為什么許多韓國(guó)人認(rèn)為自己的國(guó)家是一個(gè)大國(guó)?他們不知道韓國(guó)有多小嗎?
Do South Koreans know how small their country is?譯文簡(jiǎn)介
網(wǎng)友:絕大部分普通人不關(guān)心歷史,政治和國(guó)際,人們只關(guān)心自己的工作,生活,情感和糾紛所以,對(duì)國(guó)家的映像大部分來(lái)自于通識(shí)教育和媒體影響。,看看韓國(guó)書(shū)籍上的地圖,你可以理解為什么會(huì)發(fā)生這種現(xiàn)象......
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@Amber Zhan
Most ordinary people don't care about history, politics and international affairs. People only care about their work, life, emotions and disputes. Therefore, most of the impression of the country comes from general education and media influence. Look at the map in Korean books, you can understand why this phenomenon occurs.
絕大部分普通人不關(guān)心歷史,政治和國(guó)際
人們只關(guān)心自己的工作,生活,情感和糾紛
所以,對(duì)國(guó)家的映像大部分來(lái)自于通識(shí)教育和媒體影響。
看看韓國(guó)書(shū)籍上的地圖,你可以理解為什么會(huì)發(fā)生這種現(xiàn)象
Most ordinary people don't care about history, politics and international affairs. People only care about their work, life, emotions and disputes. Therefore, most of the impression of the country comes from general education and media influence. Look at the map in Korean books, you can understand why this phenomenon occurs.
絕大部分普通人不關(guān)心歷史,政治和國(guó)際
人們只關(guān)心自己的工作,生活,情感和糾紛
所以,對(duì)國(guó)家的映像大部分來(lái)自于通識(shí)教育和媒體影響。
看看韓國(guó)書(shū)籍上的地圖,你可以理解為什么會(huì)發(fā)生這種現(xiàn)象
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It’s true. Because they have many such kind of maps.
這是真的。因?yàn)樗麄冇泻芏噙@樣的地圖。
This is an ad posted by a company claiming they are getting more attention globally, not an actual map.
這是一家公司發(fā)布的廣告,聲稱他們?cè)谌颢@得了更多關(guān)注,而不是一張實(shí)際的地圖。
Kim Jong Un will be furious. wkwkwk
金正恩會(huì)暴怒的。哈哈哈
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The external manifestation of extreme inferiority is extreme boasting.
極度自卑的外在表現(xiàn)就是極度自夸。
The below is the map posted by S.korea SBS TV channel. Should admit that SBS is very cunning cuz they didn’t exaggerate so ridiculous as above but still they stealthily amplify their land in the map from 1 to 2x.
下面是韓國(guó)SBS電視臺(tái)發(fā)布的地圖。必須承認(rèn)SBS很狡猾,因?yàn)樗麄儧](méi)有像上面的地圖那樣荒唐地夸大,但他們?nèi)匀煌低档貙⒌貓D上的土地?cái)U(kuò)大了1到2倍。
這是正常的真實(shí)地圖。
對(duì)比這兩張地圖。
顯然,韓國(guó)正在故意系統(tǒng)地扭曲他們的地圖來(lái)誤導(dǎo)他們的人民,就像他們從鄰國(guó)偷竊文化和歷史一樣。
他們可以洗腦和欺騙他們的人民,但不能欺騙世界上的其他人。
@Sean Landy ??????? ???? 陸
可憐的日本,在地圖上看起來(lái)就像新西蘭那樣的小島…..
That’s just 3 places on the map (Thailand, Hong Kong, Korea) highlighted and put close to show the audience where they are talking about.
那只是地圖上的三個(gè)地方(泰國(guó)、香港(特區(qū))、韓國(guó))被突出顯示并放在一起,以向觀眾展示他們?cè)谡務(wù)撌裁础?/b>
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Education is important in a country, and apparently Korea is terrible at it.
教育在一個(gè)國(guó)家中很重要,顯然韓國(guó)在這方面很糟糕。
U are right.
你是對(duì)的。
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How can Korea be terrible at history while they can simply invent it?
韓國(guó)怎么會(huì)在歷史上糟糕,他們可以隨便編造歷史。
@水水淼淼
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由于韓國(guó)不教漢字,年輕的韓國(guó)人不了解真實(shí)的歷史。韓國(guó)的歷史書(shū)是用漢字寫(xiě)的。
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Didn't get it?I mean some of their history is invented, not recorded.
沒(méi)明白嗎?我是說(shuō)他們的一些歷史是編造的,而不是記錄的。
@Joe Dart
Yes - this is a picture of it.
是的——這是它的照片。
Yes, they are doing this intentionally and systematically.
是的,他們正在故意和系統(tǒng)地這樣做。
Really amusing. No wonder why they always claim Chinese things as theirs.
真的很有趣。難怪他們總是把中國(guó)的東西說(shuō)成是他們的。
I don't think the sane ones do
我不認(rèn)為理智的人會(huì)這樣做。
那些會(huì)這樣做的人,尤其是在Quora上的人,說(shuō)話都不正常。
This is what gives them the ego.
這就是讓他們自負(fù)的原因。
I dont know if your being sarcastic or actually curious cuz the map is clearly exaggerating the size of Korea like I think it says its some type of design thing or smthn in the book, Koreans use normal world maps like anywhere else.
我不知道你是在諷刺還是確實(shí)好奇,因?yàn)檫@張地圖顯然夸大了韓國(guó)的面積,我認(rèn)為它是在書(shū)中某種設(shè)計(jì)的東西,韓國(guó)人使用的世界地圖和其他地方一樣。
The below is the map posted by S.korea SBS TV channel. Should admit that SBS is very cunning cuz they didn’t exaggerate so ridiculous as above but still they stealthily amplify their land in the map from 1 to 2x.
下面是韓國(guó)SBS電視臺(tái)發(fā)布的地圖。必須承認(rèn)SBS很狡猾,因?yàn)樗麄儧](méi)有像上面的地圖那樣荒唐地夸大,但他們?nèi)匀煌低档貙⒌貓D上的土地?cái)U(kuò)大了1到2倍。
這是正常的真實(shí)地圖。
對(duì)比這兩張地圖。
顯然,韓國(guó)正在故意系統(tǒng)地扭曲他們的地圖來(lái)誤導(dǎo)他們的人民,就像他們從鄰國(guó)偷竊文化和歷史一樣。
他們可以洗腦和欺騙他們的人民,但不能欺騙世界上的其他人。
damn I think you might have a point with the photo above but still I think it was likely created bigger to show the locations better in Korea, and I doubt the South Korean media wants to intentionally make people think Korea is bigger than it is because most people in Korea know its a pretty small country like if you search ????(world map in korean) in korea it doesnt show anything with an enlarged korea.
Below is also a photo of the world map from a Korean textbook
which has Korea correctly scaled.
This answer sums it up really well in my opinion
該死,我覺(jué)得你說(shuō)的有道理,但我仍然認(rèn)為地圖被放大是為了更好地顯示韓國(guó)的位置,我懷疑韓國(guó)媒體會(huì)故意讓人們認(rèn)為韓國(guó)比實(shí)際大,因?yàn)榇蠖鄶?shù)韓國(guó)人知道這是一個(gè)很小的國(guó)家,就像在韓國(guó)搜索世界地圖(韓語(yǔ)中的世界地圖),它不會(huì)顯示任何放大的韓國(guó)。
下面也是韓國(guó)教科書(shū)中的世界地圖照片。
其中韓國(guó)的比例是正確的。
在我看來(lái),這個(gè)答案很好地總結(jié)了問(wèn)題。
Thank you for telling us some other side story. But just as you said, man would be more easily influenced by the media rather than the textbooks. Suppose I were a South Korean, I watch episode of running man in SBS TV show, I read some advertisment from the newspaper, and all the Korean map has been intentionally enlarged, of course I will get the idea that South Korea is so big! And this process is silently and imperceptibly implanted into your brain. The implanting of such distorted knowledge leads to the arrogance and ignorance. I was once debating with a South Korean in Quora because he wrote an answer saying that South Korea was the start point of ancient silk road. Then I asked him: how do you plant so many mulberry trees since your barren land is so small and so cold in the winter? I said “barren land” didn't mean to offend you but it's true that even now you couldn't make cabbages self-sufficient and should rely on China. why the merchants from the far west to pass through the long territory of China to reach your pennisula to buy silk while they could actually be very easy to get these goods in the western area of China? I don’t want to repeat here his bulls**t sophism. What intrigued me is why this guy, a self-called retired policeman, could produce such ridiculous idea? Then I saw the intentionally exaggerated Korean maps. And I understood. If a man grew up at the atmosphere of such as “Korea is big in geography”, no strange this kind of guy would have the delusion of SOUTH KOREAN INVENTS EVERYTHING. Feel you’re a rational South Korean, so I wrote so long to reply you and hope you could know the other people’s perspective on South Koreans.
謝謝你告訴我們另一個(gè)故事。但是正如你所說(shuō),人更容易被媒體而不是教科書(shū)影響。假設(shè)我是一個(gè)韓國(guó)人,我看SBS電視節(jié)目中的《Running Man》的一集,我看報(bào)紙上的一些廣告,所有的韓國(guó)地圖都被故意放大,當(dāng)然我會(huì)覺(jué)得韓國(guó)很大!這個(gè)過(guò)程是悄無(wú)聲息地植入你的大腦中的。這樣的扭曲知識(shí)的植入導(dǎo)致了傲慢和無(wú)知。我曾在Quora上與一個(gè)韓國(guó)人辯論過(guò),因?yàn)樗麑?xiě)了一篇文章說(shuō)韓國(guó)是古代絲綢之路的起點(diǎn)。
然后我問(wèn)他:在你那么小且冬天那么冷的貧瘠土地上怎么種植那么多桑樹(shù)?我說(shuō)“貧瘠土地”并不是想冒犯你,但事實(shí)是即使現(xiàn)在你們也無(wú)法自給自足地種植白菜,還得依賴中國(guó)。為什么來(lái)自遠(yuǎn)西的商人要經(jīng)過(guò)中國(guó)的大片領(lǐng)土來(lái)到你們的半島買(mǎi)絲綢,而他們實(shí)際上可以很容易地在中國(guó)西部獲得這些商品?我不想在這里重復(fù)他的胡言亂語(yǔ)。令我好奇的是,為什么這個(gè)自稱退休警察的人會(huì)產(chǎn)生如此荒謬的想法?然后我看到了那些故意夸大的韓國(guó)地圖。我明白了。如果一個(gè)人在這樣的“韓國(guó)地理上很大”的氛圍中長(zhǎng)大,不奇怪這樣的人會(huì)有“韓國(guó)發(fā)明一切”的錯(cuò)覺(jué)。覺(jué)得你是一個(gè)理性的韓國(guó)人,所以我寫(xiě)了這么長(zhǎng)的回復(fù),希望你能知道其他人對(duì)韓國(guó)人的看法。
Thank you for your answer and I’m really curious. I’ve never been to South Korea and is planing a trip there next year.
謝謝你的回答,我真的很好奇。我從未去過(guò)韓國(guó),計(jì)劃明年去那里旅游。
Good luck. But many tourists back from S.Korea criticized they’re the very disgusting xenophobic racists unless you’re a Caucasian.
祝好運(yùn)。但很多從韓國(guó)回來(lái)的游客批評(píng)他們是非常令人厭惡的排外種族主義者,除非你是高加索人。
It's funny how the Korean government and media educate the Korean people like this
韓國(guó)政府和媒體這樣教育韓國(guó)人民真的很搞笑。
It’s just a simple emphasis lol, simply stressing: “we’re HERE!” Why should be so mad at this? I mean, do you sincerely believe that Koreans believe that their country is as big as that picture? Then, which is more stupid, few Koreans who believe that they are large, or people who believe that most Koreans trust this bullshit? I see nothing but a group of people who try to be smart and logical just to hate Korea more and more.
這只是一個(gè)簡(jiǎn)單的強(qiáng)調(diào)哈哈,僅僅是強(qiáng)調(diào):“我們?cè)谶@里!” 為什么要對(duì)此生氣?我的意思是,你真的相信韓國(guó)人相信他們的國(guó)家有那么大嗎?那么,哪個(gè)更蠢,是少數(shù)相信他們國(guó)家很大的韓國(guó)人,還是那些相信大多數(shù)韓國(guó)人信這個(gè)胡說(shuō)八道的人?我只看到一群試圖聰明和邏輯的人只是越來(lái)越討厭韓國(guó)。
For thousands of years, Korea has been a vassal state of China. Later, China declined and Korea became a colony of Japan. After the end of World War II, it was called the mistress and colony of the United States. Because it has developed rapidly as a mistress of the United States, Koreans will definitely whitewash their unbearable history. In short, Korea has always been dependent on big powers, and Korea is a poor place, which has created the extreme inferiority of Koreans, leading to the ignorance and arrogance of Koreans. Inferiority, ignorance, and arrogance, these qualities have also led to Korea stealing other countries' culture, history, food, celebrities, etc. everywhere, and have led to Koreans fabricating history and exaggerating their own strength. So, do you still think it is strange that Koreans do such things? Finally, I think they know that their country is small, otherwise they would be too stupid!
幾千年來(lái),韓國(guó)一直是中國(guó)的附屬國(guó)。后來(lái),中國(guó)衰落,韓國(guó)成為日本的殖民地。二戰(zhàn)結(jié)束后,它被稱為美國(guó)的情婦和殖民地。因?yàn)樗鳛槊绹?guó)的情婦迅速發(fā)展起來(lái),韓國(guó)人肯定會(huì)粉飾他們那難以忍受的歷史。簡(jiǎn)而言之,韓國(guó)一直依賴大國(guó),韓國(guó)是一個(gè)貧窮的地方,這造成了韓國(guó)人的極端自卑,導(dǎo)致了韓國(guó)人的無(wú)知和傲慢。自卑、無(wú)知和傲慢,這些品質(zhì)也導(dǎo)致了韓國(guó)到處竊取其他國(guó)家的文化、歷史、食物、名人等,并導(dǎo)致韓國(guó)人編造歷史并夸大自己的實(shí)力。所以,你還覺(jué)得韓國(guó)人做這些事情奇怪嗎?最后,我認(rèn)為他們知道自己的國(guó)家很小,否則他們就太愚蠢了!
Let’s get real, you are just trolling because no sane people would believe that’s an actual map. Just in case you genuinely believe so though, when somene draws their country big like that, it means they want to show that they are proud to be a person from that country, not that they think their country is actually thay big.
說(shuō)實(shí)話,你只是在搗亂,因?yàn)闆](méi)有理智的人會(huì)相信那是真實(shí)的地圖。不過(guò),以防萬(wàn)一你真的相信,當(dāng)有人把他們的國(guó)家畫(huà)得那么大時(shí),這意味著他們想表明他們?yōu)樽约菏悄莻€(gè)國(guó)家的人而感到自豪,而不是他們認(rèn)為自己的國(guó)家真的有那么大。
Sorry, but wrong entry point in criticizing Korea. Quite the opposite. If anything, many Koreans love to exaggerate how small they are - both in land and in population. Those excessively proud Koreans love to think of themselves as having inherited a tiny, god-forsaken strip of land at the end of Asia - with harsh weather conditions, inarable terrains made of mountains, zero natural resources, facing three hostile powers to the north, two nuclear superpowers including you, China, to boot - and yet they achieved economic prosperity. It is precisely in this sharp contrast that is the source of their pride. For what is so special about inheriting a big land from your ancestors? You have earned nothing on your own. What is so magical about beating a country in football that is 15 times smaller in population than you? Nil. Rien. Nichts. 無(wú). You Chinese never get it, do you? Korean vice is not in thinking how big they are geographically; it is in teaching and thinking far more diminutive in size than Korea really is, to induce harder work and efforts from the population, to block any spirit of complacency from slipping in, and to make any achievement appear all the more miraculous. All Korean children learn, ad-nauseam, that Korea is such a weak and small country (弱小國(guó)) and the handicap can only be overcome through their own sweat and tears. This self-deprecating rhetoric has continued to this day. So when you see a map that depicts Korea smaller than real, bring that to me - for that would signify Korean exaggeration and imply hubris.
抱歉,批評(píng)韓國(guó)的切入點(diǎn)錯(cuò)了。恰恰相反。很多韓國(guó)人喜歡夸大他們的小——無(wú)論是土地還是人口。那些過(guò)分驕傲的韓國(guó)人喜歡認(rèn)為自己繼承了亞洲盡頭一塊狹長(zhǎng)的土地——?dú)夂驐l件惡劣,多山,無(wú)法耕種,沒(méi)有自然資源,北面面臨三個(gè)敵對(duì)勢(shì)力,兩個(gè)核超級(jí)大國(guó),包括你們中國(guó)——但他們卻實(shí)現(xiàn)了經(jīng)濟(jì)繁榮。正是這種鮮明的對(duì)比成為他們驕傲的源泉。
從祖先那里繼承一塊大地有什么特別之處?你自己什么也沒(méi)賺到。在足球比賽中擊敗一個(gè)人口比你小15倍的國(guó)家有什么神奇之處?沒(méi)有。你們中國(guó)人永遠(yuǎn)都不明白,是嗎?韓國(guó)人的缺點(diǎn)不在于認(rèn)為他們的地理面積有多大;正是在教學(xué)和思考上,韓國(guó)的面積比實(shí)際要小得多,才能夠激勵(lì)人民更加努力工作,阻止自滿情緒的蔓延,使任何成就都顯得更加神奇。所有的韓國(guó)孩子都學(xué)過(guò),韓國(guó)是一個(gè)弱小的國(guó)家,只有通過(guò)自己的汗水和淚水才能克服這一缺陷。這種自嘲的言論一直延續(xù)到今天。所以,當(dāng)你看到一張把韓國(guó)畫(huà)得比實(shí)際小的地圖時(shí),請(qǐng)把它拿給我——因?yàn)槟且馕吨n國(guó)的夸張和傲慢。
Originally the Korean territory included also North Korea and also even small parts of what is currently Northeast coastal China . The ancient kingdom of Gojoseon and then Goguryeo included small parts of what is now China .
But of course, the overly arrogant and proud members of my fellow countrymen would like to believe in revisionist history and think that it was Ancient China instead who controlled those current territories. They’ll even just claim that the Mongolians who successfully invaded and took over during the Yuan Dynasty “became” Chinese themselves. I mean, definitely you could say that the descendants of the Mongolian commanders and soldiers who slept with Chinese women and men did become Chinese eventually. But the actual Mongolian invaders themselves definitely weren’t Chinese, they were Mongolian.
本來(lái)朝鮮領(lǐng)土還包括朝鮮,甚至還包括現(xiàn)在中國(guó)東北沿海的一小部分。古朝鮮王國(guó)和當(dāng)時(shí)的高句麗包括現(xiàn)在中國(guó)的一小部分。
但當(dāng)然,我的同胞們過(guò)于傲慢和驕傲,愿意相信修正主義歷史,并認(rèn)為是古代中國(guó)控制了現(xiàn)在的領(lǐng)土。他們甚至?xí)暦Q,在元朝時(shí)期成功入侵并占領(lǐng)中國(guó)的蒙古人自己“變成”了中國(guó)人。我的意思是,你絕對(duì)可以說(shuō),與中國(guó)女人和男人睡過(guò)的蒙古指揮官和士兵的后裔最終確實(shí)成為了中國(guó)人。但真正的蒙古入侵者本身絕對(duì)不是中國(guó)人,他們是蒙古人。
This is my latest article talk about the comparison between South Vietnam and South Korea in 50s and 60s and present today, please, read it when you have time, thank you very much:
Dang Yeon Sim's answer to Was South Vietnam more developed overall than South Korea in the 1950s-60s? This question compares the entirety of each country, not just Saigon and Seoul.
這是我今天最新的一篇文章,講的是50年代和60年代南越和韓國(guó)的比較,請(qǐng)大家有空的時(shí)候看一下,非常感謝:
對(duì)20世紀(jì)50年代至60年代南越總體上比韓國(guó)更發(fā)達(dá)嗎?這個(gè)問(wèn)題比較了每個(gè)國(guó)家的整體,而不僅僅是西貢和首爾。
Another great answer. Undoubtedly VN was more prosperous than Korea after Korean War and before Vietnam War because Korea was a pile of rubble.
另一個(gè)很好的答案。毫無(wú)疑問(wèn),在朝鮮戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)之后和越南戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)之前,越南比韓國(guó)更加繁榮,因?yàn)轫n國(guó)是一堆瓦礫。
No, 1954 to 1975 is Vietnam War. South Vietnam was more developed than South Korea despite the war was going on until United States and Alliance withdrew their army from South Vietnam in 1973 due to Joe Biden and Democratic Party in United States cut off the military support for Republic of South Vietnam that led to the the fall of South Vietnam in 1975. South Vietnam followed the democratic and election regime too early when com...st never stopped to invade and dye entire Asia in red, they were luckier than South Korea at the time but now, Vietnam is way more worse luck than South Korea and any other Asian countries due to the rule of Vietnamese com...st.
不,1954年到1975年是越南戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)。盡管戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)仍在繼續(xù),但南越比韓國(guó)更發(fā)達(dá),直到1973年美國(guó)和聯(lián)盟從南越撤軍,原因是喬·拜登和美國(guó)民主黨切斷了對(duì)南越共和國(guó)的軍事支持,導(dǎo)致1975年南越的垮臺(tái)。南越過(guò)早地遵循了民主和選舉制度,當(dāng)時(shí)***從未停止入侵并將整個(gè)亞洲染成紅色,他們當(dāng)時(shí)比韓國(guó)幸運(yùn),但現(xiàn)在,越南的運(yùn)氣要差得多,由于越共的統(tǒng)治,比韓國(guó)和任何其他亞洲國(guó)家都差要多。