如果美國向丹麥宣戰(zhàn)以奪取格林蘭，那么所有其他北約國家是否有義務(wù)對美國宣戰(zhàn)，因為丹麥在這種情況下被侵略者攻擊？
If the USA declares war to Denmark to take Greenland, aren't all other NATO countries obligated to declare war to the USA since Denmark is attacked by an aggressor in that case?
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網(wǎng)友：如果丹麥宣布北約條約第5條生效，那么所有其他北約成員國都將有義務(wù)提供幫助，并且很可能美國會被北約驅(qū)逐，最有可能通過一致投票來決定，任何美國在其他國家的軍事基地將被關(guān)閉，還可能實施貿(mào)易制裁，幾乎所有能用來迫使美國停止其侵略行為的手段都會被使用。這將是美國犯下的最大錯誤……
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Yes if Denmark declares Article 5 of the NATO Treaty active.. then all of the other NATO countries are obligated to help and in all likelihood the U.S. would be ejected from NATO, most likely by unanimous vote and any U.S. bases in any of their countries would be closed, and trade sanctions could also be imposed, just about anything that can be used to convince the U.S. to cease its aggression will by used. This would be the biggest mistake that America has ever made, Attacking an ally to seize territories that it has no claims or rights to would show the world how truly unstable America has become and would be very bad for business and in all likelihood the American dollar would loose its world currency status. This alone would be really bad for America’s economy as then it’s huge debt becomes a real problem that would need urgent attention by very knowledgeable economists. The fact that it would be facing the USD’s downfall as world currency and facing sanctions from some of the richest countries in the world would not be good, throw in a war that needs funding… and WOOF, hard times ahead. On the Bright side China, Russia, Iran and North Korea would be happy.
如果丹麥宣布北約條約第5條生效，那么所有其他北約成員國都將有義務(wù)提供幫助，并且很可能美國會被北約驅(qū)逐，最有可能通過一致投票來決定，任何美國在其他國家的軍事基地將被關(guān)閉，還可能實施貿(mào)易制裁，幾乎所有能用來迫使美國停止其侵略行為的手段都會被使用。這將是美國犯下的最大錯誤，攻擊一個盟友以奪取它沒有任何主權(quán)或權(quán)利的領(lǐng)土，將向世界展示美國的真正不穩(wěn)定性，這對商業(yè)來說非常不利，而且很可能導(dǎo)致美元失去世界貨幣的地位。這一點對美國經(jīng)濟來說將是巨大的打擊，因為那時它龐大的債務(wù)將變得真正成問題，需要經(jīng)驗豐富的經(jīng)濟學(xué)家緊急處理。事實上，美國面臨美元作為世界貨幣的衰退，并且要面對來自一些世界上最富有國家的制裁，情況不會好，若再加上需要資金支持的戰(zhàn)爭...那么，美國將面臨艱難的時刻。好的一面是，中國、俄羅斯、伊朗和朝鮮會很高興。
Yes if Denmark declares Article 5 of the NATO Treaty active.. then all of the other NATO countries are obligated to help and in all likelihood the U.S. would be ejected from NATO, most likely by unanimous vote and any U.S. bases in any of their countries would be closed, and trade sanctions could also be imposed, just about anything that can be used to convince the U.S. to cease its aggression will by used. This would be the biggest mistake that America has ever made, Attacking an ally to seize territories that it has no claims or rights to would show the world how truly unstable America has become and would be very bad for business and in all likelihood the American dollar would loose its world currency status. This alone would be really bad for America’s economy as then it’s huge debt becomes a real problem that would need urgent attention by very knowledgeable economists. The fact that it would be facing the USD’s downfall as world currency and facing sanctions from some of the richest countries in the world would not be good, throw in a war that needs funding… and WOOF, hard times ahead. On the Bright side China, Russia, Iran and North Korea would be happy.
如果丹麥宣布北約條約第5條生效，那么所有其他北約成員國都將有義務(wù)提供幫助，并且很可能美國會被北約驅(qū)逐，最有可能通過一致投票來決定，任何美國在其他國家的軍事基地將被關(guān)閉，還可能實施貿(mào)易制裁，幾乎所有能用來迫使美國停止其侵略行為的手段都會被使用。這將是美國犯下的最大錯誤，攻擊一個盟友以奪取它沒有任何主權(quán)或權(quán)利的領(lǐng)土，將向世界展示美國的真正不穩(wěn)定性，這對商業(yè)來說非常不利，而且很可能導(dǎo)致美元失去世界貨幣的地位。這一點對美國經(jīng)濟來說將是巨大的打擊，因為那時它龐大的債務(wù)將變得真正成問題，需要經(jīng)驗豐富的經(jīng)濟學(xué)家緊急處理。事實上，美國面臨美元作為世界貨幣的衰退，并且要面對來自一些世界上最富有國家的制裁，情況不會好，若再加上需要資金支持的戰(zhàn)爭...那么，美國將面臨艱難的時刻。好的一面是，中國、俄羅斯、伊朗和朝鮮會很高興。
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No declarations of war or necessary. If Denmark is attacked and requests military assistance from NATO then the other NATO nations are obliged to provide it.
不需要宣戰(zhàn)。如果丹麥遭到攻擊并請求北約的軍事援助，那么其他北約國家有義務(wù)提供幫助。
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Greenland has a very small population and from a cost benefit analysis waging war against the United States would be uneconomical. However, the US legal system would provide billions of dollars of incentives to litigate America to death. That would not be the only legal frontier. How many Americans are capable or interested in moving to Greenland or defending it?
格林蘭人口非常少，從成本效益分析來看，向美國宣戰(zhàn)將是不經(jīng)濟的。然而，美國的法律體系將提供數(shù)十億美元的激勵，促使通過訴訟將美國拖垮。這將不是唯一的法律戰(zhàn)場。有多少美國人有能力或愿意搬到格林蘭或為其辯護(hù)呢？
They won't declare war on anybody, they would just invade. Nobody declares war anymore.
他們不會宣戰(zhàn)，他們只會入侵?，F(xiàn)在沒人再宣戰(zhàn)了。
NATO are a defence force and don’t “Declare War” What NATO will do is come to the defence of Denmark if Denmark invokes Article 5 of the NATO Treaty
北約是一個防御性力量，不會“宣戰(zhàn)”。如果丹麥啟動北約條約第五條，北約將會來保護(hù)丹麥。
Yes. Article 5 of the NATO Treaty provides that an attack against one is an attack against all. BTW, Canada is also a NATO member.
是的，北約條約的第五條規(guī)定，對一個成員國的攻擊就是對所有成員國的攻擊。順便說一下，加拿大也是北約成員國。
No.
If Denmark triggers article 5, asking for help, then other NATO members are required to help although nothing is specified about which kind of help they are to provide. So far, only the USA ever triggered article 5, for instance Britain did not call for help during the Falklands war.
Anyway what an American attack against an ally would mean is, the US don't care about NATO anymore, meaning a death blow to the organisation. I'm not sure Putin would hide his boner…
不。如果丹麥觸發(fā)第5條，請求幫助，那么其他北約成員國有義務(wù)提供幫助，盡管并沒有具體規(guī)定他們應(yīng)提供什么類型的幫助。到目前為止，只有美國曾觸發(fā)過第5條，例如英國在?？颂m戰(zhàn)爭期間并沒有請求幫助。無論如何，美國對盟友發(fā)動攻擊意味著美國不再關(guān)心北約，這將是對該組織的致命一擊。我不確定普京會不會掩飾自己的得意。
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I note nobody is talking about economic warfare. Trump loves to pick fights with Canada. Guess it plays well in MAGA polls.
How would you pick an economic fight with Greenland…?
我注意到?jīng)]人提到經(jīng)濟戰(zhàn)爭。特朗普喜歡和加拿大發(fā)生沖突，猜測這對MAGA選民有吸引力。
你打算如何和格林蘭展開經(jīng)濟對抗？
exactly right—the international court would declare the USA as a criminal aggressor and issue an arrest warrant for trump, the same as they did for Pootin
完全正確——國際法院會宣布美國為犯罪侵略者，并對特朗普發(fā)布逮捕令，就像他們對普京所做的那樣。
Actually yes.
And the US would lose that fight.
And while preoccupied getting our asses kicked there, we'd lose the rest of our strategic alliances and bases as well.
We'd be a bigger pariah state than Russia now is.
實際上是的。
美國會輸?shù)裟菆鰬?zhàn)爭。
而且在專注于被打得落花流水的同時，我們會失去其他所有戰(zhàn)略聯(lián)盟和基地。
我們會成為比現(xiàn)在的俄羅斯還要被孤立的國家。
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No.
Article 5 specifies a country needs to consider on attack on one member as an attack on all, it DOES NOT REQUIRE MILITARY ACTION.
A strongly worded diplomatic note fulfills the Article 5 requirement.
不。第五條規(guī)定一個國家需要將對一個成員國的攻擊視為對所有成員國的攻擊，但并不要求采取軍事行動。
一份措辭強烈的外交聲明就能滿足第五條要求。
Every interesting: what if an outsider (Argentina) invaded the territory of a NATO member state (the UK). What did the USA do during the Falklands War? They offered peace negotiation, but Britain sent their fleet south and reconquered the Falkland Islands.
很有意思：如果一個外部國家（如阿根廷）入侵了一個北約成員國（如英國）的領(lǐng)土，美國在?？颂m戰(zhàn)爭期間做了什么？他們提供了和平談判，但英國派遣了艦隊南下，重新奪回了福克蘭群島。
Absolutely correct. One “declares war ON” not “to”. And the verb is correctly called “obliged”, not ‘obligated’, Anyway, 2 problems: 1. The US army does not know where Denmark is nor does it know how to find out where Denmark is. 2. The US Pacific fleet will probably sink in the Pacific on the way to Greenland.
完全正確?！靶麘?zhàn)”是“對”而不是“給”。而且這個動詞應(yīng)該是“obliged”，而不是“obligated”。無論如何，有兩個問題：
美國軍隊不知道丹麥在哪里，也不知道如何找到丹麥。
美國太平洋艦隊可能會在去格林蘭的途中在太平洋沉沒。
In the United States a President has no authority to declare war. Donald Trump is not President until January 20th. He has no authority regardless. It's Donald Trump and his big mouth that you believe the BS coming out.
United States Congress has the only authority to declare war. No President has this authority. Do you understand?
在美國，總統(tǒng)沒有宣戰(zhàn)的權(quán)力。唐納德·特朗普直到1月20日才成為總統(tǒng)，實際上他無權(quán)宣戰(zhàn)。是唐納德·特朗普和他的大嘴巴讓你相信了那些胡說八道。美國國會才是唯一有權(quán)宣戰(zhàn)的機構(gòu)，任何總統(tǒng)都沒有這個權(quán)力。你明白嗎？
Too many variables. Is Trump really that nuts? Is congress really that nuts? Is the military that submissive? Trump won by a rather slender margin once you add up the people who voted against him, and the people who flat out decided to not decide and didn't vote. People at heart are essentially selfish if possible, so many will balance the probable losses againt possible gains.
變量太多了。特朗普真的那么瘋嗎？國會真的那么瘋狂嗎？軍方真的那么順從嗎？特朗普以相當(dāng)微弱的差距贏得選舉，算上那些投票反對他的人，以及那些干脆決定不投票的人。從本質(zhì)上講，人們往往是自私的，如果可能的話，所以許多人會在可能的損失和潛在的收益之間做權(quán)衡。
Would the US take Greenland by force, if Denmark refuses to sell?
Yes
The United States of America has a long history of attempted and sometimes successful regime change around the globe.
如果丹麥拒絕出售格林蘭，美國會通過武力占領(lǐng)嗎？
會的
美國有著全球范圍內(nèi)進(jìn)行政權(quán)更替的悠久歷史，有時甚至取得了成功。
你可能不會認(rèn)為美國會入侵一個屬于英聯(lián)邦的國家，尤其是這個國家的女王是伊麗莎白二世，但1983年美國確實入侵了格林納達(dá)！
你不會認(rèn)為美國會通過武力占領(lǐng)另一個北約成員國的領(lǐng)土，尤其是當(dāng)它已經(jīng)在那里有軍事存在時，比如821號空間基地集團(tuán)、軍團(tuán)和安全部隊，以及第12空間預(yù)警中隊。但美國常常說一套做一套。
他們一邊宣稱“我們認(rèn)為這些真理是不言而喻的：人人生而平等”，另一邊卻擁有奴隸，并且多年來沒有做到真正的平等對待所有人。
這一切可能只是為了分散人們對美國正在發(fā)生變化的注意力嗎？可能！但如果涉及到利潤，我不會低估美國的做法。美國曾經(jīng)為了石油入侵國家，甚至我們還開玩笑說這件事，現(xiàn)在是為了礦產(chǎn)資源，而格林蘭島的礦產(chǎn)資源豐富無比。
Not gonna happen. The reporter asked if trump “would guarantee that the use of military force would not be allowed “ to which trump said “i cannot guarantee that” the reporter specifically asked a question in an attempt to portray trump as either a dictator or a week president, there was nonin between. Go watch npr on YouTube they left the entire question with the entire response. Stop letting cnn run your life. And to all of those whom claim trump is a “monstrosity’, “fascists” or whatever you want to claim, you all need to get your heads checked. Do NOT forget that before the left decided to have covid released trump was president and did none of what you are falsely accusing him of. Ut guess who has. Your beloved Joe biden has done everything you accused trump of.
不會發(fā)生的。記者問特朗普是否“能保證不允許使用武力”，特朗普回答說“我不能保證這一點”。記者特意提出這個問題，試圖把特朗普描繪成一個DC者或一個軟弱的總統(tǒng)，似乎沒有中間地帶。去YouTube看NPR，他們保留了整個問題和完整的回答。不要讓CNN控制你們的生活。至于那些說特朗普是“怪物”，“法西斯”或者你們想說的任何話的人，你們都需要檢查一下自己的腦袋。不要忘記，在左翼決定讓新冠病毒被釋放之前，特朗普是總統(tǒng)，他并沒有做你們所錯誤指責(zé)他的事情。而且，猜猜看是誰做了？你們親愛的喬·拜登做了你們指責(zé)特朗普所做的一切。
Trump has forgotten the Australian connection to Denmark, King Fred’s wife, Queen Mary is Australian, Fredrick only needs to ask once and the entire Australian military will be mobilised to defend Greenland.
Trump has forgotten the commonwealth’s connection to Canada, Canadians only need to ask once and all of a sudden there will be an army far greater than the USA helping to defend Canada’s borders.
特朗普忘記了丹麥與澳大利亞的關(guān)系，弗雷德里克國王的妻子瑪麗皇后是澳大利亞人，弗雷德里克只需要說一聲，整個澳大利亞軍隊就會動員起來保護(hù)格林蘭島。
特朗普也忘記了英聯(lián)邦與加拿大的關(guān)系，加拿大人只需要說一聲，馬上就會有一支遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過美國的軍隊來幫助保衛(wèi)加拿大的邊界。
Why would you believe that ? The man who said would lower grocery prices. The man who said who build a wall and make Mexico pay for it . The man who said that he would stop the Ukraine War in one day when he was elected . The has more BS that comes out of his mouth that he needs toilet paper for his mouth more than for the usual places.
你為什么相信這一點？那個說過會降低雜貨價格的人。那個說過要建墻讓墨西哥付錢的人。那個說過當(dāng)選后一日內(nèi)就能結(jié)束烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭的人。那個嘴里總是冒出更多胡說八道的人，他的嘴巴需要用廁所紙擦的次數(shù)比其他地方還多。
作為美國人，我們在政治體系、地緣政治和憲法方面的教育十分不足。特朗普不能在沒有巨大政治反響的情況下，承諾派遣軍隊侵略其他主權(quán)國家。此外，《1973年戰(zhàn)爭權(quán)力法》禁止總統(tǒng)在沒有國會批準(zhǔn)的情況下將軍隊部署超過90天。國會掌握財政權(quán)。特朗普必須證明為什么國會會為這種長期軍事行動提供資金。此外，只有國會有宣戰(zhàn)的權(quán)力。特朗普如何為侵略并占領(lǐng)北約盟國以及像巴拿馬這樣的友好國家辯護(hù)呢？在“讓美國再次偉大”（MAGA）陷入混亂，傳統(tǒng)共和黨人如米奇·麥康奈爾堅決反對特朗普的情況下，他無法獲得這樣的支持。特朗普即使在不到兩周后宣誓就職，也已經(jīng)是一個“跛腳總統(tǒng)”。他不在乎。這使他免于入獄，這才是最重要的。
While the geopolitical complexities of international relations can sometimes seem daunting, it's important to remain hopeful about the commitment to peaceful negotiations and diplomatic channels that have long been a cornerstone of modern global interaction. The United States and Denmark both share a deep respect for the rule of law and international agreements, values that underpin the peaceful resolution of such matters. Although historical precedent shows that aggressive strategies were once commonplace, the contemporary world is much more interconnected, with countries vastly favoring collaboration and dialogue. This trajectory towards collaboration ensures that relationships remain constructive, fostering mutual respect and understanding. Moreover, public opinion in both territories tends to favor amicable negotiations and peaceful co-existence over hostility. Therefore, rather than speculation about confrontation, we can trust in the enduring emphasis on diplomacy to guide nations toward consensus and cooperation in such matters.
盡管國際關(guān)系的地緣政治復(fù)雜性有時令人感到困惑，但重要的是要保持對和平談判和外交渠道的希望，這些一直是現(xiàn)代全球互動的基石。美國和丹麥都高度尊重法治和國際協(xié)議，這些價值觀支撐著此類事務(wù)的和平解決。雖然歷史先例表明，曾經(jīng)激進(jìn)的策略是常見的，但當(dāng)代世界更加緊密相連，各國更傾向于合作與對話。這一合作趨勢確保了關(guān)系保持建設(shè)性，促進(jìn)了相互尊重和理解。此外，兩國的公眾輿論普遍傾向于通過友好的談判和和平共處而非敵對來解決問題。因此，與其猜測沖突，不如相信外交的重要性將引導(dǎo)各國在此類事務(wù)中走向共識與合作。
I'm not going to rule out Trump being stupid enough, narcissistic enough or batshit crazy enough to try.
However the EU has already confirmed that Greenland would be protected under article 42.7.
It would also trigger NATO article 5 and US troops in NATO member territory would suddenly find themselves as POWs.
Now Trump knows that it's highly unlikely that he'll get Congress to agree to a US withdrawal from NATO so I'm guessing that he's hoping repeatedly threatening to use force against a NATO member will force NATO to expell the US.
我不會排除特朗普足夠愚蠢、自戀或者瘋狂到嘗試這么做的可能性。
然而，歐盟已經(jīng)確認(rèn)格陵蘭會根據(jù)第42.7條款受到保護(hù)。
這也會觸發(fā)北約第5條，美國駐北約成員國的部隊將突然變成戰(zhàn)俘。
現(xiàn)在特朗普知道他很難讓國會同意美國撤出北約，所以我猜他希望通過反復(fù)威脅對北約成員國使用武力，迫使北約將美國逐出。 ZH
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One thing I admire about Trump is that he speaks very bluntly. This world is a world where the strong prey on the weak. When there are interests at stake, everyone gets along well with each other, but when there is a dispute over interests, even family members will kill each other.
美國將首先支持冰島的獨立，然后派遣軍隊到冰島，聲稱是為了維護(hù)選舉的合法性，并防止選舉被丹麥DC政權(quán)操控。
我欽佩特朗普的一點是，他說話非常直率。這個世界是強者獵殺弱者的世界。當(dāng)利益在爭奪時，每個人都能和睦相處，但當(dāng)利益發(fā)生爭執(zhí)時，連家庭成員都可能互相殘殺。
Trump may try but I have trust that our military would not serve his commands to do such. It would break numerous treaties and even our generals wouldn't want to break those.
Do you think Trump and his supporters can escape a Hague tribunal for the war crimes? He has no power there. And has few worldwide supporters. Most of the world would volunteer to serve as his executioner. And he thought he could get out of prison with an election? If he should be so lucky….
特朗普可能會嘗試，但我相信我們的軍隊不會聽從他的命令去做那種事。那將違反許多條約，甚至我們的將軍們也不愿意違反這些條約。
你認(rèn)為特朗普和他的支持者能逃脫海牙法庭的審判嗎？他在那里沒有權(quán)力，而且全球支持者很少。世界上大多數(shù)人都會自愿充當(dāng)他的行刑者。他還以為可以通過選舉逃脫監(jiān)獄嗎？如果他能那么幸運……
Why? Trump is the only US leader that has ever spoken about it. It’s not worth upsetting anyone over. The only military bases there are American. If there was a threat of it coming under Chinese or some Islamist control, things would be different.
Why not “buy” Ireland? There’s more stuff of value there.
？特朗普是唯一一個提到過這個問題的美國領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人。這不值得為了它去惹怒任何人。那里的唯一軍事基地是美國的。如果有威脅，格陵蘭可能會落入c或某些伊斯蘭極端分子的控制，情況就會不同了。
為什么不“購買”愛爾蘭呢？那里有更多有價值的東西。
why would the thick yanks think that the rest of Europe would just let the thick as shit Yanks, just take Greenland. Why do they think that another sensible country would want to become as backward as a Yank. Don’t try telling me how advanced they are, men in space, all the inventions etc, all invented by other countries scientists and claimed by the yanks ( especially by UK scientists ) the atom bomb, France and the UK, claimed by the cheating yanks simply because it was invented in the US.
為什么那些愚蠢的美國人認(rèn)為，其他歐洲國家會讓那些愚蠢得像屎一樣的美國人就這樣占領(lǐng)格陵蘭？為什么他們認(rèn)為另一個理智的國家會想要變得像美國人一樣落后？別跟我說什么他們有多先進(jìn)，什么男人上了太空，所有的發(fā)明等等，都是其他國家的科學(xué)家發(fā)明的，尤其是英國的科學(xué)家，然后被美國人據(jù)為己有（原子彈是法國和英國發(fā)明的，美國人只是因為在美國發(fā)明就搶了功勞）。
In my opinion if Trump wants Greenland he's going to take it any which way he can get it either by force by military God only knows what he's got planned the same thing goes for the Panama canal for Canada and watch out cuz Mexico's going to be part of the US
在我看來，如果特朗普想要格陵蘭，他會不擇手段地拿下，不管是通過軍事力量還是其他方式，上帝知道他有什么計劃。泛ama運河、加拿大也是一樣，注意了，因為墨西哥將會成為美國的一部分。