QA問答：為什么中國人總說許多韓國傳統(tǒng)文化其實是中國的？他們之間發(fā)生了什么？

@John Paterson
They didn’t copy the Chinese.
They copied the West.

他們沒有抄襲中國人。
他們抄襲了西方。

@Shu Liu
That is Chinese character and special symbol using in weddings.

那是用于婚禮的漢字和特殊符號。

@John Paterson
I know. I was referring to the platform, which is why I was showing a flattened cardboard box.

我知道。我指的是平臺，這就是為什么我展示了一個壓扁的紙箱。

@Min Oh Kang
Asian characters are used in many Asian cultures, don't worry about other countries and think about your own problems in China.

漢字在許多亞洲文化中被使用，不要擔心其他國家，關(guān)注中國的自身問題。
@Sean Landy ??????? ???? 陸

so u mean we Chinese misunderstand the real meanning of our own Chinese character ,and Korean are right about that, while Korean even can’t read that?
Okay, then what about those pair of Mandarin ducks?
are they also represent sad things in Korean?
and Chinese are so wrong to use them in couples’ wedding?

所以你的意思是我們中國人誤解了自己漢字的真正含義，而韓國人是對的，盡管韓國人甚至無法讀懂它？
那么，那對鴛鴦呢？
它們在韓國也代表悲傷的事情嗎？
中國人在情侶婚禮中使用它們也是錯誤的嗎？

@Wander Everywhere
haha you koreans guys are really funny

哈哈，你們韓國人真有趣。

@Travis Trans
It’s none of your business

這不關(guān)你的事。
@孫xin

It is our business to point and laugh at those who use it wrong. Might as well put “CONGRATULATIONS” on the floor of a funeral.
Goof.

指出并嘲笑那些錯誤使用它的人是我們的事。還不如在葬禮地板上放“恭喜”。
笨蛋。

@Oow
If they use the English word “CONGRATULATIONS”, they will also claim it is originating from them, after all they are the descendants from the original human race while the original ones are now extinct…
Might as well claim Jesus is Korean as well.

如果他們使用英文單詞“CONGRATULATIONS”，他們也會聲稱它起源于他們，畢竟他們是原始人類的后代，而原始人類現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)滅絕了……
還不如聲稱耶穌也是韓國人。

@Swastik Nag
Don't give them ideas. They'll execute that too

不要給他們主意。他們也會執(zhí)行的。

@Ian Park
‘Their culture is different but they used the letter we use, so they are being idiotic! Look at this one photo where they did it wrong!’
Really?

“他們的文化不同，但他們用了我們使用的字母，所以他們很愚蠢！看這張他們做錯的照片！”
真的嗎？
@青 李
很有日韓動作片的味道。

@Wengsewee Tan
If only some learned Koreans happen to read your comments. Otherwise they are fooling themselves everyday with their misguided fantasies.

要是有一些學識淵博的韓國人碰巧看到你的評論就好了。否則他們每天都在用錯誤的幻想愚弄自己。

@Oileng Lai
How strange.. Blind copy / thoughtless copy

真奇怪……盲目復制/不經(jīng)思考的復制。

@Jerry Han
Koreans today can no longer fully understand the influence that Chinese culture had on them a hundred years ago, and their strong sense of national pride makes it difficult for them to accept the close historical relationship between their culture and China. As a result, they choose to view their traditional culture from a different perspective: looking at it from the so-called “heights” achieved by the modern Korean Wave cultural phenomenon.
Even though these cultural elements bear the mark of Chinese characters, many Koreans, who are no longer familiar with these characters, confidently label them as “Korean in origin,” ignoring the history behind them.
In the eyes of the Chinese, this behavior seems like a self-aggrandizing display of arrogance and a blatant act of cultural appropriation.

如今的韓國人已經(jīng)無法完全理解一百年前中國文化對他們的影響，他們強烈的民族自豪感使他們難以接受他們文化與中國之間的密切歷史關(guān)系。因此，他們選擇從不同的角度看待他們的傳統(tǒng)文化：從現(xiàn)代韓流文化現(xiàn)象所謂的“高度”來審視。
盡管這些文化元素帶有漢字的標記，許多不再熟悉這些漢字的韓國人卻自信地將其標注為“韓國起源”，忽視了背后的歷史。
在中國人眼中，這種行為看起來像是一種自我膨脹的傲慢表現(xiàn)和公然的文化挪用行為。

@Hogan Liu

LOL, I think I can explain why Koreans might use the character ‘囍’ at funerals. In China, we have "red and white happy events" where a funeral is considered a "white happy event," representing that the elderly person "passed away peacefully in their sleep," which is seen as a kind of happy occasion. Other than this, I can't find any reasonable explanation.
哈哈，我想我可以解釋為什么韓國人在葬禮上可能會使用“囍”字。在中國，我們有“紅白喜事”，其中葬禮被視為“白色喜事”，代表老人“安詳?shù)卦谒瘔糁腥ナ馈?，這被視為一種快樂的場合。除此之外，我找不到任何合理的解釋。

@Lucas
That symbol represents celebration. The two stand side by side, symbolizing a doubled celebration.This is a special symbol for weddings!
Double the celebration when a loved one passes away?
Two mandarin ducks represent loyal love!
Oh my goodness! Cannot tolerate it!

那個符號代表慶祝。兩者并排站立，象征雙倍的慶祝。這是婚禮的特殊符號！
當親人去世時雙倍慶祝？
兩只鴛鴦代表忠誠的愛！
天哪！無法忍受！

@Maru
West japan strike again

西日本再次出擊

@Shun Bot
“Asian characters”
I think he meant “Lunar Characters”

“亞洲字符”
我覺得他是指“農(nóng)歷字符”。

@LLC
Don't care about that Min Oh Kang dude, he tried to bring up a debate in my answer which was irrelevant to my answer, and each time I project the idea that it has nothing to do with the question and I even entertained him by answering his questions, he comes back with the same question and it shows a lot about his character and mindset!

別管那個家伙，他試圖在我的回答中引發(fā)辯論，這與我的回答無關(guān)，每次我都表明這與問題無關(guān)，甚至通過回答他的問題來招待他，他卻帶著同樣的問題回來，這暴露了他很多的性格和心態(tài)！

@Shu Liu
He once insulted my mom under my other irrelevant answer after debating with me. I reported it, and Quora dexed very soon.

他曾在我另一個無關(guān)的回答下侮辱我的媽媽，和我辯論后。我舉報了，Quora很快就刪除了。

@LLC
Damn, I guess he is probably jealous you have one :D

該死，我猜你可能嫉妒你有一個。

@Ben Chan
shame on sour Korea. they are just allien to the Chinese .so incredible hard to understand their logic..
how can they want to show their happiness in a funeral of their relative

恥辱于酸韓國。他們只是中國人的山寨版。因此，難以理解他們的邏輯。
他們怎么能在親人的葬禮上表現(xiàn)出快樂呢？

@Wander Everywhere
S.Koreans are the jokes.

韓國人就是笑話。

@Im Yang Gyoon
Korea had been passed down as a tradition for a long time, but when a Korean woman became an empress of the Mongolian dynasty, the Yuan Dynasty, it quickly spread to China.
The Chinese began wearing hanbok to flatter the Korean queen of the Yuan Dynasty, "Empress Qi."
And this hanbok spread throughout China.
Even after the Yuan Dynasty fell and the Ming Dynasty came to power, hanbok continued to be popular in China.
In China, this hanbok was called "Goryeoyang."
In response, the 9th emperor of the Ming Dynasty, "Hongzhi Emperor," issued an order banning the wearing of the Korean hanbok, "Goryeoyang."
In response, the Chinese created a clothing called hanfu, which mixed hanbok with Yuan Dynasty clothing.

韓國傳統(tǒng)傳承已久，但當一位韓國女性成為蒙古王朝元朝的皇后時，這一傳統(tǒng)迅速傳入中國。
中國人開始穿著韓服以討好元朝的韓國皇后“齊皇后”。
這種韓服在中國廣為流傳。
即使在元朝滅亡，明朝建立后，韓服在中國依然流行。
在中國，這種韓服被稱為“高麗樣”。
為此，明朝第九位皇帝“弘治皇帝”發(fā)布命令，禁止穿著韓國韓服“高麗樣”。
作為回應，中國人創(chuàng)造了一種名為漢服的服裝，將韓服與元朝服裝混合起來。

@Jiang Hu
What is the name of the Korean woman you mentioned? Do you have a Korean language in yuan dynasty?
yuan dynasty itself is a Chinese concept.
what do you call it in not invented Korean language?

您提到的那位韓國女性叫什么名字？元朝有使用韓語嗎？
元朝本身是一個中國的概念。
在尚未出現(xiàn)韓語時，您稱之為什么？

@Kenny Lin
In northern China, there are officially certified murals from the Liao Dynasty. The so-called Goryeo costume is very similar to the Liao Dynasty costume. The popularity of Goryeo clothing influenced the aesthetics of the Mongols during the Yuan Dynasty, but only for the upper classes. After the defeat of the Mongol rulers, the Ming dynasty banned Mongolian dress and required people to revert to Tang and Song dress (you can even find historical documents from Korea documenting the Ming dynasty's reverence for Tang and Song dress). The Liao Dynasty co-existed with the Song Dynasty, and the Liao rulers revered the culture of the Tang Dynasty, so their clothing also included Tang features. The so-called Goryeo style was actually influenced by Tang Dynasty costumes, but the people at the time either didn't know about it or didn't dare to say that these were the costumes of the previous dynasties.

在中國北方，有官方認證的遼朝壁畫。所謂的高麗服飾與遼朝服飾非常相似。高麗服飾的流行影響了元朝蒙古人的審美，但僅限于上層階級。蒙古統(tǒng)治者被擊敗后，明朝禁止蒙古服飾，并要求人們恢復唐朝和宋朝的服裝（甚至可以找到韓國的歷史文獻記錄明朝對唐宋服飾的尊崇）。
遼朝與宋朝共存，遼朝統(tǒng)治者尊崇唐朝文化，因此他們的服裝也包含了唐朝的元素。所謂的高麗風格實際上受到了唐朝服飾的影響，但當時的人們要么不了解這一點，要么不敢說這些是前朝的服裝。

@Im Yang Gyoon
The Liao Dynasty is a state of another ethnicity that ruled China.
It is not Chinese culture.

遼朝是另一個民族統(tǒng)治中國的國家。
它不是中國文化。

@Ed Wong
Some were, some borrowed, digested and renewed. Some indigenous. Should we be surprised?

有些是他們自己的，有些是借來的，經(jīng)過消化和更新。有些是本土的。
我們應該感到驚訝嗎？

Hanbok is their. Pottery is theirs. Hangul is theirs. Just to name a few. While pickled vegetables are in almost all cultures, Kimchee version is theirs.
Hanja is borrowed, and renewed. Some via Japan, some straight from China. Some indigenous.

韓服是他們的，陶器是他們的，韓文字母是他們的，僅舉幾例。雖然腌制蔬菜幾乎出現(xiàn)在所有文化中，但泡菜是他們的。
漢字是借來的，并且經(jīng)過更新。有些通過日本，有些直接來自中國。有些是本土的。
Aak (雅樂 ??）is renewed, but kept much Tang influence. The nature of things may change with different environments.
雅樂經(jīng)過更新，但保留了許多唐代的影響。事物的本質(zhì)可能會隨著不同的環(huán)境而改變。

Just for a casual illustration. If you come from an “either/or" nationalistic arguement, nothing I say will change your mind. Nor would I want to, because:

僅作為一個隨便的例子。
如果你持有“非此即彼”的民族主義論調(diào)，我說的任何話都無法改變你的想法。我也不想改變，因為：

“Arguing with zealots is like playing chess with a pigeon. You can make all the logical moves you want, but at some point the pigeon is gonna knock over the pieces, shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.”

“與狂熱分子爭論就像和鴿子下棋。你可以盡量做出所有合乎邏輯的移動，但最終鴿子會推倒棋子，在棋盤上拉屎，然后像贏了一樣到處走?！?/b>

@?? ?

thank you, most of the answers here on quora are quite distressing to see... I also appreciate you recognising our indigenous culture as well(for example, some items constituting our traditional clothing have remained almost completely unchanged. while some had influences from 明 or other foreign kingdoms).
謝謝，Quora上大多數(shù)回答看起來令人相當沮喪……我也感謝你承認我們的本土文化（例如，構(gòu)成我們傳統(tǒng)服飾的一些物品幾乎保持不變，而一些則受到了明朝或其他外國王國的影響）。
漢字 culture here, I think, can be said to have evolved distictly in our own way despite having its origin in the han cultural sphere.
for instance we use the word 食口 in everyday conversation(can you guess its meaning?).
這里的漢字文化，我認為可以說在漢文化圈起源的基礎(chǔ)上以獨特的方式演變。
例如，我們在日常對話中使用“食口”這個詞（你能猜出它的意思嗎？）。

as far as I know, some words such as that one was coined here & used only in here.
even the han Chinese themselves has got substantial cultural influences from their neighbours over time(at times, even directly from us. not that everyone approved of such cultural influences even at that time).

據(jù)我所知，一些像這樣的詞是在這里創(chuàng)造的，并且僅在這里使用。
即使是漢族人自己也在時間的推移中受到鄰國文化的顯著影響（有時甚至直接來自我們。并不是所有人都贊同這種文化影響）。
even though I am a great appreciator of the relatively "purer" early 商, 周 culture, I personally believe the generous acceptance of foreign cultural elements is what made the Chinese culture as a whole such a rich & beautiful one.

I hope your point of view spreads to more people in east asia(not just Chinese, of course)

雖然我非常欣賞相對“純粹”的早期商周文化，但我個人認為對外國文化元素的廣泛接受使中國文化整體上變得如此豐富和美麗。
我希望你的觀點能傳播到東亞更多的人（當然，不僅僅是中國人）。

@Ed Wong

Thanks. 食口, I guessed right.
謝謝。“食口”，我猜對了。
我喜歡韓國文化。如果我的身體允許，我希望能在韓國待兩年。

I love Korean culture. If my health holds up, I would have loved to spend two years in Korea.
So many kinds of wonderful things a short distance from each other. High cultural density for a cultural tourist.

那么多美好的事物彼此相距很近。對于文化游客來說，文化密度很高。
喜歡探索韓語與漢字結(jié)合的驚人方式。
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Love to explore the way the Korean language have combined Hanja in surprising ways.
If I were younger I would have loved to study Korean at Yonsei. Now learning for fun is enough.

如果我年輕，我會想在延世大學學習韓語?，F(xiàn)在為了樂趣學習就夠了。
我喜歡口語韓語，特別是在使用半語時。 ?和 ???的形式讓情感更加流暢。

Love spoken Korean, especially when spoken in Banmal. The ? and ??? forms just smoothed out emotions.
Sad to see Hanja no longer widely recognized. The old newspaper was so easy to read.

看到漢字不再被廣泛認可讓我感到遺憾。舊報紙是如此容易閱讀。
Now 夫婦 is ??! So much is lost there. ?? 親舊, I like. ??? ?????, I don't.

I love Kpop, but only limited to a few artists, mostly old timers, ???, ??, ???. I also like Pansori.

現(xiàn)在“夫婦”變成了“??”！很多東西都在這里消失了?！芭笥选蔽蚁矚g?！氨朗娇Х取蔽也幌矚g。
我喜歡K-pop，但只限于少數(shù)幾位藝術(shù)家，主要是老一輩的，正美調(diào)、梁山、金允兒。我也喜歡潘索里。

I tend to snub racist and nationalist rantings. Just that my knowledge and personal interested is limited to a narrow field.

我傾向于無視種族主義和民族主義的咆哮。只是我的知識和個人興趣局限于一個狹窄的領(lǐng)域。