雅加達(dá)是世界上下沉速度最快的城市,印尼在婆羅洲島耗資330億建設(shè)新首都計(jì)劃失敗 | 《華爾街日報(bào)》
Indonesia’s $33B Capital Relocation Plan Is Imploding | WSJ Breaking Ground譯文簡介
雅加達(dá)是世界上下沉速度最快的城市,印尼政府正將首都從爪哇島遷往 800 英里外的地方。Nusantara 將于下個(gè)月開放,但由于投資者撤出、項(xiàng)目負(fù)責(zé)人辭職以及工程尚未完工,這座城市的命運(yùn)仍不確定。
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The main reason behind moving Indonesian capital from Jakarta to Nusantara is never because of Jakarta's sinking problem. While it's true that it's one of the reason, but it's not the key reason.
The key reason is because economic development since our independence has always been only concentrated on Java island. So the moving of capital city will symbolize the moving from a Java-centrist development towards an Indonesian-centrist development.
As a native Kalimantan, I really appreciate this move as it'll also bring more and more development to our neglected massive island (3rd largest in the world, as big as the country of Turkey).
將印尼首都從雅加達(dá)遷移到努山達(dá)拉的主要原因從來都不是因?yàn)檠偶舆_(dá)下沉的問題。雖然這是原因之一,但不是關(guān)鍵原因。
關(guān)鍵原因在于自我們獨(dú)立以來的經(jīng)濟(jì)發(fā)展一直只集中在爪哇島上。因此,首都的遷移將象征著從以爪哇為中心的發(fā)展轉(zhuǎn)向以印尼為中心的發(fā)展。
作為一個(gè)加里曼丹本地人,我真的很欣賞這一舉措,因?yàn)樗矊槲覀儽缓鲆暤凝嫶髰u嶼(世界第三大,和土耳其國家一樣大)帶來更多的發(fā)展。
I don't know why Western medias seem to make you think that the main reason behind moving our capital city is because of Jakarta's sinking problem, it's not.
我不知道為什么西方媒體似乎讓你們覺得搬遷我們首都的主要原因是因?yàn)檠偶舆_(dá)的下沉問題,并不是。
這簡單地意味著向印尼中心的發(fā)展轉(zhuǎn)變,從爪哇中心的轉(zhuǎn)變。
Indonesia is building a new capital on the island of Boneo not because Jakarta is sinking.This was planned since Sukarno.Having the capital at the center of Indonesia will help evenly spread out development on all Indonesia's islands.Jakarta is improving and the government is reclaiming land and advancing Jakarta
印尼在婆羅洲島建設(shè)新首都并不是因?yàn)檠偶舆_(dá)正在下沉。這是自蘇加諾時(shí)代就計(jì)劃的。將首都設(shè)在印尼中心將有助于在所有印尼島嶼上均衡發(fā)展。雅加達(dá)正在改善,政府正在填海造地并推進(jìn)雅加達(dá)。
It's definitely a vanity and personal gain project. Jokowi's entire 2nd term was focused on securing his dynasty's legacy, as evident by the events leading up to his son's nomination as vice president.
Also consider that Prabowo's family owns a lot of the land surrounding Nusantara.
這絕對是一個(gè)虛榮和個(gè)人利益項(xiàng)目。佐科維的整個(gè)第二任期都專注于確保他的王朝遺產(chǎn),這一點(diǎn)從他兒子被提名為副總統(tǒng)之前的事件中可以看出。
還要考慮普拉博沃家族擁有努山達(dá)拉周圍大量土地的事實(shí)。
The problem they have is that they're trying to relocate capital, not the CAPITOL....
他們的問題在于他們試圖遷移首都,而不是國會(huì)大廈...
@Pmooli abuja was not designed as an economic capital but an administrative one. Nusantara aim to be both and this is where the problem starts, the aim is wayyy to big
阿布賈不是作為經(jīng)濟(jì)首都而設(shè)計(jì),而是作為行政首都。努山達(dá)拉旨在兩者兼得,這就是問題開始的地方,目標(biāo)過于宏大。
@kingsimba9513 yes.. because Majority Indonesia agree to building of Nusantara lol.
是的...因?yàn)榇蠖鄶?shù)印尼人同意建設(shè)努山達(dá)拉,哈哈。
The whole point of the new capital was to separate Jakarta’s role as a Economy and political city and also Indonesia was criticized to be Java centric for development (which is one of the reasons why Jokowi is hated) and with Nusantara created it will be Indonesia’s Washington DC and like the video stated Borneo (Kalimantan) will be better connectivity islands
新首都的全部意義在于將雅加達(dá)作為經(jīng)濟(jì)和政治城市的角色分離開來,并且印尼因發(fā)展以爪哇為中心而受到批評(這也是佐科維不受歡迎的原因之一),隨著努山達(dá)拉的建立,它將成為印尼的華盛頓特區(qū),正如視頻所述,婆羅洲(加里曼丹)將更好地連接島嶼。
33 billion for a city of 2.5 million is insanely cheap by some measures. For context - the World Cup stadium in Qatar costed 50+ billion and was basically only used for a week.
從某些方面來看,對于一個(gè)人口 250 萬的城市來說,330 億的造價(jià)簡直便宜得離譜。作為參考,卡塔爾世界杯體育場造價(jià)超過 500 億,而且基本上只使用了一周。
My only concern is the price tag i.e. $33 billion. Indonesia is a poor country (per capita) and as such the cost of labor and building material are cheap. Either Indonesian government is building a grand new capital in a sparsely populated area 'cause of ego or because of corruption. Embezzlement of taxpayers money is common among Indonesian politicians.
我唯一擔(dān)心的是價(jià)格標(biāo)簽,即330億美元。印尼是一個(gè)人均貧窮的國家,因此勞動(dòng)力和建筑材料的成本都很低。無論是出于自負(fù)還是腐敗,印尼政府都在人口稀少的地區(qū)建造一個(gè)宏偉的新首都。印尼政治家挪用納稅人的錢是常見的。
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Yes malaysia also built $100 billion (called forest city) and it was a total failure so cost wise its fairly cheap ( nusantara is 2x the size of new york)
是的,馬來西亞也建造了耗資 1000 億美元的項(xiàng)目(稱為森林城市),但最終卻失敗了,因此從成本上來說它相當(dāng)便宜(努沙登加拉的面積是紐約的 2 倍)
Thing is Qatar has lots of money. Indonesia on the other hand...
問題是卡塔爾有很多錢。另一方面,印度尼西亞……
Look at GDP/capita and look at 1 in 3 babies in Indonesia have been stunting.
看看人均GDP,再看看印尼有三分之一的嬰兒發(fā)育遲緩。
@seanrafabagass we have the choice not to build it anyway since they never asked the people for it. Only when deciding the name they did a contest. Looking at the developer invested on it, Im incline to think this just gonna be another BSD, PIK, Meikarta thing
我們有選擇不建設(shè)它的權(quán)利,因?yàn)樗麄儚奈淳痛苏髟冞^民眾的意見。只有在命名時(shí),他們才舉辦了一個(gè)競賽??紤]到開發(fā)商在這方面的投入,我傾向于認(rèn)為這可能只是另一個(gè)像BSD、PIK、Meikarta那樣的項(xiàng)目。
Malaysia's Putrajaya city costed USD 8 billion to build in 1995 which is about USD 16 billion at today's inflation value.
馬來西亞的普特拉賈亞市于 1995 年建成,耗資 80 億美元,按今天的通貨膨脹率計(jì)算,約為 160 億美元。
In a country with the needs, population, size of Indonesia, it's an absurd waste of money and effort.
對于像印度尼西亞這樣有需求、有人口、有面積的國家來說,這簡直是浪費(fèi)金錢和精力。
? @kaimargonar1000 Only Indonesia's government annual budget is already more than Qatar's whole GDP. Well yeah we're poor ofc, but atleast we have much bigger economy and activities going on than Qatar
僅印度尼西亞政府的年度預(yù)算就已經(jīng)超過了卡塔爾的整個(gè) GDP。當(dāng)然,我們確實(shí)很窮,但至少我們的經(jīng)濟(jì)規(guī)模和活動(dòng)規(guī)模比卡塔爾大得多
Forget all those bad narration for nusantara, as Indonesians, most of us surely believe that IKN is the perfect choice for us.
忘掉所有關(guān)于 Nusantara 的負(fù)面評價(jià)吧,作為印尼人,我們大多數(shù)人肯定相信 IKN 是我們完美的選擇。
@alfianmuhammad1335 The airport will be finished by the end of this month and the independence celebration in the new capital is going ahead as planned.
機(jī)場將于本月底完工,新首都的獨(dú)立慶祝活動(dòng)將按計(jì)劃進(jìn)行。
@esashaik1372 Baca lagi beritanya Pak Basuki aja minta maaf bandara IKN belum jadi untuk upacara 17 Agustus
再讀一遍新聞,Basuki 先生剛剛就 IKN 機(jī)場尚未為 8 月 17 日的儀式做好準(zhǔn)備表示歉意。
@rizkywirawan2285 Yes the airport was delayed due to bad weather but expect to finish it by the end of this month.
是的,機(jī)場由于惡劣天氣而延誤,但預(yù)計(jì)將于本月底完工。
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@irtidzar sure, I followed the progress of its development from when it was a forest and hills until now it has become a nearly finished city.
當(dāng)然,我從它還是一片森林和山丘的時(shí)候就關(guān)注了它的發(fā)展,直到現(xiàn)在它幾乎已經(jīng)變成了一個(gè)完整的城市。
Naming a city Nusantara, is like naming a city America. Nusantara is the historical name for the entire Maritime South East Asia region.
給一個(gè)城市命名為Nusantara,就像給一個(gè)城市命名為America一樣。Nusantara是整個(gè)海上東南亞地區(qū)的歷史名稱。
that way they can claim nusantra only indonesia
那樣他們就可以聲稱Nusantara只屬于印尼了。
So more like naming a city Mediterranean
所以更像是給一個(gè)城市命名為地中海。
That's right, Jokowi choose it only because want grandiose name, he doesn't realize it will duing that name
沒錯(cuò),Jokowi選擇這個(gè)名字只是因?yàn)橄胍粋€(gè)宏偉的名字,他沒有意識到這會(huì)貶低那個(gè)名字。
? @robbi2380 not really, he chooses that name simply because it's easier to remember by commoners.
@robbi2380 不完全是,他選擇這個(gè)名字只是因?yàn)槠胀ㄈ烁菀子涀 ?/b>
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Penamaanya emang jelek sih.
這個(gè)名字確實(shí)起得不好。
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@cesyneighistaut3451 Like naming a city Atlantic City?
像給一個(gè)城市命名為大西洋城?
Also like naming a new city "Arab".
也像給一個(gè)新城市命名為"阿拉伯"。
? @kzugert and the garuda is originaly a name from india.
鷹(Garuda)最初是來自印度的名字。
? @Raryrary Not to forget Towns named St Petersburg, Peking etc.
不要忘了還有名為圣彼得堡、北京等的城鎮(zhèn)。
Im from the same Island Borneo, Malaysia. On our side we kinda hope Indonesia do able to make this project happen. it definitely can help both country to grow. Brunei aswell.
我來自同一個(gè)島嶼婆羅洲,馬來西亞。在我們這邊,我們希望印尼能夠?qū)崿F(xiàn)這個(gè)項(xiàng)目。這無疑可以幫助兩國發(fā)展。文萊也是。
Don’t worry, this project will be successful..
別擔(dān)心,這個(gè)項(xiàng)目會(huì)成功的
No it makes the country look even worse. Why are they spending 30 billion on a city that can house 2.5 million? Of course it will be all luxury housing.
不,這使這個(gè)國家看起來更糟。他們?yōu)槭裁匆谝粋€(gè)能容納250萬人口的城市上花費(fèi)300億美元?當(dāng)然,那里全都是豪華住宅。
? @trvst5938 ofc it'll be luxury because it'll most likely host Indonesia's enormous millions of civil servants and its family, it's sign of appreciation and rewards of their service to the people. Also some people (incl me) might be interested to move to this new city.
當(dāng)然會(huì)是豪華的,因?yàn)樗芸赡軙?huì)容納印尼數(shù)百萬的公務(wù)員及其家庭,這是對他們?yōu)槿嗣穹?wù)的一種賞識和獎(jiǎng)勵(lì)。還有一些人(包括我)可能有興趣搬到這個(gè)新城市。
Because one of the goals for IKN is for housing of civil servant... not us ordinary civiliant. Many in Here doesn't want to relocate that easily... it comes with price. I am from Indonesia.
因?yàn)镮KN的目標(biāo)之一是為公務(wù)員提供住房...而不是我們普通平民。這里的許多人并不想輕易搬遷...這需要付出代價(jià)。我來自印尼。
@paulinenathania199 that's very true. But the target of 2.5 million population is very achievable don't worry. You said many here, out of 280 million, let's say if 270 million won't move, 10 million might still be interested.
這是非常真實(shí)的。但不用擔(dān)心,250萬人口的目標(biāo)是很容易實(shí)現(xiàn)的。你在這里說許多人,如果2.8億中有2.7億不會(huì)搬,可能還有1000萬人會(huì)感興趣。
hi an indonesian here, the project is actually kinda close to 2 of the largest city in the kalimantan island (indonesian city), so its not entirely like far away in the middle of the jungle. as of right now the presidential building is iconic enough to be a tourist destination i guess if everything suddenly halts.
大家好,我是印尼人,這個(gè)項(xiàng)目實(shí)際上離加里曼丹島(印尼城市)上的兩個(gè)最大城市相當(dāng)近,所以它并不是完全位于叢林深處。就目前而言,如果一切突然停止,總統(tǒng)大樓已經(jīng)足夠成為標(biāo)志性的旅游目的地。
Nah, The project itself already pretty advanced and the President already took office there, they would finish it.
嗯,項(xiàng)目本身已經(jīng)很先進(jìn)了,總統(tǒng)也已經(jīng)在那里辦公了,他們會(huì)完成它的。
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Indonesia has only natural resources, the rest of this country has nothing. It does not have technology, manufacturing, information technology, Military. There is only one world class city in this country, the rest are all towns. This country survives only by exporting natural resources.
Some Indonesians think that by making 1 HSR ( 100 km), they have become quite advanced. Indonesia's metro system is only 20 km. There are only 2500 start ups in Indonesia. Indonesia is embarrassing to be called as Big country.
印尼只有自然資源,這個(gè)國家的其余部分什么都沒有。它沒有技術(shù)、制造業(yè)、信息技術(shù)、軍事。這個(gè)國家只有一個(gè)世界級城市,其余的都是小鎮(zhèn)。這個(gè)國家僅靠出口自然資源生存。
一些印尼人認(rèn)為,通過建造1條HSR(100公里),他們已經(jīng)相當(dāng)先進(jìn)了。印尼的地鐵系統(tǒng)僅有20公里。印尼只有2500家初創(chuàng)公司。被稱為大國的印尼令人尷尬。
it not stop, almost finish 1st project, and also protect by government rule so whoever the president must continue it, because it's vision of the founder of indonesia, and Mr President Jokowi executed it, the only person that has brave to executed project for the citizens and for the people that live in the island
它沒有停止,幾乎完成了第一個(gè)項(xiàng)目,而且受到政府規(guī)定的保護(hù),所以無論誰是總統(tǒng)都必須繼續(xù)它,因?yàn)樗怯∧釀?chuàng)始人的愿景,而Jokowi總統(tǒng)執(zhí)行了它,他是唯一有勇氣為公民和生活在島上的人執(zhí)行項(xiàng)目的人
? @briantarigan7685 I hope that those real estate projects are connected to the commuter railway network. Indonesia does not need US-style car-centric suburbs.
我希望那些房地產(chǎn)項(xiàng)目與通勤鐵路網(wǎng)絡(luò)相連。印尼不需要以汽車為中心的美國式郊區(qū)
It’s a first phase of construction folks, you gotta build the basic infrastructures before foreign investments will come in and the government is also giving priority to local investors otherwise Nusantara is owned by foreigners.
這是建設(shè)的第一階段,伙計(jì)們,在外國投資進(jìn)來之前,你們得先建造基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施,政府也在優(yōu)先考慮本地投資者,否則努山達(dá)拉將被外國人擁有。
Exactly. But the mistake of indonesia is not communicating it clearly. Everyone be like: no investors at this stage therefore no investors forever. Its not like you have anything to invest at this point
完全正確。但印尼的錯(cuò)誤是沒有清楚地溝通。每個(gè)人都會(huì)這樣想:這個(gè)階段沒有投資者,所以永遠(yuǎn)沒有投資者。這不是說你在這一點(diǎn)上有什么可以投資的
also got filter by the city urban planning rule... you can't just invest without what neededs there.. to avoid become like jakarta no planning at all
還必須通過城市城市規(guī)劃規(guī)則的篩選...你不能在沒有那里所需的東西的情況下隨意投資...以避免變得像雅加達(dá)那樣完全沒有規(guī)劃
Yup.. and government buildings must use governent money, Not investors money. especially presidential palace and military headquarters.
是的..政府建筑必須使用政府的資金,而不是投資者的資金。特別是總統(tǒng)府和軍事總部。
? @Yusef-uh4wl Indonesia never said that, it's all Western Media reports. They don't want Indonesia to become a succesful country, they want this project to fail so Indonesia have a bad reputation.
印尼從未這么說過,這都是西方媒體的報(bào)道。他們不希望印尼成為一個(gè)成功的國家,他們希望這個(gè)項(xiàng)目失敗,這樣印尼就有不好的名聲。
The budget is not the problem, it's not costly as many people think. Indonesia is a trillion dollar economy with 200 billion budget per anum and it's still a developing country so construction and wage cost is lower. While the government only relocates a few billion USD yearly until it's finished around 2040s means it's a long term project with reasonable budget.
預(yù)算不是問題,它并不像許多人認(rèn)為的那樣昂貴。印尼是萬億美元經(jīng)濟(jì)體,每年有2000億預(yù)算,而且仍然是發(fā)展中國家,所以建設(shè)和工資成本較低。而政府每年只遷移幾十億美元,直到大約2040年完成,這意味著這是一個(gè)長期項(xiàng)目,預(yù)算合理。
這里的問題是印尼是一個(gè)民主國家。政府面臨很多不確定性,他們是否有長期意愿去追求這個(gè)新首都。
Jakarta’s don’t want to pack up and move. Imagine you lived in a city your whole life and the government told you to pack up and leave. Most Jakartans would rather stay until a tragedy forces them to leave.
雅加達(dá)人不想收拾行李搬家。想象一下,如果你一生都生活在一個(gè)城市里,政府卻告訴你打包離開。大多數(shù)雅加達(dá)人寧愿留下,直到悲劇迫使他們離開。
@riptyurass302 they only ask government’s workers to leave not random people lol.. also they got extra paid and nice apartments there. and ikn is close to two big cities…
他們只要求政府工作人員離開,不是隨便什么人哈哈...而且他們有額外的薪水和漂亮的公寓。還有IKN靠近兩個(gè)大城市…
@riptyurass302 他們確實(shí)給了搬遷的政府員工一些補(bǔ)償,但并不是所有人都愿意離開雅加達(dá)。許多人在那里有家庭、事業(yè)和生活,搬遷不是那么容易的。
@riptyurass302 Indeed, relocation isn't forced, the government offers incentives, but the final decision lies with the individual. The purpose of IKN is to decentralize the capital functions and reduce congestion and pressure in Jakarta.
的確,搬遷不是強(qiáng)制的,政府提供了激勵(lì)措施,但最終決定權(quán)在個(gè)人。IKN的目的是分散首都功能,減少雅加達(dá)的擁堵和壓力。
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@riptyurass302 thousands are moving here every month, we dont need more jakartans here. We are already crowded.
每個(gè)月都有成千上萬的人搬到這里,我們不需要更多的雅加達(dá)人。這里已經(jīng)很擁擠了。
@riptyurass302 People migrate in search of better living conditions and opportunities. It's a global phenomenon, not limited to Jakarta or IKN.
人們遷移是為了追求更好的生活條件和機(jī)會(huì)。這是全球現(xiàn)象,不僅限于雅加達(dá)或IKN。
@riptyurass302 人口遷移會(huì)發(fā)生的,當(dāng)人們在其他地方尋找機(jī)會(huì),他們的生活標(biāo)準(zhǔn)可以得到提高。全世界都已證明,哪里有機(jī)會(huì)人們就會(huì)去哪里。
who knows the best for their own lands are the people, majority of Indonesians supports Nusantara. you like it or not, this is our land!
最了解自己土地的人是人民,大多數(shù)印尼人支持努山達(dá)拉。不管你喜不喜歡,這是我們的土地!
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How did Malaysia did it tho? I don't think they needed foreign investors when they built putrajaya but then again it is not far from the capital city so they don't really need to invite investors they just naturally pour in.
但馬來西亞是怎么做到的呢?我不認(rèn)為他們在建造布城時(shí)需要外國投資者,但話說回來,它離首都并不遠(yuǎn),所以他們并不真的需要邀請投資者,投資者自然就涌入了。
Putrajaya is small compared to nusantara. It’s 2 times bigger than New York city. If you consider only government area like putrajaya, nusantara do it the same. no need investment for that.
與努山達(dá)拉相比,布城很小。它比紐約市大兩倍。如果你只考慮像布城這樣的政府區(qū)域,努山達(dá)拉也是這么做的。那不需要投資。
Putrajaya is also pretty close to KL
布城離吉隆坡也挺近的。
Putrajaya is small and supplying logistic is very very easy compared to supplying massive Nusantara
布城很小,供應(yīng)物流非常容易,與供應(yīng)龐大的努山達(dá)拉相比。
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IKN doesn't need foreign investors for the governmental buildings which is the same case w/ Putrajaya. But IKN will built the next phases (commercial and residents)
IKN不需要外國投資者來建造政府建筑,這與布城的情況相同。但I(xiàn)KN將建造下一階段(商業(yè)和住宅)。
38 billion is what politicians say so that people think this is great idea so cheap, worth it. The actual cost will hundreds if not thousands of billions. Paid later and forever by future indonesians.
38億是政客們所說的數(shù)字,好讓人們認(rèn)為這是一個(gè)很棒的想法,如此便宜,值得。實(shí)際成本將是數(shù)百億,如果不是數(shù)千億的話。將由未來的印尼人以后永遠(yuǎn)支付。
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Nusantara was a geographical name for a place that mostly comprised of most of Indonesia's territory today. The name was used by ancient kingdoms in Java island, including the Majapahit Empire which is the largest empire in Southeast Asia's history. The name was later adopted for the new capital city of Indonesia.
努山達(dá)拉曾是今天大部分印尼領(lǐng)土所在地的地理名稱。這個(gè)名字曾被爪哇島上的古代王國使用,包括東南亞歷史上最大的帝國滿者伯夷帝國。這個(gè)名字后來被用于印尼的新首都。
Indonesia has a GDP of over a trillion dollars that's pretty wealthy to me.
印尼的GDP超過一萬億美元,對我來說這是相當(dāng)富有的。
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You do know that a country's wealth isn't measured just by looking at GDP right? It might be a trillion dollar economy but its GDP per capita says otherwise where it will most probably be overtaken by Vietnam in a few years.
你知道一個(gè)國家的財(cái)富不僅僅通過GDP來衡量,對吧?它可能是一個(gè)萬億美元的經(jīng)濟(jì)體,但它的人均GDP卻說明了其他問題,它很可能在幾年內(nèi)被越南超越。
@LC-zi8jw Not that simple if you come to nation’s wealth. country’s wealth is different to people’s wealth. to be sure is to calculate the nation assets minus debt. countries like venezuela or argentina have high gdp percapita compared to indonesia. but their economy is broken with huge debts.. it’s like you say singapore is richer than usa, while usa is the center economy of the world, they have more money to spend. but when it comes to people in AVERAGE, singaporean is richer..
談到國家財(cái)富時(shí)并不是那么簡單。國家財(cái)富與人民財(cái)富不同。要確定的是計(jì)算國家資產(chǎn)減去債務(wù)。像委內(nèi)瑞拉或阿根廷這樣的國家與印尼相比有較高的人均GDP。但他們的經(jīng)濟(jì)因巨額債務(wù)而破裂..這就像你說新加坡比美國更富有,而美國是世界經(jīng)濟(jì)中心,他們有更多的錢可以花。但當(dāng)談到人均時(shí),新加坡人更富有..
It is but indonesia is short on cash for its size. Singapore has around $400b cash for 6 mio citizen, indonesia has $140 billion for 280 mio citizen, it can always take loan if really desperate
確實(shí)如此,但印尼的現(xiàn)金短缺與其規(guī)模不符。新加坡有大約4000億美元現(xiàn)金用于600萬公民,印尼有1400億美元用于2.8億公民,如果真到絕境,它總是可以貸款的。
@agnostikisbetter1893 singapore isn't poorer than people in NY or SF which are cities like singapore but it isn't a country like the US. There is just a major categorical error in that comparison.
新加坡并不比紐約或舊金山的人窮,這些城市像新加坡一樣,但它不是一個(gè)像美國這樣的國家。那個(gè)比較存在一個(gè)主要的范疇錯(cuò)誤。
@Yusef-uh4wl singapore people is reacher yes... but Indonesia GDP 1.4 trillion dollar economy.
新加坡人是更富有,是的...但是印尼GDP是1.4萬億美元的經(jīng)濟(jì)體。
I think in the long term this new city is a good solution, having the economy of a country depend only on one metropolitan area is a risk, considering climate change can hurt Jakarta in the future.
我認(rèn)為從長遠(yuǎn)來看,這個(gè)新城市是一個(gè)好的解決方案,讓一個(gè)國家的經(jīng)濟(jì)只依賴一個(gè)都市區(qū)是有風(fēng)險(xiǎn)的,考慮到氣候變化將來可能會(huì)傷害雅加達(dá)。
Im afraid the project right now is a sunk cost fallacy, moving forward is the only way and stopping it is not an option and should it be completed it'll be a pyrrhic one.
我擔(dān)心這個(gè)項(xiàng)目現(xiàn)在是一個(gè)沉沒成本謬誤,向前推進(jìn)是唯一的方式,停止它不是一個(gè)選項(xiàng),如果它完成了,它將是一個(gè)皮洛士的勝利。
It makes sense. I remember Abuja in Nigeria was likewise criticised. It turned out as a great success.
這是有道理的。我記得尼日利亞的阿布賈也受到了類似的批評。結(jié)果證明是巨大的成功。
Not really. They can cut their losses at $3 billion, or choose to go ahead and waste another $30 billion.
并不真的。他們可以在30億美元的時(shí)候止損,或者選擇繼續(xù)前進(jìn),浪費(fèi)另外300億美元。
sebenarnya Indonesia tidak hanya mengandalkan komoditas sebagai penghasilan.. kami melakukan diversifikasi seperti dari pariwisata, manufaktur, jasa, dan lain sebagainya. Bahkan tenaga kerja Indonesia atau imigran yang berjumlah 8 juta orang yang bekerja di luar negeri setiap tahun membantu Indonesia mendapatkan devisa sebesar $10 billion dollar.
實(shí)際上,印尼不僅僅依靠商品作為收入來源...我們進(jìn)行了多樣化,比如來自旅游、制造業(yè)、服務(wù)業(yè)等。甚至有800萬印尼勞動(dòng)力或移民每年在國外工作,幫助印尼獲得高達(dá)1000億美元的外匯。
You people know that investors need basic infrastructure to start investing, right?
你們知道投資者需要基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施才能開始投資,對吧?
Investors need CONSUMERS so they can expect people buying their merchandise. How that would be possible when nusantara is only inhabited by civil servants? Even jokowi and his brat refused to move to nusantara
投資者需要消費(fèi)者,這樣他們就可以期望人們購買他們的商品。當(dāng)努山達(dá)拉只有公務(wù)員居住時(shí),這怎么可能實(shí)現(xiàn)?連佐科維和他的孩子都拒絕搬到努山達(dá)拉。
The new capital city of Indonesia would be a great city, promoting so many advantageous things including preventing deforestation from going further and accelerating reforestation in some other parts of especially Kalimantan.
印尼的新首都將是一個(gè)偉大的城市,促進(jìn)許多有利的事情,包括防止進(jìn)一步的森林砍伐和加速特別是在加里曼丹等地的重新造林。
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Jealous? It’s not “uncertain” it is certain that this city will be finished at some point, and the target completion of 2045 is still freakin’ long way to go, as we can see the actual condition of what the gov called as phase one is already nearly completed. It may shocked all of you when you see it. It is so true so many other countries are jealous and afraid of what Jokowi’s trying to do and achieve. As he said, when the infrastructure was there, Indonesia doesn’t really need to look for investors, they will come and look for Indonesia.
嫉妒嗎?這不是“不確定”,這座城市在某個(gè)時(shí)候一定會(huì)建成,目標(biāo)完成日期是2045年,還有很長的路要走,正如我們所看到的,政府所說的第一階段的實(shí)際狀況已經(jīng)接近完成。當(dāng)你們看到它時(shí)可能會(huì)感到震驚。的確有很多其他國家嫉妒和害怕佐科維正在嘗試做和實(shí)現(xiàn)的事情。正如他所說,當(dāng)基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施到位時(shí),印尼真的不需要尋找投資者,他們會(huì)來找印尼。
Moving capital is not as easy as moving office equipments into new buildings. The result will not be far from previous mega projects.
遷移首都并不像將辦公設(shè)備搬進(jìn)新大樓那么容易。結(jié)果將與以前的大型項(xiàng)目相差無幾。
Fun fact: the land that surrounds the new capital is owned by Jokowi (the current president) and his family. There definitely aren't ulterior motives at play here.
有趣的事實(shí):圍繞新首都的土地由佐科維(現(xiàn)任總統(tǒng))及其家族擁有。這里絕對沒有不可告人的動(dòng)機(jī)。
Not jokowi, a lot of the lands own by Prabowo's brother, Hashim
不是佐科維,很多土地是普拉博沃的兄弟哈希姆擁有的。
@TheMap1997 And Jokowi's son, Gibran, is Prabowo's running mate. Doesn't really paint Jokowi in a better light when we consider that him and Prabowo were antagonistic towards one another up till the recent election.
They're all in cahoots lol.
而且佐科維的兒子,吉布蘭,是普拉博沃的競選伙伴。當(dāng)我們考慮到佐科維和普拉博沃直到最近一次選舉前彼此對立時(shí),這并沒有真正讓佐科維看起來更好。
他們都串通一氣,哈哈。
Emang kenapa kalo punya Dinasti Jokowi ? Iri ya ? Satrio piningit ,dinasti penerus trah Nusantara tak bisa salah ,,!
真的為什么擁有佐科維王朝?嫉妒嗎?Satrio piningit,努山達(dá)拉的繼承者王朝不會(huì)有錯(cuò),,!
@lonemey lol no way you're saying that political dynasties are ok. To even consider establishing one means that you're putting your personal interests above the common good.
What a dented take.
哈哈,你不可能說政治王朝是可以接受的。甚至考慮建立一個(gè)意味著你將自己的個(gè)人利益置于公共利益之上。
多么有缺陷的看法。
@kingsimba9513 Political dynasties are present in every democracy, it's one of the biggest flaws. Give me a country and I'll list many political dynasties, once one of your family members become successful in politics it's proven that their descendants often get in easier then people from a worse socio-economic background.
政治王朝存在于每個(gè)民主國家,這是最大的缺陷之一。給我一個(gè)國家,我會(huì)列舉許多政治王朝,一旦你的家庭成員在政治上取得成功,事實(shí)證明他們的后代往往比來自較差社會(huì)經(jīng)濟(jì)背景的人更容易進(jìn)入。
@kingsimba9513 Semarang-Jogja (or Jogja-Solo) Highway is almost completed anyway.. Get the fact straight up before you commenting.
Segment 1.1 will be inaugurated on this September tho, and physically it's already 98% complete.
So? What's your point anyway?
三寶壟-日惹(或日惹-梭羅)高速公路反正都快完成了..在你評論之前先搞清楚事實(shí)。
1.1段將在9月舉行落成典禮,而且實(shí)際上已經(jīng)完成了98%。
那又怎樣?你到底想說什么?
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Nusantara will success !!! you are always underestimated with Indonesia capability
努山達(dá)拉會(huì)成功的?。?!你總是低估了印尼的能力!
Propaganda barat ya seperti itu.. Makanya sampai sekarang Singapura yang jauh lebih kecil lebih terkenal dibanding Indonesia karena mereka lebih menginginkan singapura sebagai pengendali ASEAN daripada Indonesia yang mayoritas islam.
西方的宣傳就是這樣..這就是為什么直到現(xiàn)在,比印尼小得多的新加坡更出名,因?yàn)樗麄兏M录悠鲁蔀闁|盟的控制者,而不是伊斯蘭教徒占多數(shù)的印尼。
@edwardhamm5535 Jakarta would still survive, Jakarta is literally the second largest metropolitan area in the world, Indonesia won't abandon it.
雅加達(dá)仍將生存,雅加達(dá)實(shí)際上是世界第二大都市區(qū),印尼不會(huì)放棄它。
It is not the sea level rise that is plaguing Jakarta. The city is literally sinking at a rate of 11 inches per year. Sea level rise is on the order of 11 inch per century, so just 1% of the problem.
不是海平面上升在困擾雅加達(dá)。這座城市每年實(shí)際上下沉11英寸。海平面上升是每世紀(jì)11英寸的量級,所以只是問題的1%。
Bukan saya yang gak setuju dengan rencana pemerintah, menurut saya mana yang lebih efisien membenahi Jakarta, atau memindahkan ibukota ke kota yang sudah ada sebelum nya agar biaya yang dibutuhkan lebih irit, sehingga anggaran negara tidak terfokus ke pembiayaan ibukota baru , karena anggaran yang dibutuhkan sangat besar dikhawatirkan terjadinya praktek korupsi.
我并不是不同意政府的計(jì)劃,我認(rèn)為哪個(gè)更有效率,是整頓雅加達(dá),還是將首都遷移到之前已有的城市,以便所需成本更加經(jīng)濟(jì),從而使國家預(yù)算不專注于資助新首都,因?yàn)樗璧念A(yù)算非常大,擔(dān)心會(huì)發(fā)生腐敗行為。
@kingsimba9513 33 billion for a city is not a big amount. We are trillion dollar economy, have some confidence
為一個(gè)城市花費(fèi)330億美元不是大數(shù)目。我們是萬億美元的經(jīng)濟(jì)體,要有信心。
Nusantara adalah keseriusan Indonesia untuk menjadi negara maju.
Pemerataan pembangunan yang tidak lagi jawa sentris.
努山達(dá)拉是印尼成為發(fā)達(dá)國家的決心。
不再以爪哇為中心的均衡發(fā)展。
Oh man, potential/current investors aren't gonna like this
哦,天哪,潛在/現(xiàn)有的投資者不會(huì)喜歡這樣的。
Investors have their own style to decide, they don’t watch one source and shoot…
投資者有他們自己的決定方式,他們不會(huì)只看一個(gè)來源就下定論…
They are waiting for the new government anyway eh
反正他們在等待新政府,對吧。
wrong it's actually already sold, friends of mine trying buying it 1 years ago and he said can't buy already sold out, it's politic tactic for prabowo names
錯(cuò)了,實(shí)際上已經(jīng)賣完了,我有個(gè)朋友一年前想購買,他說買不到了,已經(jīng)賣完了,這是普拉博沃的政治策略。
5:45 that is exactly the plan, to escape Jakarta's problem and its population so they don't have to fear mass protest everytime they pass unpopular laws.
5:45 這正是計(jì)劃,逃離雅加達(dá)的問題和人口,這樣他們每次通過不受歡迎的法律時(shí)就不必?fù)?dān)心大規(guī)模抗議。
This is why long term strategy in a democracy should be parliamentary and not party or president led…
這就是為什么民主國家的長期戰(zhàn)略應(yīng)該是議會(huì)主導(dǎo),而不是政黨或總統(tǒng)主導(dǎo)…
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so far ikn already got $ 1.4 billion from local investors. also phase 1 is only government area, no need foreign investors to build it.
到目前為止,IKN已經(jīng)從當(dāng)?shù)赝顿Y者那里獲得了14億美元。另外,第一階段只是政府區(qū)域,不需要外國投資者來建設(shè)。
Then why they ferociously market it for foreign investor for years? Even said they were lining up to invest but in the end nope.
那么,為什么他們多年來一直猛烈地向外國投資者推銷它?甚至說他們排隊(duì)投資,但最后沒有。
The sustained political will from the next government seems quite low and despite the political incentives for legislators being away from most citizens concerns, the move to Nusantara also makes them away from the luxury and connectivity that they have been enjoying in Jakarta, therefore so many times we have the news on legislators or officials pushing back the date of relocation to Nusantara.
下一屆政府持續(xù)的政治意愿似乎相當(dāng)?shù)?,盡管立法者遠(yuǎn)離大多數(shù)公民關(guān)注的政治激勵(lì),遷往努山達(dá)拉也使他們遠(yuǎn)離了他們在雅加達(dá)享受的奢侈和連通性,因此我們多次看到有關(guān)立法者或官員推遲遷往努山達(dá)拉的日期的新聞。
most of all capital started from nothing like tokyo,nanjing to Beijing, new york(old capital), Washington, rio de rio de jeneiro, better not to talk while it's still building
從東京、南京到北京、紐約(老首都)、華盛頓、里約熱內(nèi)盧,大多數(shù)首都都是白手起家,最好不要在它還在建設(shè)的時(shí)候就談?wù)撍?/b>
Well i guess all of us including me can only speculate, time will tell after all
我想我們所有人,包括我自己,都只能猜測,時(shí)間最終會(huì)告訴我們。
We the Dutch could have warned them decades ago that it was a bad idea.
我們荷蘭人幾十年前就可以警告他們這是個(gè)壞主意。
To be fair, the colonial administration wanted to move the capital to Bandung. But then the Japanese came.
公平地說,殖民政府本想將首都遷至萬隆。但后來日本人來了。
@Excellent135 Was Jakarta sinking into the sea already a problem then?
那時(shí)候雅加達(dá)下沉到海里已經(jīng)是問題了嗎?
If you want to know, we really wish the indonesian government was run by the Dutch instead of our own incompetent and self-serving local officials.
如果你想知道,我們真的希望印尼政府由荷蘭人管理,而不是我們自己無能且自私的地方官員。
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?@ronald3836 not really, because the sewage and the river are wide enough when they build the first city batavia. Jakarta problem is that the surrounding land around batavia is a swamp and rice field.
并不是真的,因?yàn)樵谒麄兘ㄔ斓谝粋€(gè)城市巴達(dá)維亞時(shí),下水道和河流已經(jīng)足夠?qū)捔?。雅加達(dá)的問題是巴達(dá)維亞周圍的土地是沼澤和稻田。
It's very true that until this date no foreign investors are participating in building our capital city, and you know what I think this is very good.
All construction is funded and done 100% by Indonesia, this is the time for us to be self-reliance as we're the fourth most populous country in the world with 280 million people.
It's time for our rise, together we can
直到今天,確實(shí)沒有外國投資者參與建設(shè)我們的首都,而且你知道嗎,我認(rèn)為這是非常好的。
所有的建設(shè)都是由印尼100%資助和完成的,作為世界第四人口大國,擁有2.8億人口,現(xiàn)在是我們應(yīng)該自力更生的時(shí)候了。
是時(shí)候我們一起崛起了
A new capital which in the future would be a center for government operate the whole country and very sensitive area, yet they want foreign Investment to invest in and pay the whole cost, seems like this country can't afford it
一個(gè)將來會(huì)成為政府運(yùn)作全國的中心和非常敏感的區(qū)域的新首都,然而他們卻希望外國投資來投資并支付全部費(fèi)用,看起來這個(gè)國家負(fù)擔(dān)不起。
The US could've funded over 5 of these cities with what it has sent to Ukraine alone
美國僅向?yàn)蹩颂m提供的援助就足以資助五座以上的這類城市。
why you are concerned that indonesia people will disconnected to their parlement, at the same moment you show display of chaos protes :)) .... west narative always like that, they dont want developing country to develop like theirs....
為什么你擔(dān)心印尼人民會(huì)與他們的議會(huì)脫節(jié),同時(shí)你卻展示混亂的抗議活動(dòng):)......西方的敘事總是這樣,他們不希望發(fā)展中國家像他們一樣發(fā)展......
The country have a huge population, so it will become a city, but not as a dream (renewables, green, compact) it will just like other city in Indonesia. Even if built, I doubt that it will be maintained well.
這個(gè)國家有龐大的人口,所以它將變成一個(gè)城市,但不會(huì)像夢想中的那樣(可再生能源、綠色、緊湊),它只會(huì)像印尼其他城市一樣。即使建成,我懷疑它是否能維護(hù)得好。
Why is building a city in the middle of nowhere such a trend among developing countries right now?
為什么在偏遠(yuǎn)地區(qū)建設(shè)城市是現(xiàn)在發(fā)展中國家的一種趨勢?
i think this video will make more investors avoid investing in the new capital
我認(rèn)為這個(gè)視頻會(huì)讓更多投資者避免在新首都投資。
Imagine Myanmar and North Korea is jus 2% of Indonesia's economy yet they are able to built cities out of nowhere. This is a 1.7 trillion dollar economy for God's sake not developing.
想象一下,緬甸和朝鮮的經(jīng)濟(jì)規(guī)模僅占印尼經(jīng)濟(jì)的2%,盡管如此,它們?nèi)匀荒軌驊{空建造城市。畢竟,印尼是一個(gè)擁有1.7萬億美元經(jīng)濟(jì)體量的國家,它并不是一個(gè)發(fā)展中國家。
The negative side is all finance will go to build a new capital.If there is corruption in your country, it will never ending construction.I am from Kazakstan, we are facing with it.
負(fù)面影響是所有的資金都會(huì)用于建設(shè)新首都。如果你的國家存在腐敗,那么建設(shè)將永無止境。我來自哈薩克斯坦,我們正面臨這樣的問題。
Jangan samakan Indonesia dengan negaramu.. Indonesia negara besar yang memiliki penghasilan dari berbagai sektor. Bahkan kapasitas manufaktur Indonesia berada diperingkat 10 secara global itu data dari bank dunia, Dan itu akan terus bertambah karena sekarang banyak proyek pembangunan pabrik2 dan smelter secara massif diseluruh Indonesia.
不要將印尼與你的國家相提并論...印尼是一個(gè)大國,擁有各個(gè)行業(yè)收入。甚至印尼的制造業(yè)能力在全球排名第10,這是世界銀行的數(shù)據(jù),而且隨著現(xiàn)在大規(guī)模工廠建設(shè)和冶煉項(xiàng)目遍布印尼,這一數(shù)字將繼續(xù)增長。
? @WarzoneOfficial22789 intinya sama, korupsi yg marak bisa jadi penghambat
總之是一樣的,普遍的腐敗可能成為阻礙。
But indonesia is 7th due to GDP PPP. Making something is needs purchasing power.
Number in paper just a number until you buy something. That is why, GDP / capita not used as purchasing capability.
So, in term how powerful is indonesia to buy or making something (GDP PPP) indonesia not considered as poor country. In fact, it is one of the strongest country.
但印尼由于GDP PPP排名第七。制造東西需要購買力。
紙上的數(shù)字只是數(shù)字,直到你買東西。這就是為什么,人均GDP不作為購買能力使用。
所以,在印尼購買或制造東西的能力(GDP PPP)方面,印尼不被認(rèn)為是窮國。事實(shí)上,它是最強(qiáng)大的國家之一。
@bedhenis that's only GDP. If it's per capita PPP then they're still 96th, which is lower than quite a few African nations.
那只是GDP。如果是人均PPP,那么它們?nèi)匀皇堑?6位,這比一些非洲國家還要低。
@kingsimba9513 in term capability government to making or buying something is using GDP PPP.
在政府制造或購買東西的能力方面是使用GDP PPP。
They can give a fraction of the money to the Dutch and we will fix the problem with Jakarta.
他們可以給荷蘭人一小部分錢,我們將解決雅加達(dá)的問題。
@bedhenis yes but OPs point is that it shouldn't cost $33 billion given that Indonesia is a cheap country on a per capita basis. So either they're embezzling funds or they're making it grander than it has to be (aka a vanity project).
是的,但發(fā)帖者的觀點(diǎn)是,考慮到印尼人均收入很低,它不應(yīng)該花費(fèi)330億美元。所以要么是他們在挪用資金,要么是他們正在把它做得比實(shí)際需要的更加宏偉(也就是一個(gè)虛榮項(xiàng)目)。
@kingsimba9513 no, not that cheap. A lot of stuff is more expensive than our neighborhood countries. But i agree with you about corruption. It is like a vampire thats ruin our economy.
不,沒有那么便宜。很多東西比我們的鄰國更貴。但我同意你關(guān)于腐敗的看法。它就像一個(gè)吸血鬼,破壞了我們的經(jīng)濟(jì)。
If you’re talking about nation wealth, indonesia is way rich than malaysia
如果你在談?wù)搰邑?cái)富,印尼比馬來西亞要富有得多。
Did u know malaysia spent $100 billion and it was a failure? Indonesia could use malaysias method as the last resort if it cant raise money: ask china to build
你知道嗎,馬來西亞花了1000億美元卻失敗了?如果印尼籌集不到資金,可以作為最后的手段使用馬來西亞的方法:請求中國來建造。
Indonesia poor ?
Indonesia GDP percapita is in the catagory of Middle High Income, same like Thailand and Malaysia.
Indonesia gdp is 1.4 trillion, the country have alot of money.
You celarly dont know basic econony
印尼窮?
印尼的人均GDP屬于中高收入類別,和泰國、馬來西亞一樣。
印尼的GDP是1.4萬億美元,這個(gè)國家有很多錢。
你顯然不懂基本經(jīng)濟(jì)。
? @kingsimba9513 Indonesia GDP PPP is 7th in the world... you clearly dont know anything about Indo
印尼的GDP PPP在世界上排名第七... 你顯然對印尼一無所知。
The current president is like Louis xiV of France, building his own Versailles. It's only his legacy project, and the country turnback toward facist far-right autocratic rules of the 2nd president.
現(xiàn)任總統(tǒng)就像法國的路易十四,建造自己的凡爾賽宮。這只是他的遺產(chǎn)項(xiàng)目,國家又回到了第二任總統(tǒng)的法西斯極右翼獨(dú)裁統(tǒng)治。
Overly ambitious IMO. The first term of Jokowi was quite good. But then... Something changed. He has been very focused on building his dynasty. This project can be a success, but it should take more time.
我認(rèn)為過于雄心勃勃。佐科維的第一個(gè)任期相當(dāng)好。但后來... 有些東西變了。他一直非常專注于建立自己的王朝。這個(gè)項(xiàng)目可以成功,但應(yīng)該需要更多時(shí)間。
I thought they're very very rich and G20 country so they must not have any financial problems at all hahaha
我原以為他們非常非常富有,是G20國家,所以他們肯定沒有任何財(cái)務(wù)問題,哈哈。
@Yusef-uh4wl I hope it isn't a vanity project either but most cities with smart and green in their descxtions usially fail. I don't think they're building affordable housing there either so rent won't be cheaper plus the smart, green tags could inflate the pricing of real estate. If the best option is not to build dikes to hold back the sea but a new city else where, I think it would have been cheaper to build a simple charming walkable city like Brandevoort.
我希望它也不是一個(gè)虛榮的項(xiàng)目,但大多數(shù)在描述中帶有智能和綠色標(biāo)簽的城市通常都會(huì)失敗。我不認(rèn)為他們在那里建造了經(jīng)濟(jì)適用房,所以租金不會(huì)更便宜,加上智能、綠色標(biāo)簽可能會(huì)推高房地產(chǎn)價(jià)格。如果最好的選擇不是建造堤壩來阻擋海水,而是在別處建造一個(gè)新城市,我認(rèn)為建造一個(gè)像布蘭德沃特這樣的簡單迷人的步行城市會(huì)更便宜。
@agnostikisbetter1893 It's a metaphor for how the Dutch reclaimed land from the sea with dikes.
這是荷蘭人用堤壩從海中圍海造地的比喻。
@prince_ofori Anda tidak tau apa2 tentang Indonesia mending diam.. Dan saya yakin anda tidak pernah menginjakkan kaki di Indonesia. Banyak traveller dari barat yang kaget karena gambaran jakarta atau Indonesia tidak sesuai dengan pemberitaan media mereka. Jakarta begitu modern megacity yang memiliki 200 mall.
你根本不了解印尼,所以閉嘴吧... 我敢肯定你從未踏足過印尼。許多西方游客對雅加達(dá)或印尼的印象與媒體報(bào)道不符,因此感到震驚。雅加達(dá)是一個(gè)擁有 200 個(gè)購物中心的現(xiàn)代化大都市。
? @prince_ofori you clearly know nothing of this project and commenting...
Do you even know Jakarta problem bro ? Other then sinking is also over population... this new capital will eliviate some Jakarta problem...
你對這個(gè)項(xiàng)目顯然一無所知,還在評論...
你知道雅加達(dá)的問題嗎,兄弟?除了下沉,還有人口過剩...這個(gè)新首都將緩解一些雅加達(dá)的問題...
你知道為什么雅加達(dá)會(huì)下沉嗎?主要是因?yàn)樘嗳顺槿〉叵滤畬?dǎo)致地面下沉....而且,雅加達(dá)也會(huì)建造巨大的海堤...
It's very hard to believe that Indonesia is still in this position. The US imposed Jakarta method took 50 years at least from the development of the nation. 2 million Indonesian patriots, among them a significant portion of the most well educated people, killed so that the USA could exploit the country...
很難相信印尼仍然處于這樣的境地。美國強(qiáng)加的雅加達(dá)方式至少延緩了國家發(fā)展50年。為了美國能夠剝削這個(gè)國家,有200萬印尼愛國者被殺害,其中包含了相當(dāng)一部分受過最好教育的人……
印度尼西亞的人口規(guī)模大致與美國相當(dāng),它擁有驚人的資源,非常龐大?,F(xiàn)在它應(yīng)該在全球GDP排名中位于6、7或9位,而不是第17位。所有這些痛苦都是因?yàn)橐恍┟绹静幌M搰鴩谢麄兊馁Y源。
When the western MSM said its a bad idea. You know its a good idea. So Indonesia just shut up and keep on building and be efficient on it.
當(dāng)西方主流媒體說這是一個(gè)糟糕的主意時(shí)。你就應(yīng)該知道這是一個(gè)好主意。所以印度尼西亞就閉嘴,繼續(xù)建造,并且要高效。
They've been looking for funding since 2019 and are still falling short. That's a pretty big fking red sign for any prospective investor.
自2019年以來,他們一直在尋找資金,但仍然不足。對于任何潛在的投資者來說,這是一個(gè)非常明顯的警示信號。
Did you know local investor already spending more than 20 T In IKN? there are many project by local investor in progress such as Hotel, Hospital, Superblock, School etc. Phase 1 2022-2024 is focus on KIPP Area with basic infrastructure needed. So why no foreign investor now? Because the area is not ready yet. In 2nd phase , IKN Authority will prepare anything needed for foreign investor to invest in IKN. Including detail masterplan.
你知道當(dāng)?shù)赝顿Y者已經(jīng)在IKN投入了超過20萬億嗎?當(dāng)?shù)赝顿Y者正在進(jìn)行許多項(xiàng)目,如酒店、醫(yī)院、超級街區(qū)、學(xué)校等。第一階段2022-2024年將專注于KIPP地區(qū)所需的基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施。那么為什么現(xiàn)在沒有外國投資者呢?因?yàn)樵摰貐^(qū)還沒有準(zhǔn)備好。在第二階段,IKN管理局將為外國投資者在IKN投資準(zhǔn)備所需的一切,包括詳細(xì)的總體規(guī)劃。
@andipejalan3382 WOW 20 T. Good job, now they just need 500 T more.
哇,20萬億。做得好,現(xiàn)在他們只需要再增加500萬億。
It looks more like an amusement park than a capital city.
它看起來更像一個(gè)游樂園而不是一個(gè)首都城市。
All I see is a huge waste of cutting down trees and ruining the environment and waste of money.
我看到的只是大量砍伐樹木、破壞環(huán)境和浪費(fèi)金錢。
"If you look at Indonesia on the map, you can see it's all about corruption and nepotism"
"如果你在地圖上看印尼,你可以看到它到處都是腐敗和裙帶關(guān)系"
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Jakarta as the center of everything in Indonesia is too entangled to be resolved. Only 1/5 of the city population doesn't mean anything when you take into account people from surrounding districts and city also commute down/midtown for work and recreation. This is falling very short of the hope to relax the city's traffic and improving its quality of life. Especially for traffic, there's only so much lane, highways, or public transportation you can add before the physical space itself becomes too constraining.
雅加達(dá)作為印尼一切的中心,其復(fù)雜性難以解決。只有五分之一的城市人口并不意味著什么,當(dāng)你考慮到來自周邊地區(qū)和城市的人也通勤到市中心/市區(qū)工作和娛樂。這遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)沒有達(dá)到緩解城市交通和提高生活質(zhì)量的希望。特別是對于交通,在你增加車道、高速公路或公共交通之前,物理空間本身就會(huì)變得過于受限。
然后有傳言說國家(聯(lián)邦?)政府成員不想在近期遷往努山塔拉。真是膽大包天?!??!
Building a capital city isn't a investment matter- but a requisition. Command government funds for the government official infrastructure, and let the "investors" Come looking for opportunities.
建造一個(gè)首都城市不是投資問題,而是一項(xiàng)征用。指揮政府資金用于政府官方基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施,讓“投資者”來尋找機(jī)會(huì)。
BE CAREFUL WITH WESTERN MEDIA BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPAGANDA AND DONT WANT INDONESIA TO BECOME A DEVELOPED COUNTRY !!!
要小心西方媒體,因?yàn)樗麄兛偸沁M(jìn)行宣傳,不想讓印尼成為一個(gè)發(fā)達(dá)國家!!
You're right, spending $33+ billion on this worthless project is much better than using it to address more serious issues like, oh I don't know, corruption, healthcare, and education. Or is Indonesia already too developed in those areas?
你說得對,花330億美元在這個(gè)毫無價(jià)值的項(xiàng)目上,比用它來解決更嚴(yán)重的問題要好得多,比如,我不知道,腐敗、醫(yī)療保健和教育。還是印尼在這些領(lǐng)域已經(jīng)太發(fā)達(dá)了?
We would love to see Indonesia turn into a success story like post-war Japan and South Korea, and see more aspects of Indonesian culture enter Western culture.
我們希望看到印尼像戰(zhàn)后的日本和韓國一樣成為一個(gè)成功的故事,并看到更多的印尼文化方面進(jìn)入西方文化。