國外QA：南朝鮮做了中國兩千年的藩屬國，做了日本兩百年的殖民地，怎么還這么蠢？

Lucia Millar
I think that you mention Korea in general. South Korea has never been a vassal state of China. The notion that any nation or people can be described as "stupid" overlooks the complexities of historical context, cultural resilience, and the ongoing struggles for sovereignty and identity. Korea’s ability to navigate challenges and assert its independence speaks to the strength and ingenuity of its people.

通常情況下，我想你口中的南朝鮮應該指的就是韓國。
韓國從來都不是中國的附庸國。
如果你忽視其歷史背景、文化韌性以及持續(xù)的主權和身份斗爭的復雜性，任何國家或民族都可以被描述為“愚蠢”的。
韓國應對挑戰(zhàn)和維護獨立的能力，體現(xiàn)了其人民的力量和智慧。

The history of Vietnam and Korea has many significant similarities. Both countries have experienced long periods of colonization, from the influence of China to the wars of the 20th century, especially in the context of the Cold War and the division between North and South. A prominent commonality between the two nations is the effort to maintain cultural identity and regain independence. Vietnam fought for independence from French colonial rule and later faced war with the United States, while South Korea dealt with Japanese occupation and the civil war between the two regions. From the perspective of the Vietnamese people, there is a deep empathy with the history of Korea.

越南和韓國的歷史有許多顯著的相似之處。兩國都經(jīng)歷了長期的殖民統(tǒng)治，從中國的影響到 20 世紀的戰(zhàn)爭，特別是在冷戰(zhàn)和南北分裂的背景下。兩國之間的一個突出的共同點，就是努力保持文化認同和重新獲得獨立。越南為擺脫法國殖民統(tǒng)治而戰(zhàn)，后來又與美國開戰(zhàn)，而韓國則經(jīng)歷了日本的占領和南北方的內戰(zhàn)。從越南人民的角度來看，他們對韓國的歷史有著深深的同情。

The average income per capita of South Korea in 2023 is 36,194 USD, higher than the 35,793 USD of Japan and many times greater than that of China. When South Korea became prosperous and wealthy in the late 1990s, China was still in a state of underdevelopment. Korean culture, in particular, and the Korean Peninsula as a whole, were heavily influenced by Chinese culture, but later, Korean culture began to influence China in return through the Korean Wave (Hallyu). Can this be considered a cultural failure for China?
China has even had to carry out campaigns to prohibit and limit the influence of Korean culture in China; it's quite ironic.

2023年，韓國的人均收入為36194美元，高于日本的35793美元，是中國的數(shù)倍。當韓國在20世紀90年代末變得繁榮富裕時，中國仍處于不發(fā)達狀態(tài)。特別是朝鮮文化，以及整個朝鮮半島，都深受中國文化的影響，但后來，朝鮮文化開始通過韓流反過來影響中國。這能被視為中國的文化失敗嗎？
中國甚至不得不開展運動，禁止和限制韓國文化在中國的影響。這很諷刺。

Chinese culture used to be one of the most influential cultures in the region, alongside India. However, now, Korean culture, from a small and prosperous country, has a significant influence in Asia and the world. This is a great lesson for China, as well as other countries, especially Vietnam, in developing and expanding their cultural influence.

中國文化曾經(jīng)是該地區(qū)最具影響力的文化之一，與印度并列。然而，現(xiàn)在，韓國文化，從一個繁榮的小國，在亞洲和世界上都有著重要的影響。這對中國以及其他國家，特別是越南，在發(fā)展和擴大文化影響力方面是一個很好的教訓。

Feng Lu
Gojoseon is a country that originated in Jilin, northeast China.
You can't call it the predecessor of today's Korea.
At the end of the Shang Dynasty, the royal noble Jizi went to Korea because advise King Zhou. After the establishment of the Zhou Dynasty, Jizi surrendered to King Wu of Zhou, and Korea entered the territory of the Zhou Dynasty.
Jizi and "more than 40 generations after him" became kings in Korea and promoted the development of Korea. For example, Jizi taught the Korean people etiquette norms and methods of farming, silkworms and weaving.

古朝鮮是一個起源于中國東北吉林的國家。
你不能稱之為今天韓國的前身。
商朝末年，貴胄箕子出使朝鮮，為周出謀劃策。周朝建立后，箕子向周武王投降，朝鮮半島進入周朝領土。
箕子和他之后的四十多代，成為朝鮮的國王，促進了朝鮮的發(fā)展。例如，箕子教朝鮮人禮儀規(guī)范和耕種、養(yǎng)蠶和織布的方法。

There are obvious differences between Vietnam and Korea.
The northern part of Vietnam is the border war that China and Vietnam have repeatedly fought over. At least the southern part of Vietnam has always existed and has never been occupied by China. Even the southern part of Vietnam has never admitted defeat.
But Korea is different. The entire Korean Peninsula has been a vassal state of China for a long time.

越南和韓國之間存在明顯的差異。
越南北部是中越兩國多次交戰(zhàn)的邊界戰(zhàn)爭。越南南部至少一直是存在的，從未被中國占領。就連越南南部也從未承認過失敗。
但韓國不同。長期以來，整個朝鮮半島都是中國的附庸國。

Lucia Millar
Mongolian Great Khanate, Kublai Khan can become a Chinese emperor in your Chinese perspective but why can a person from the ancient period, probably from somewhere in China today, not become a Korean king? Not to mention the accuracy of the stories from you or historical texts from China.

蒙古大汗，忽必烈汗可以成為你們中國人眼中的中國皇帝，但為什么一個古代人，可能來自今天中國的某個地方，不能成為朝鮮的國王呢？更不用說你們的故事或中國歷史文獻的準確性了。

PrimeChaosVC
Because that Chinese person runs a country that adopt Chinese culture in Korea? To be fair. Chinese usually don’t recognize the Qing and the Mongols as Chinese dynasty unless they adopted Chinese culture and system. Mongols was halfhearted and they crumble really fast, but they did adopted part of it.
Genghis Khan may be a great conqueror, but he is a terrible ruler. He set the East backwards in technology and thru the silk road. Gave the West a boost of technological knowledge. Which F upped the rest of the world in a Genghis Khan but way more brutal and prolonged way. To this day.

因為那個中國人在韓國經(jīng)營著一個采用中國文化的國家？公平地說。中國人通常不承認清朝和蒙古人是中國王朝，除非他們采用了中國的文化和制度。蒙古人三心二意，他們崩潰得很快，但他們確實接受了其中的一部分。
成吉思汗可能是一個偉大的征服者，但他是一個可怕的統(tǒng)治者。他通過絲綢之路讓東方在技術上倒退。給西方帶來了技術知識的提升。因為成吉思汗，西方超越了世界其他地區(qū)，但西方對世界的統(tǒng)治方式比成吉思汗更加殘酷和漫長。直到今天。
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Lucia Millar
Thank you for your share.

感謝您的分享。

PrimeChaosVC
No, don’t thank me. Thank the world who whoreship great conquerors. To be more specific, thanks the western narrative that dominated the world for 200 years.

不，你不用感謝我。你應該感謝這個世界崇拜偉大的征服者的那些人。更確切地說，感謝統(tǒng)治世界200年的西方敘事。

Janet Clark
You know too little about Chinese history. From your point of view that South Korea has never been a vassal state of China, you have exposed the reason why you don't understand the past history.

你對中國歷史了解得太少了，從你所說的韓國從來都不是中國的藩屬國這一點，就暴露了你不了解過去歷史。

Lucia Millar
Thank you for your share. I hope that you should know South Korea has just been established in 1948.

謝謝你的分享。我希望你知道韓國1948年才剛剛成立。

Yohan
To the Chinese perspective: It's interesting to see the satellite state of Vietnam at the South trying to speak up for the satellite state of Joseon at the East. Both pay tribute to China, whether it's paying tribute the Han Chinese of Ming or to the Chinese 8 Banners of Qing.. but how come the Eastern Joseon people today somehow looks down on the Southern Vietnam people?

從中國的角度來看：看到在南方的衛(wèi)星國越南，試圖為在東方的衛(wèi)星國朝鮮發(fā)聲，這很有趣。兩者都向中國朝貢過，無論是向明朝的漢族朝貢，還是向清朝的八旗朝貢。但是，為什么今天東邊的朝鮮人會看不起南邊的越南人呢？
滿山野豬我最胖

You're talking about South Korea's this and that, and even dragging China into it. Do you think you're so clever that you can just babble about history at will? What South Korea was like before was part of the historical process. They've worked hard and achieved good development now. What's the matter? Are you jealous? You're still talking about vassal states and colonies. According to your logic, then all the places that were bullied by other countries in the past should just stay down forever?
Besides, when it comes to the relationship with China, do you think international relations are like playing house, where alliances can be formed as you like? China has its own diplomatic concepts and principles, and it's not something you can fabricate here. And regarding North Korea, North Korea is taking its own path and working hard on its development and construction. It's none of your business to make irresponsible remarks here.
As for cultural influence, Chinese culture has a long history and is extremely profound. Are you shocked just because South Korean culture has some influence? World culture is originally diverse and influences each other. Chinese culture is inclusive of everything. It's normal to have some small ripples occasionally. Unlike some people, who make a big fuss at the slightest sign of trouble, as if they've never seen the world before, and even have the nerve to lecture China here. You're really funny!

你說著朝鮮的這些和那些，甚至試圖把中國拖入其中。
你認為你這么聰明，可以隨意談論歷史？韓國以前的樣子是歷史進程的一部分。
他們努力工作，現(xiàn)在取得了良好的發(fā)展。怎么了你嫉妒了嗎？你仍然在談論附庸國和殖民地。按照你的邏輯，那么過去所有被其他國家欺負的地方都應該被永遠保留下來嗎？
此外，當談到與中國的關系時，你認為國際關系就像游戲室一樣，可以隨心所欲地結成聯(lián)盟嗎？中國有自己的外交理念和原則，這不是你可以在這里捏造的。關于朝鮮，朝鮮正在走自己的路，努力發(fā)展建設。不要在這里發(fā)表不負責任的言論，這與你無關。
就文化影響而言，中國文化源遠流長，博大精深。僅僅因為韓國文化有影響，你就感到震驚了嗎？世界文化本來是多元的，相互影響。中國文化包羅萬象。偶爾會有一些小漣漪是正常的。不像有些人，他們一有麻煩就大驚小怪，好像他們以前從未見過世界，甚至有勇氣在這里教訓中國。你真好笑！

Mickelson Moaselle
Generally slaves are stupid and uneducated so that's the common trait for all of them since ancient times

一般來說，奴隸都很愚蠢，沒有受過教育，所以自古以來，這就是他們所有人的共同特征

Yugan Talovich
You should be ashamed of yourself.

提問者，你應該為自己感到羞愧。

Im Yang Gyoon
South Korea has been a vassal state of China for two thousand years and a Japanese colony for two hundred years. Why is it still so stupid?
You ask a very stupid question
First, let's talk about the relationship between a suzerain state and a vassal state
It is a historical fact that when a suzerain state falls, its vassal state naturally falls as well
However, the ancient Korean states that China calls vassal states lasted from about 500 years to about 1,000 years each
However, the longest-lasting Chinese dynasty lasted only 276 years
Isn't a state that lasted the longest actually a suzerain state?
The logic of the Chinese people is completely inconsistent with the facts
For reference, below is a historical timeline of China, Korea, and Europe.

你問了一個非常愚蠢的問題。
首先，讓我們談談宗主國和附庸國之間的關系。
當一個宗主國滅亡時，它的附庸國自然也會滅亡，這是一個歷史事實。
然而，中國稱之為附庸國的古代朝鮮每個王朝持續(xù)了大約500年到1000年。
然而，中國歷史最悠久的王朝只持續(xù)了276年。
一個持續(xù)時間最長的國家不就是宗主國嗎？
中國人民的邏輯與事實完全不符。
作為參考，下面是中國、韓國和歐洲的歷史時間表。

譯注：他這套理論在韓國還挺有市場。我昨天看到一個韓國up主，在YouTube居然有9.8萬粉絲。在他的粉絲心中，中國才是朝鮮的附庸國。中國才是事大主義的那個。那些人的評論讓人驚掉下巴。還說中國古裝劇中的宮廷禮儀和服裝都是從韓國學來的。

Im Yang Gyoon
Don't you Chinese people have anything to reflect on?
When I first logged onto Quora, I didn't have any antipathy toward China.
Rather, I had an affinity for China.
So why did I become an anti-Chinese?
Most Koreans don't hate China now, so why do they hate China now?
If one or two Koreans changed their minds and started liking China and then started disliking it, it could be their problem.
You Chinese people could have a mental illness like you swearing.
However, if millions or tens of millions of people started liking China and then started feeling anti-Chinese at the same time, it's not Korea or Koreans' fault, it's China's fault.

你們中國人難道沒有什么值得反思的嗎？
當我第一次登錄Quora時，我對中國沒有任何反感。
相反，我對中國有親和力。
那么，我為什么會成為一名反華人士呢？
大多數(shù)韓國人曾經(jīng)不恨中國，那么他們現(xiàn)在為什么恨中國了呢？
如果一兩個韓國人改變主意，從喜歡中國，到開始不喜歡中國，這可能是他們的問題。
你們中國人可能患上了什么精神疾病。
然而，如果數(shù)百萬或數(shù)千萬人從喜歡中國，到同時開始反華，這不是韓國或韓國人的錯，而是中國的錯。

Biubiubiu
What are they doing? A small peninsula country brainwashes itself every day. A country living on a peninsula has no ability to unify the north and the south, but it still feels superior every day. If this were an ancient Chinese dynasty, it would be spurned by history and would be a waste.

他們干什么呢？一個半島小國，天天給自己洗腦，一個生活在半島上的國家，沒有能力統(tǒng)一南北，卻天天自以為高人一等，這要是中國古代的一個朝代，早就被歷史唾棄了，廢了。