jī)在戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)初期階段非常有用,如果它們完成了自己的工作,那么"重活"可以由攜帶更多武器的非隱形飛機(jī)來(lái)完成。
they will never see the F22 it will pick them off without them even knowing it's ther
他們永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)看到F-22,它會(huì)在他們甚至不知道它在那里的情況下將他們一一擊落。
Since the National Guard is getting them, I’m sure they’ll be great to help defend the large airspace over Alaska.
既然國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)要得到它們,我相信它們會(huì)很好地幫助保衛(wèi)阿拉斯加上空的廣闊空域。
or maybe near the mexican border
或者可能在墨西哥邊境附近。
What threat does an F-15 handle at the border?
F-15在邊境上處理什么威脅?
tl;dw: Not every mission needs stealth and the F-15 is a superior tactical platform in every OTHER regard. I'd rather have a bunch of F-15's and A-10's to go to war with than a few F-35's
簡(jiǎn)而言之:不是每個(gè)任務(wù)都需要隱形,而在其他所有方面,F(xiàn)-15都是一個(gè)更優(yōu)越的戰(zhàn)術(shù)平臺(tái)。我寧愿帶著一群F-15和A-10去打仗,也不愿意只帶幾架F-35。
Your statement has been proven over & over throughout the years!
Absolutely love when they refurbish older models for today's use!
你的說(shuō)法多年來(lái)已經(jīng)被一次又一次地證明!
我非常喜歡他們翻新舊型號(hào)以適應(yīng)今天的用途!
Yup. The stealth aircraft are best (for ground) during the initial parts of a war.
Many people seem to forget that there are many ways to make 4th gen aircraft survivable. Stealth is one of the more recent ones.
There is EW, standoff, anti-radiation missiles, passive countermeasures (chaff/flare), and active countermeasures (LAIRCM)... and there are point defense lasers in testing.
是的。隱形飛機(jī)在戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)初期階段最適合(地面)。
許多人似乎忘記了有很多方法可以使第四代飛機(jī)具有生存能力。隱形是最近的一種。
有電子戰(zhàn)、遠(yuǎn)程打擊、反輻射導(dǎo)彈、被動(dòng)對(duì)抗措施(箔條/照明彈)、主動(dòng)對(duì)抗措施(LAIRCM)……還有點(diǎn)防御激光正在測(cè)試中。
If you aren't fighting China or Russia.
如果你不是在和中國(guó)或俄羅斯作戰(zhàn)。
Really? Why is that?
The Ukraine war has shown the S300/S400 doesn't seem to be able to keep soviet era jets from attacking them.
真的嗎? 為什么?
烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)表明,S300/S400似乎無(wú)法阻止蘇聯(lián)時(shí)代的飛機(jī)攻擊它們。
It can't hurt to overwhelm with heavily armed numbers of quality aircraft. I have doubts about Russia, but China appears to be top shelf quality.
用大量武裝精良的飛機(jī)壓倒敵人也無(wú)妨。我對(duì)俄羅斯持懷疑態(tài)度,但中國(guó)似乎是頂級(jí)質(zhì)量。
After 8k hours the cost comparison is firmly in the 15s favour.
經(jīng)過(guò)8000小時(shí)后,成本比較明顯地對(duì)F-15有利。
Nope, not even close. The F-15EX is more expensive to buy and to fly. All for far less capability.
不對(duì),差得遠(yuǎn)。F-15EX購(gòu)買和飛行的成本都更高。所有這些都是為了更少的能力。
Yeah twice the engines, 70% faster more than twice the load than the f35. The question. Is why the F35 is so expensive.
是的,兩倍的引擎,70%的飛行速度,是F-35的兩倍多的載荷。問(wèn)題是,為什么F-35這么貴。
@joemaloney1019 I’ve been waiting for an idiotic comment like this. The F-15 is not faster in combat configuration and that is irrelevant anyway. No F-15 in service bothers with speeds higher than 1.6 Mach. It’s tactically irrelevant, not to mention you can’t do anything afterwards because you will have no fuel left. Standard fanboy moronic point. Why is the F-35 so expensive? It isn’t. It’s cheaper to buy and operate than the F-15EX. It also gives vastly more capability.
Why is the F-35 restricted to 1.6 Mach? Because that’s the speed the USAF and USN wanted. It will go faster easily, it has the thrust and is very aerodynamically clean. The USAF/USN wanted the intakes optimised for 1.6 so that’s what they got. It will out accelerate and out climb a loaded F-15 easily.
Now you should go ask your mum for a juice box before commenting again.
我一直在等待像這樣的愚蠢評(píng)論。F-15在戰(zhàn)斗配置下并不更快,這反正也是無(wú)關(guān)緊要的。任何服役的F-15都不會(huì)以超過(guò)1.6馬赫的速度飛行。這在戰(zhàn)術(shù)上是無(wú)關(guān)緊要的,更不用說(shuō)你之后什么也做不了,因?yàn)槟銓](méi)有燃料。標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的迷弟愚蠢觀點(diǎn)。為什么F-35這么貴?它不貴。它比F-15EX便宜,操作成本也更低。它還提供了更多的能力。
為什么F-35被限制在1.6馬赫?因?yàn)槟鞘敲绹?guó)空軍和海軍想要的速度。它可以很容易地飛得更快,它有推力,空氣動(dòng)力學(xué)非常干凈。美國(guó)空軍/海軍希望進(jìn)氣口針對(duì)1.6進(jìn)行優(yōu)化,所以他們得到了。它可以輕松地超越裝載的F-15的加速度和爬升率。
現(xiàn)在,在你再次評(píng)論之前,你應(yīng)該去問(wèn)你媽媽要一盒果汁。
@dat581 When you attack me personally you already lost the argument. The F35 flies at 1.4 mach because it was designed that way. The F35 was designed as the Universal (fighter) bomber good for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corp. The Marines needed a stól aircraft so Lockheed put a giant fan facing down behind the cockpit. The áir Force and Navy did not and that was deleated but not the fuselage that housed it and because of a little thing called the area rule the plane cannot exceed 1.4 pushing that barrel sized fuselage. But thats okay it is only supposed to be a (fighter) bomber anyway and the F22 was supposed to do the air superiority thing. Except the f22 got cancelled at less than 200 built. But that is okay because the f35 was a more lucrative program for the subcontractors and politicians anyway. Remember the F22 was designed as a mach 2.4 fighter so is the Eagle in fact the F15ex is basically a non stealthy f22 same flight envelope with the new engines aesa radar and advanced software and fly by wire. I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2+ as well as bomb truck. An f15 is kind of an exeptional aircraft.
當(dāng)你個(gè)人攻擊我時(shí),你已經(jīng)輸了爭(zhēng)論。F-35以1.4馬赫飛行,因?yàn)樗褪沁@樣設(shè)計(jì)的。F-35被設(shè)計(jì)為通用(戰(zhàn)斗機(jī))轟炸機(jī),適用于空軍、海軍和海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)。海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)需要一種短距起降飛機(jī),所以洛克希德在駕駛艙后面放了一個(gè)巨大的向下的風(fēng)扇??哲姾秃\姴恍枰鞘潜粍h除了,但是容納它的機(jī)身沒(méi)有,因?yàn)橐粋€(gè)叫做面積規(guī)則的小東西,飛機(jī)不能超過(guò)1.4,推動(dòng)那個(gè)桶形的機(jī)身。但這沒(méi)關(guān)系,它只是應(yīng)該是一種(戰(zhàn)斗機(jī))轟炸機(jī),而F-22應(yīng)該負(fù)責(zé)空中優(yōu)勢(shì)。除了F-22在建造不到200架時(shí)被取消了。但這沒(méi)關(guān)系,因?yàn)镕-35對(duì)分包商和政治家來(lái)說(shuō)是一個(gè)更有利可圖的項(xiàng)目。記住,F(xiàn)-22被設(shè)計(jì)為2.4馬赫的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),鷹也是如此,事實(shí)上F-15EX基本上是一個(gè)非隱形的F-22,具有相同的飛行包絡(luò),新的引擎、有源電子掃描陣列雷達(dá)和先進(jìn)的軟件以及電傳操縱。我認(rèn)為它可以執(zhí)行F-22的遠(yuǎn)程攔截機(jī)角色,以2+馬赫飛行,以及轟炸機(jī)。F-15是一種相當(dāng)杰出的飛機(jī)。
@joemaloney1019 Argument? There is no argument, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, and your second comment proves it.
Funny you claim the F-35 was designed to fly at 1.4 Mach since it was designed aerodynamically to fly well above 2.0 Mach and easily has the thrust to do so. The limiting factor are the intakes which were designed for 1.6 Mach at the direction of the USAF and NAVAIR. The F-35 does not need to go faster and no fighter does in service. What you don’t understand is both the F-14 and F-15 in service rarely got above 1.2 Mach in service and NEVER above 1.6. This is the reason why the F-16 is restricted to 2.0 and the F/A-18 to 1.8. Going faster is pointless and has no operational purpose.
Then we have your idiotic Area Ruling comment. The F-35 has an enormous amount of area ruling in it’s design. Seriously are your eyes painted on? Your 1.4 Mach claims are ludicrous.
No the F-35 was not designed as a “universal bomber”. Just like the F/A-18 and F-4 before it, the jet was designed as a fighter with multirole capability a secondary factor. You cannot design a jet as a bomber and turn it into a fighter. That has been a fundamental of combat aircraft design for near 100 years.
No the F-15EX is not a non stealthy Raptor in the slightest. It is a modernised F-15E which the UASF never wanted and still doesn’t. It does not have the performance of the F-35, not even close. You pointing out the Raptor was designed as a “mach 2.4” fighter, it wasn’t, shows you haven’t a clue about air combat and just read numbers off Wikipedia. The F-15EX is not capable of surviving over the modern battlefield and is nothing more than political life support for Boeing. Why do you think it is being sent straight to the ANG? Even the ANG don’t want the thing. They wanted modernised F-16s. The F-15 was an exceptional aircraft in the 1970s and 80s. It most certainly is not now. “I think it could perform the f22 long range interceptor role at mach 2” Such a dumb comment. The F-22 never gets above 1.6 in service either. The F-35 will easily out accelerate any F-15 to 1.6 Mach and it will stay there much longer. With a normal combat load the F-15, and this includes the F-15EX is not getting above 1.6 due to the drag of it’s external weapons, not to mention the external tanks.
But do keep commenting, I could use a good laugh.
爭(zhēng)論?沒(méi)有爭(zhēng)論,你根本不知道你在說(shuō)什么,你的第二條評(píng)論證明了這一點(diǎn)。
有趣的是,你聲稱F-35被設(shè)計(jì)為以1.4馬赫飛行,因?yàn)樗诳諝鈩?dòng)力學(xué)上被設(shè)計(jì)為可以輕松超過(guò)2.0馬赫,并且很容易有推力這樣做。限制因素是進(jìn)氣口,它們是按照美國(guó)空軍和海軍航空系統(tǒng)的指示為1.6馬赫設(shè)計(jì)的。F-35不需要更快,也沒(méi)有戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)在服役中需要。你不明白的是,無(wú)論是F-14還是F-15,在服役中很少超過(guò)1.2馬赫,并且從未超過(guò)1.6馬赫。這就是為什么F-16被限制在2.0,而F/A-18被限制在1.8的原因。更快是沒(méi)有意義的,沒(méi)有操作目的。
然后是你的愚蠢的面積規(guī)則評(píng)論。F-35在其設(shè)計(jì)中有大量的面積規(guī)則。你的眼睛真的被涂了嗎?你對(duì)1.4馬赫的主張是荒謬的。
不,F(xiàn)-35沒(méi)有被設(shè)計(jì)為“通用轟炸機(jī)”。就像之前的F/A-18和F-4一樣,這架飛機(jī)被設(shè)計(jì)為具有多角色能力的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),這是次要因素。你不能設(shè)計(jì)一架轟炸機(jī)然后把它變成戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。這幾乎是近100年來(lái)戰(zhàn)斗飛機(jī)設(shè)計(jì)的基本原則。
不,F(xiàn)-15EX一點(diǎn)也不是非隱形猛禽。它是現(xiàn)代化的F-15E,美國(guó)空軍從未想要過(guò),現(xiàn)在也不想要。它沒(méi)有F-35的性能,甚至差得遠(yuǎn)。你指出猛禽被設(shè)計(jì)為“2.4馬赫”的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),它不是,表明你對(duì)空中戰(zhàn)斗一無(wú)所知,只是從維基百科上讀數(shù)字。F-15EX無(wú)法在現(xiàn)代戰(zhàn)場(chǎng)上生存,只不過(guò)是波音的政治生命支持。為什么你認(rèn)為它直接被送到空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)?連空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)都不想要這個(gè)東西。他們想要現(xiàn)代化的F-16。F-15在1970年代和80年代是一架杰出的飛機(jī)?,F(xiàn)在肯定不是?!拔艺J(rèn)為它可以在2馬赫下執(zhí)行F-22遠(yuǎn)程攔截機(jī)角色”如此愚蠢的評(píng)論。F-22在服役中也從未超過(guò)1.6。F-35將輕松超越任何F-15到1.6馬赫,并且可以在那里停留更長(zhǎng)時(shí)間。攜帶標(biāo)準(zhǔn)戰(zhàn)斗載荷的F-15,包括F-15EX,由于外部武器的阻力,無(wú)法超過(guò)1.6,更不用說(shuō)外部油箱了。
但請(qǐng)繼續(xù)評(píng)論,我可以好好笑一笑。
@joemaloney1019 actually the X-32, the technology demonstrator for F-35, was built as an A model. The size was dictated by internal fuel requirement. The STOVL variant was demonstrated by the removal of a fuel tank to put that "giant fan" in.
As for the 'area rule' there is plenty of that happening, it is just not as obvious as the traditional 'coke bottle' effect of the Mirage III, F-106, F-4, F-5 and so on. Just because it is not obvious, doesn't mean it is not there.
Also the F-15 is not faster in any meaningful war fighting manner, and needs almost 20,000lb more thrust to actually achieve it, which also means higher fuel burn. F-35 will achieve M1.6 with a pair of 2,000lb class weapons and a pair of AAMs (or 4 AAMs) with 18,000lb of fuel, the F-15 in any guise will not do that. The internal fuel of the F-15EX is circa 13,500lb and as soon as you add anything external you are adding parasitic drag that the F-35 does not have to over come. So my question to you is to put 2 x 2,000lb weapons and a pair of AAMs on an F-15, the external pods it will need for the mission then measure your speed and mission radius. Then add in probability of mission success and survivability.
Now if you want range, you are adding a truck load of external fuel, including CFTs and EFTs and just how much of that much talk about payload is absorbed just in fuel? Hint about 20,000lb. leaving just 8,000lb for anything kinetic (after adding nav/target/irst pods). You will start to understand the reason for the F-35, which is actually cheaper than the F-15EX
事實(shí)上,X-32,F(xiàn)-35的技術(shù)演示機(jī),是作為A型建造的。尺寸是由內(nèi)部燃料需求決定的。通過(guò)移除一個(gè)油箱來(lái)放置那個(gè)“巨大的風(fēng)扇”,展示了STOVL(短距起飛和垂直降落)變體。
至于“面積規(guī)則”,有很多這樣的情況,只是不像Mirage III、F-106、F-4、F-5等傳統(tǒng)上的“可樂(lè)瓶”效果那么明顯。只因?yàn)樗幻黠@,并不意味著它不存在。
此外,F(xiàn)-15在任何有意義的戰(zhàn)斗方式中都不更快,并且需要近20,000磅的推力才能實(shí)現(xiàn),這也意味著更高的燃料消耗。F-35可以在攜帶2,000磅級(jí)武器對(duì)和一對(duì)空對(duì)空導(dǎo)彈(或4個(gè)空對(duì)空導(dǎo)彈)以及18,000磅燃料的情況下達(dá)到M1.6,而F-15的任何變體都無(wú)法做到這一點(diǎn)。F-15EX的內(nèi)部燃料約為13,500磅,一旦你添加任何外部東西,你就增加了F-35不需要克服的寄生阻力。所以我的問(wèn)題是,給F-15裝上2個(gè)2,000磅武器和一對(duì)空對(duì)空導(dǎo)彈,它將需要的外部吊艙進(jìn)行任務(wù),然后測(cè)量你的速度和任務(wù)半徑。然后加上任務(wù)成功率和生存能力。
現(xiàn)在,如果你想要航程,你正在增加大量的外部燃料,包括CFTs(機(jī)內(nèi)燃料箱)和EFTs(外部燃料箱),以及多少被熱議的有效載荷僅僅是被燃料吸收?提示大約20,000磅。只剩下8,000磅用于任何動(dòng)力(在添加導(dǎo)航/目標(biāo)/IRST吊艙后)。你將開(kāi)始理解F-35的原因,它實(shí)際上比F-15EX便宜。
It's because F-15s aren't for carriers, are cheaper, and very capable. F-35s are meant for stealthy quick strikes. F-15 is still the best bang for dollar.
這是因?yàn)镕-15不是為航母設(shè)計(jì)的,更便宜,而且非常有能力。F-35旨在進(jìn)行隱蔽的快速打擊。F-15仍然是性價(jià)比最高的。
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because they have a hard time keeping 40% of the F35 fleet combat/mission ready.status. Lots of Manhours between sorties to keep F35s flying, even worse for the F35B. With the latest Radar tech, stealth isnt as stealthy as you think
因?yàn)樗麄兒茈y保持40%的F-35機(jī)隊(duì)處于戰(zhàn)斗/任務(wù)就緒狀態(tài)。保持F-35飛行需要在飛行之間投入大量的人力,尤其是F-35B。有了最新的雷達(dá)技術(shù),隱形并不像你認(rèn)為的那樣隱形。
F-35s aren't for carriers either.
F-35也不是為航母設(shè)計(jì)的。
LM, the F35B and F35C are
哈哈,F(xiàn)-35B和F-35C是的。
Yep i dont understand why my homecountry Germany doesnt buy f15 aswell
是的,我不明白為什么我們德國(guó)不買F-15。
It’s not a great value if it can be shot down in the modern threat environment.
F-15是第四代飛機(jī)。除了在極端遠(yuǎn)程環(huán)境中,它都是易受攻擊的。
Not correct. Most of the F-15 fixed cost are over and the maintenance is still easier. At this point we have no idea how expensive the F-35 boondoggle is going to be. I have hopes for it but a swiss army knife is a terrible way to fight wars.
不正確。F-15的大部分固定成本已經(jīng)結(jié)束,維護(hù)仍然更容易。目前我們不知道F-35這個(gè)白象項(xiàng)目會(huì)有多貴。我對(duì)它抱有希望,但瑞士軍刀是打戰(zhàn)的糟糕方式。
you will learn that youtube is full of misinformation LOL.
The F-35A, the version that the ANG would get, is not for carriers. The F-35A is cheaper than the F-15EX at around $82mil vs $90mil. The difference is that the F-35 comes with all the sensors and fuel internal. The CFTs and he mission pods to make the F-15EX effective are an additional cost. Same goes when comparing cost per hour. The F-35, because it has everything onboard, gets billed for everything. The F-15EX, they replace a pod and it gets fixed off sight and the cost of that gets attributed else where, not against the flying cost.
The reason the F-15EX works well for ANG is mentioned in the video, it is less disruptive as it is like for like. To change to F-35 is a significant undertaking and I have seen timelines of up to 2 years to get them back up and running.
F-35A,即空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)將獲得的版本,不是為航母設(shè)計(jì)的。F-35A比F-15EX便宜,大約8200萬(wàn)美元對(duì)9000萬(wàn)美元。不同之處在于F-35帶有所有內(nèi)置傳感器和燃料。使F-15EX有效的CFTs和任務(wù)吊艙是額外的成本。比較每小時(shí)成本也是如此。由于F-35所有東西都內(nèi)置,它會(huì)被計(jì)入所有費(fèi)用。F-15EX,他們更換一個(gè)吊艙,它在視線之外被修復(fù),其成本被計(jì)入其他地方,而不是飛行成本。
視頻中提到F-15EX對(duì)空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)有效的原因,它是較小的干擾,因?yàn)樗穷愃频奶娲?。改為F-35是一個(gè)重大的舉措,我看到有長(zhǎng)達(dá)2年的時(shí)間表才能讓它們重新運(yùn)行。
it says right in the video that the F-15EX is more expensive. You can also find it widely reported saying the same. The CFTs ARE and additional cost. The USAF only sought funding for them last year. Not sure why the fact the F-35 gets called a 'swiss army knife' it is a multi role strike fighter, so is the F-15E and all variation including the EX
視頻中明確說(shuō)F-15EX更貴。你也可以發(fā)現(xiàn)有廣泛的報(bào)道說(shuō)同樣的事情。CFTs確實(shí)是額外的成本。美國(guó)空軍去年才為它們尋求資金。不知道為什么F-35被稱為"瑞士軍刀",它是多角色打擊戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),F(xiàn)-15E和所有變體,包括EX也都是。
Swiss Army Knife because it is trying to be an Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps aircraft. These are three distinct missions. The F-15 was and is designed to be an air superiority fighter that does some side jobs. It has ONE customer, the Air Force. Believe it or not, the branches do not see eye to eye on much. And, no, it does not cost more based on a bot's assertion in a video.
瑞士軍刀是因?yàn)樗噲D成為空軍、海軍和海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)的飛機(jī)。這是三個(gè)截然不同的任務(wù)。F-15被設(shè)計(jì)并是一架空中優(yōu)勢(shì)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),做一些兼職工作。它有一個(gè)客戶,空軍。信不信由你,這些部門在很多問(wèn)題上并不看法一致。而且,不,它并不比視頻里一個(gè)機(jī)器人的說(shuō)法更貴。
@misspuddles63 I believe the 15,000- 20,000 hour airfrx of the F-15EX is what beats out all F-35s which is why it's far more cost-effective to go with the F-15EX. It's also the fasted fighter in the world, can carry a larger payload, and carry out the same missions as any F-35 other than carrier missions. F-15EX and F-35C (carrier fighter) have have the same operational distance of 1,200nm (1380.935 miles)
我相信F-15EX的15000-20000小時(shí)的機(jī)身是它勝過(guò)所有F-35的地方,這就是為什么選擇F-15EX更經(jīng)濟(jì)。它也是世界上最快的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),可以攜帶更大的載荷,執(zhí)行任何F-35(除了航母任務(wù))相同的任務(wù)。F-15EX和F-35C(航母戰(zhàn)斗機(jī))具有相同的1200海里(1380.935英里)的操作距離。
Maybe because we got Typhoons? Similar capabilities but a lot lower radar signature.
可能是因?yàn)槲覀冇信_(tái)風(fēng)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)?類似的能力但雷達(dá)信號(hào)更低。
f-35c’s are for carriers, F-35a’s are for the air force and the B models for marine corps and ski jump aircraft carriers and small support helicopter carriers.
F-35C是為航母設(shè)計(jì)的,F(xiàn)-35A是為空軍設(shè)計(jì)的,B型是為海軍陸戰(zhàn)隊(duì)和滑躍起飛航空母艦以及小型支援直升機(jī)航母設(shè)計(jì)的。
Right on!!! Stealth is needed when you are vying for airspace dominance……after that’s done, then, sheath isn’t really needed. Planes should be designed for 40~55 years life……wars done happen everyday….but they do happen. A long shelf life fighter is Economically efficient.
太對(duì)了!當(dāng)你在爭(zhēng)奪空中優(yōu)勢(shì)時(shí)需要隱形……在那之后,就不需要了。飛機(jī)應(yīng)該設(shè)計(jì)有40~55年的使用壽命……戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)不是每天都發(fā)生……但它們確實(shí)會(huì)發(fā)生。一架長(zhǎng)壽命的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)在經(jīng)濟(jì)上是高效的。
F-35C are for carriers. F-35B are for pocket carriers…..USS Bantaan
F-35C是為航母設(shè)計(jì)的。F-35B是為袖珍航母——USS巴丹號(hào)。
Maintenance cost
Moscow weapon is useless why use expensive toys
But f22 look really good
維護(hù)成本
莫斯科武器沒(méi)用,為什么要用昂貴的玩具
但F-22看起來(lái)真的很棒
Would not be a bad Idea The F15EX is a significant upgrade over the older F15.
不會(huì)是個(gè)壞主意 F-15EX比舊的F-15有了顯著升級(jí)。
The fact this platform is still flying is a true testament to the F-15, while the avionics suite has been upxed over the decade, the kill ratio to no losses is insane!
這個(gè)平臺(tái)仍在飛行,這真正證明了F-15的實(shí)力,雖然航電套件在過(guò)去十年里已經(jīng)更新了,但擊殺比無(wú)損失是瘋狂的!
Say the same about Russian planes so doesnt mean the longevity means its good. Not saying its shit by the way. Yes it was the top of its generation for its time
對(duì)俄羅斯飛機(jī)也可以這么說(shuō),所以長(zhǎng)壽并不意味著它好。我不是說(shuō)它很差。是的,它在它的時(shí)代是那一代的頂尖。
no ruzzian airfrx can compare at all
Plenty of Russian airfrxs are just as capable. The f15 never fought a near pier
沒(méi)有俄羅斯飛機(jī)能比較
許多俄羅斯飛機(jī)同樣有能力。F-15從未參加過(guò)近戰(zhàn)
It's funny how people don't know that the F-16 has the same record, with twice the number of flight hours.
有趣的是,人們不知道F-16有同樣的記錄,飛行小時(shí)數(shù)是它的兩倍。
Not really funny since this is not true. The F-16 record is 76-1-5. Seventy-six wins, 1 loss and 5 lost to ground fire.
這并不有趣,因?yàn)檫@不是真的。F-16的記錄是76-1-5。76次勝利,1次失利和5次被地面火力擊落。
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The one loss is not USAF, it's some garbage irrelevant country (Pakistan) that shouldn't even have them. Do you think no F-15 has ever been lost to ground fire? No, there's been 3. Considering the F-16 has twice the fight hours and flies the harder missions, that's not bad.
那次失利不是美國(guó)空軍的,是一些垃圾無(wú)關(guān)的國(guó)家(巴基斯坦)甚至不應(yīng)該擁有它們。你認(rèn)為沒(méi)有F-15被地面火力擊落過(guò)嗎?不,有3次??紤]到F-16有兩倍的飛行小時(shí)數(shù)并且執(zhí)行更困難的任務(wù),這還不錯(cuò)。
The only aircraft ever flown with one wing torn completely off. I would have bet any amount of money that such a thing was impossible.
唯一一種飛過(guò)一翼完全脫落的飛機(jī)。我本來(lái)會(huì)賭任何金額這樣的事情是不可能的。
We need at least 50 of them here in Poland. I know our government was considering buying them a year ago or so. F-35s - yes, as they're already in production for us I believe, but the F15-EX is absolutely necessary here these days as well.
我們?cè)诓ㄌm至少需要50架。我知道我們政府大約一年前考慮購(gòu)買它們。F-35是的,因?yàn)槲蚁嘈潘鼈円呀?jīng)為我們生產(chǎn)了,但F-15EX這些天在這里也是絕對(duì)必要的。
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90% the mission 50% the cost of F35
任務(wù)完成度90%,F(xiàn)-35的成本50%。
this is one heck of a fighter jet!!
I agree with the air force buying more f15 simply because it’s faster carries more and more capabilities.
這真是一架了不起的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)!
我同意空軍購(gòu)買更多的F-15,因?yàn)樗欤瑪y帶更多,功能更多。
Do I ever wish the Canadian government would purchase this fighter plus a bunch of f16s as well as the compliment of F35s that we are getting. Beautiful aircraft and I think we should upgrade our fleet of CF18s then we would be back in the hunt with a very strong military again. The guys up are well trained but not a large enough force. This way we can always be able to back up our brothers and sisters in the US.
我真希望加拿大政府能購(gòu)買這架戰(zhàn)斗機(jī),還有一批F-16,以及我們正在獲得的F-35的補(bǔ)充。這架飛機(jī)太美了,我認(rèn)為我們應(yīng)該升級(jí)我們的CF18機(jī)隊(duì),然后我們將再次擁有一個(gè)非常強(qiáng)大的軍事力量。上面的家伙訓(xùn)練有素,但人數(shù)不夠。這樣我們總能夠支持我們?cè)诿绹?guó)的兄弟姐妹。
The F-15 was an absolutely fantastic aircraft when I was first "introduced" to it in 1975. Amazing that it is still a formidable aircraft nearly fifty years later.
1975年我第一次"接觸"F-15時(shí),它絕對(duì)是一架非常棒的飛機(jī)。令人驚訝的是,近五十年后,它仍然是一架強(qiáng)大的飛機(jī)。
The Air National Guard does not need stealth.
空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)不需要隱形。
You missed a huge key consideration, Air Guard is about people as well as mission. Air Guard airplanes with 2 seats requires twice as many personnel authorized in the cockpit. In addition, part time, non Title 10 folks trained to maintain F-15 airplanes would have to find time AND money in their already tight budgets to retrain their entire maintenance force in addition to costs associated with shelters and maintenance of the F35’s skin which is not an issue for the F15’s.
你忽略了一個(gè)重要的考慮因素,空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)是關(guān)于人以及任務(wù)的??罩袊?guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)的雙座飛機(jī)需要雙倍的授權(quán)人員在駕駛艙。此外,兼職的非Title 10人員接受F-15飛機(jī)培訓(xùn)將不得不在他們已經(jīng)很緊張的預(yù)算中找到時(shí)間和資金來(lái)重新培訓(xùn)他們的整個(gè)維護(hù)隊(duì)伍,除了與F-35的皮膚相關(guān)的成本,這不是F-15的問(wèn)題。
It is those air national guard pilots they have thousands of them before retirement and they can fly this "new" F-15 without much re-training that is the reason. I don't know if the f-35 woiuld be a big tactical addition or not ... others can comment on that but for an older pilot flying basically same plane is a plus ...
就是那些空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)飛行員,他們有成千上萬(wàn)的人,在退休前,他們可以在不需要太多再培訓(xùn)的情況下飛行這架"新"F-15。我不知道F-35是否會(huì)是一個(gè)大的戰(zhàn)術(shù)補(bǔ)充……其他人可以評(píng)論,但對(duì)于一個(gè)老飛行員來(lái)說(shuō),飛行基本上相同的飛機(jī)是一個(gè)加分項(xiàng)……
The GE engines on this jet are seriously impressive. Combined with the fly-by-wire flight controls. This jets performance is incredible.
這架飛機(jī)上的GE引擎真的給人留下深刻印象。結(jié)合電傳飛控。這架飛機(jī)的性能令人難以置信。
The F-22 is still the beast of them all. The whole airforce family is top tier
F-22仍然是它們中最好的。整個(gè)空軍家族都是頂級(jí)的。
F-15 will not go alone in a combat mission it will accompanied by other combat aircraft such as F-18 growler for electronic warfare and F-35a and F-16 to defend F-15 in dogfight from other incoming targets in case F-15 aircraft mission carried important package to take down the site of the enemy.
Features and upgrades of F-15 is just it can defend itself when the situation is vulnerable.
F-15不會(huì)獨(dú)自執(zhí)行戰(zhàn)斗任務(wù),它將由其他戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)陪同,如F-18"咆哮者"進(jìn)行電子戰(zhàn),F(xiàn)-35A和F-16保衛(wèi)F-15,以防在狗斗中來(lái)自其他目標(biāo)的F-15飛機(jī)任務(wù)攜帶了重要包裹以摧毀敵人的地點(diǎn)。
F-15的特點(diǎn)和升級(jí)只是它在情況脆弱時(shí)能夠自衛(wèi)。
If the mission doesn’t require stealth, the f-15ex can outperform the F-35 and F-22. Its faster and carries 2-3x more ordinance. Also carries missles that wont fit on 22/35.
如果任務(wù)不需要隱形,F(xiàn)-15EX可以超越F-35和F-22。它更快,攜帶2-3倍的武器。還可以攜帶不適合22/35的導(dǎo)彈。
It’s just amazing how big those engines are on the f-15.
F-15上的發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)尺寸之大真是令人驚嘆。
ANG has homeland air defense and intercept mission. They need top speed , climb rate, cost of operation efficiency, unrefueled endurance, and weapons carriage. All of which F-15EX excells that over F-35 and some over F-22. It can also do potential anti-satelite, and do all air-ground that current F-15E does.
空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)負(fù)責(zé)本土防空和截?fù)羧蝿?wù)。他們需要最高速度、爬升率、運(yùn)行成本效率、不加油續(xù)航能力和武器攜帶能力。在這些方面,F(xiàn)-15EX都優(yōu)于F-35,有些方面甚至優(yōu)于F-22。它還可以執(zhí)行潛在的反衛(wèi)星任務(wù),以及目前F-15E能做的所有空地任務(wù)。
I love the F-15! Beautiful aircraft with a helluva punch!
I just wish they'd kept the Blackbird in service too!
That can do surprise recon missions which satellites can't do.
我非常喜歡F-15戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)!它不僅外觀漂亮,而且打擊力極強(qiáng)!
真希望他們也能繼續(xù)讓黑鳥偵察機(jī)服役!
它能執(zhí)行一些衛(wèi)星無(wú)法完成的突然偵察任務(wù)。
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Perfect for Air Guard.
Faster, lower op cost, more versatile, and the best, proven, aircraft ever, for overall Interceptor functions. imo
Brute force, agile enough, able to get to possible incoming threats, fastest. Given mission parameters being defense over homeland space, the EX makes tons of sense. Stealth doesn't matter when deterrence is much of the specter during intercept and interdiction of potential bogies. What matters is arriving to BVR strike range, and visual ID, as fast as possible.
A baseline mission where a squadron of Eagles is most capable of causing threats to bug out, or be eliminated.
非常適合空中國(guó)民警衛(wèi)隊(duì)。
更快,運(yùn)行成本更低,更多樣化,并且是最好的、經(jīng)過(guò)驗(yàn)證的、有史以來(lái)最適合攔截功能的飛機(jī)。在我看來(lái),就野蠻力量、足夠敏捷、能夠迅速應(yīng)對(duì)可能的入侵威脅、最快到達(dá)BVR(超視距)打擊范圍和視覺(jué)識(shí)別而言,EX非常有意義。在攔截和攔截潛在目標(biāo)的過(guò)程中,隱身并不重要,因?yàn)橥卦诤艽蟪潭壬鲜侨蝿?wù)的一部分。重要的是盡快到達(dá)BVR打擊范圍,并盡可能快地進(jìn)行視覺(jué)識(shí)別。
在基本任務(wù)中,一支由鷹式飛機(jī)組成的中隊(duì)最有能力使威脅撤退或被消滅。
I love this aircraft but have lost faith in Boeing:/
我愛(ài)這款飛機(jī),但對(duì)波音公司失去了信心。
The f15ex can be paired with stealth combat drones to improve the eagle's chances to overwhelm stealth capabilities of peer adversaries as a low cost alternative to the projected 300million dollar NGAD.
The NGAD is a priority aircraft procurement program but it's prohibitive cost gives doubt that it will ever get built in the numbers the USAF needs.
Maybe it is also time to rebuild the B1 bomber into an air-air missile carrier networked with f22s and fighter drones in order to fight peer challengers like Chinese J20 and Russian SU57 aircraft.
F-15EX可以與隱形戰(zhàn)斗無(wú)人機(jī)配對(duì),以提高鷹式飛機(jī)壓倒同等級(jí)對(duì)手隱形能力的機(jī)會(huì),作為一種低成本替代預(yù)計(jì)耗資3億美元的NGAD(下一代空中優(yōu)勢(shì)戰(zhàn)斗機(jī))。
NGAD是一個(gè)優(yōu)先采購(gòu)計(jì)劃,但它的價(jià)格令人望而卻步,讓人懷疑它是否會(huì)以美國(guó)空軍所需的數(shù)量建造。
也許現(xiàn)在也是時(shí)候?qū)1轟炸機(jī)改造成空空導(dǎo)彈載體,與F22和戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)無(wú)人機(jī)聯(lián)網(wǎng),以對(duì)抗像中國(guó)的J20和俄羅斯的SU57這樣的同等級(jí)挑戰(zhàn)者。