工黨議員敦促唐寧街在移民問題上采取更強(qiáng)硬的態(tài)度，以抵御改革黨

Group of Labour MPs urge No 10 to be tougher on migration to fend off Reform

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“如果你真的擔(dān)心，那就盡你的一份力，生7個(gè)孩子。”——《衛(wèi)報(bào)》報(bào)道。

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Group of Labour MPs urge No 10 to be tougher on migration to fend off Reform
-Pressure group set up by MPs from seats where Reform came second amid concern about party’s rise

工黨議員敦促唐寧街在移民問題上采取更強(qiáng)硬的態(tài)度，以抵御改革黨
——由于改革黨在對(duì)其崛起的擔(dān)憂中排名第二，席位議員們成立了壓力集團(tuán)
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(One MP involved in the discussions said there was ‘a(chǎn) major focus now on how to beat Reform’.)

（一位參與討論的議員表示，“現(xiàn)在的主要焦點(diǎn)是如何擊敗改革黨”。）
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Labour MPs whose seats are under threat from Reform UK have set up a pressure group that will urge Keir Starmer to take a tougher stance on migration and crime, amid growing concern about the rise of the rightwing populist party.

席位受到英國改革黨威脅的工黨議員成立了一個(gè)壓力團(tuán)體，敦促凱爾·斯塔默在移民和犯罪問題上采取更強(qiáng)硬的立場。目前人們對(duì)右翼民粹主義政黨的崛起日益感到擔(dān)憂。

MPs drawn from the 89 constituencies where Reform came second at last year’s election have established an informal caucus focused on how to defeat Nigel Farage’s party, which came top in a major national poll for the first time this week.

在去年的選舉中，改革黨在89個(gè)選區(qū)中排名第二，這些選區(qū)的議員們已經(jīng)成立了一個(gè)非正式的黨團(tuán)會(huì)議，重點(diǎn)討論如何擊敗奈杰爾·法拉奇領(lǐng)導(dǎo)的政黨。法拉奇的政黨在本周的一次重要全國民意調(diào)查中首次名列榜首。

Meanwhile, Downing Street has dispatched data and strategy experts to advise MPs on the kinds of messages that are resonating with Reform-minded voters, in a sign that MPs’ concerns are also shared by senior officials in the Labour party.

與此同時(shí)，唐寧街已派出數(shù)據(jù)和戰(zhàn)略專家，就哪些信息能引起改革黨派選民的共鳴，向議員們提供建議。這一跡象表明，工黨的高級(jí)官員也與議員們有同樣的擔(dān)憂。
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One MP involved in the discussions, which include dozens of MPs, said: “There is a major focus now on how to beat Reform. Various groups have been set up and we have been talking to Downing Street about what works. One of our main messages to the leadership is we need to do more on illegal migration especially.”

一位參與（包括數(shù)十名議員的）討論的議員表示：“現(xiàn)在的主要焦點(diǎn)是如何擊敗改革黨。已經(jīng)成立了各種小組，我們一直在與唐寧街討論什么可行。我們向領(lǐng)導(dǎo)層傳達(dá)的主要信息之一是，我們需要在非法移民問題上做得更多。”

Another said the group wanted ministers to “shout louder” about what they were doing to tackle legal and illegal migration, including deporting tens of thousands of people back to their home countries.

另一名議員說，該組織希望大臣們“更大聲地呼喊”他們正在做些什么來解決合法和非法移民問題，包括將成千上萬的人遣返回國。

A Labour party source said: “Groups of MPs meet all the time about lots of different issues. Labour MPs are rightly concerned about Nigel Farage’s plans to make people pay to access NHS services and will carry on taking the fight to them and other opposition parties in parliament and at the ballot box.”

一名工黨消息人士稱：“國會(huì)議員小組一直在就許多不同的問題開會(huì)。工黨議員對(duì)奈杰爾·法拉奇讓人們付費(fèi)獲得國家醫(yī)療體系服務(wù)的計(jì)劃感到擔(dān)憂，并將繼續(xù)在議會(huì)和投票箱中與他們和其他反對(duì)黨進(jìn)行斗爭?！?/b>
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Downing Street has been worried for months about the rise of Reform, but those concerns deepened this week after YouGov became the first major pollster to show the party ahead of Labour and the Conservatives. The poll on Monday showed Reform on 25%, with Labour on 24% and the Tories on 21%.

唐寧街幾個(gè)月來一直擔(dān)心改革黨的興起，但本周在輿觀成為首個(gè)顯示該黨領(lǐng)先于工黨和保守黨的主要民意調(diào)查機(jī)構(gòu)后，這種擔(dān)憂加深了。周一的民調(diào)顯示，改革黨支持率為25%，工黨為24%，保守黨為21%。
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Morgan McSweeney, the prime minister’s chief of staff, has made it one of his top priorities to combat Reform’s appeal, telling MPs that Labour will be able to do so by showing tangible improvements to local public services.

首相的幕僚長摩根·麥克斯韋尼已將打擊改革黨的吸引力作為他的首要任務(wù)之一，他告訴議員們，工黨將能夠通過展示對(duì)地方公共服務(wù)的切實(shí)改善來實(shí)現(xiàn)這一目標(biāo)。
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Downing Street has in recent weeks sent campaign strategists and polling experts to brief MPs on where and how the party has been able to outperform its national poll rating in recent council byelections.

最近幾周，唐寧街派了競選戰(zhàn)略家和民意調(diào)查專家向議員們介紹，在最近的議會(huì)補(bǔ)選中，工黨是在哪里以及如何超越其全國民意支持率的。
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One MP said one of the main pieces of advice had been to identify projects local voters have long been asking for and to make sure they are delivered. McSweeney has told allies he helped defeat the British National party in east London 15 years ago in part by focusing on areas where previous local and national governments had promised infrastructure projects but failed to build them.

一位國會(huì)議員表示，其中一條主要建議是確定當(dāng)?shù)剡x民長期以來一直要求的項(xiàng)目，并確保這些項(xiàng)目得到落實(shí)。麥克斯韋尼告訴盟友，他15年前在東倫敦幫助擊敗了英國國家黨，部分原因是他把重點(diǎn)放在了前地方和國家政府承諾基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施項(xiàng)目但未能建設(shè)的地區(qū)。
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Matthew Faulding, the secretary of the parliamentary Labour party and a close ally of McSweeney, helped organise the briefings, according to those who attended. Some MPs, however, still want the party leadership to go further, especially when it comes to immigration.

據(jù)出席者透露，議會(huì)工黨秘書、麥克斯韋尼的親密盟友馬修·福丁幫助組織了這些簡報(bào)。然而，一些議員仍然希望工黨領(lǐng)導(dǎo)層能走得更遠(yuǎn)，尤其是在移民問題上。
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One MP said they had been unimpressed recently by the response of ministers at recent briefings when asked about the possibility of processing asylum seeker claims offshore – something Starmer has said he is open to. “Even though the party policy is that we might do this, ministers have mainly been stressing how expensive it would be,” the person said.

一名議員表示，在最近的簡報(bào)會(huì)上，當(dāng)被問及在海外處理尋求庇護(hù)者申請(qǐng)的可能性時(shí)，大臣們的反應(yīng)讓他們印象不深——斯塔默表示，他對(duì)此持開放態(tài)度。這位人士表示：“盡管黨的政策是我們可能會(huì)這么做，但大臣們主要是在強(qiáng)調(diào)這將是多么昂貴?！?/b>
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Another said they had urged ministers to be more vocal about deportation flights.

另一名官員表示，他們已經(jīng)敦促大臣們?cè)隍?qū)逐航班問題上更加直言不諱。
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Labour said in December it had deported almost 13,500 people since coming to power, and was on track to deliver the highest number of returns for five years. The statistics have caused alarm among human rights campaigners, but some MPs believe the party needs to be more vocal in publicising them.

去年12月，工黨表示，自執(zhí)政以來，它已驅(qū)逐了近13500人，并有望實(shí)現(xiàn)五年來最高的遣返數(shù)量。這些統(tǒng)計(jì)數(shù)據(jù)引起了人權(quán)活動(dòng)家的警覺，但一些國會(huì)議員認(rèn)為，該黨需要在宣傳這些數(shù)據(jù)時(shí)更加直言不諱。
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One said: “We need to take tougher action on immigration, but we also need to shout louder about what we are doing.”

其中一人表示：“我們需要在移民問題上采取更強(qiáng)硬的行動(dòng)，但我們也需要更大聲地宣傳我們正在做的事情?！?/b>
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While Labour MPs discuss tactics to counter the threat of Reform, some are seeking lessons on combatting rightwing populists from outside the UK.

在工黨議員討論應(yīng)對(duì)改革黨威脅的策略時(shí)，一些人正在尋求打擊來自英國以外的右翼民粹主義者的經(jīng)驗(yàn)教訓(xùn)。
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A small group is planning a trip to Germany in the coming weeks to find out what they can learn from the rise of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which is expected to perform well in the country’s election later this month.

一個(gè)小組計(jì)劃在未來幾周前往德國，看看他們能從極右翼的德國新選擇黨的崛起中學(xué)到什么，該政黨預(yù)計(jì)將在本月晚些時(shí)候的德國大選中表現(xiàn)良好。
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Reform is hoping to pick up seats at this year’s local elections, but is hoping for an even bigger result next year at the next set of local elections, and in the vote for the Welsh parliament. Some in Labour believe, however, that Reform’s poll rating will begin to fade ahead of national elections as scrutiny increases on their policy platform and the views of their candidates.

改革黨希望在今年的地方選舉中獲得更多席位，但希望在明年的地方選舉和威爾士議會(huì)選舉中取得更大的成績。然而，工黨的一些人認(rèn)為，隨著對(duì)其政策綱領(lǐng)和候選人觀點(diǎn)的審查越來越多，改革黨的民調(diào)支持率將在全國大選前開始下降。
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One minister said: “Reform are doing well, but then Ukip also did well in between national elections. That will change as soon as people start to pay attention to what they are actually saying.”

一位大臣說：“改革黨做得很好，但英國獨(dú)立黨在全國大選期間也表現(xiàn)出色。一旦人們開始關(guān)注他們實(shí)際在說什么，這種情況就會(huì)改變?！?br />
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評(píng)論翻譯

ChemistryFederal6387
This article shows that Labour just doesn't get it, in that they think the solution to their problems is simply to "shout louder".
The problem with that approach is the voters are very jaded when it comes to immigration. They are used to being lied to by government after government.
The government promised to reduce immigration but instead both legal and illegal immigration levels increase.
A messaging strategy isn't going to work, they need to actually reduce immigration levels or they will lose to Reform.

這篇文章表明，工黨根本不明白這一點(diǎn)，因?yàn)樗麄冋J(rèn)為解決問題的方法就是“叫得更響”。
這種做法的問題在于，當(dāng)涉及移民問題時(shí)，選民們已經(jīng)非常厭倦了。他們已經(jīng)習(xí)慣了被一個(gè)又一個(gè)政府欺騙。
政府承諾減少移民，但實(shí)際上合法和非法移民的數(shù)量都在增加。
傳遞信息的策略是行不通的，他們需要實(shí)際減少移民水平，否則他們將輸給改革黨。

Mickey_Padgett
I don’t think reducing numbers is enough. The electorate are not stupid and see absolute numbers.
We’ve reached a tipping point here now and I think even if the inflows reduce this won’t change the anger around immigration.
We’ve allowed literally millions of people from subsaharan Africa and the subcontinent over the past four years. It will tear the social fabric of the country apart never mind the economic arguments.
Many of them will soon be eligible for ILR. This is a liability timebomb.

我認(rèn)為減少數(shù)量是不夠的。選民們并不愚蠢，他們看到的是絕對(duì)數(shù)字。
我們現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)到了一個(gè)臨界點(diǎn)，我認(rèn)為即使移民流入減少，也不會(huì)改變?nèi)藗儗?duì)移民的憤怒。
在過去的四年里，我們?cè)试S數(shù)百萬來自撒哈拉以南非洲和次大陸的人入境。它將撕裂這個(gè)國家的社會(huì)結(jié)構(gòu)，更不用說經(jīng)濟(jì)上的爭論了。
他們中的許多人很快就有資格獲得永久居留權(quán)。這是一個(gè)負(fù)債定時(shí)炸彈。

Conscious-Ad7820
Why not set a target like- end use of hotels for illegal migrants by the end of 2026 or half small boats crossings then actually take action rather than just pussy footing around every issue and promising reviews and making the public thinking you’re doing nothing even when you might be.

為什么不設(shè)定一個(gè)目標(biāo)，比如到2026年底，非法移民的酒店不再使用，或者一半的小船過境，然后真正采取行動(dòng)，而不是在每個(gè)問題上都猶豫不決，承諾評(píng)論，讓公眾認(rèn)為你什么都沒做，即使你可能做了。

Upbeat-Housing1(-0.13,-0.56) Live free, or don't
I was just thinking last night about the percentage of births that are now British ethnic. (Last data point was 54%). It struck me how incredibly significant it is that in the next generation of young people to be born, British ethnicity will be a minority. It's sort of the end of a period of history over 1000 years long. It's a very strange feeling, slightly unsettling I think. I wonder what this place is going to be by the time I have reached old age?

我昨晚還在想現(xiàn)在出生的人中有多少是英國人。（上一次數(shù)據(jù)點(diǎn)為54%）。令我難以置信的震驚的是，在下一代出生的年輕人中，英國本土種族將成為少數(shù)民族。這是一段1000多年歷史的終結(jié)。這是一種很奇怪的感覺，我覺得有點(diǎn)不安。不知道等我老了，這個(gè)地方會(huì)變成什么樣子？

ChemistryFederal6387
It is a huge demographic change, which happened without the consent of the British people.
Our grandchildren will be a minority in their own country.
It is madness.

這是一個(gè)巨大的人口變化，沒有得到英國人的同意。
我們的孫輩在他們自己的國家將成為少數(shù)群體。
太瘋狂了。

PrimeWolf101
Didn't it happen because white British people decided not have children? Isn't that why successive governments have relied on immigration to prevent population collapse, maintain house prices and pay pensions?
Seems like it was entirely their choice?
If you're really worried about it, do your part and have 7 kids.

這不是因?yàn)橛兹藳Q定不要孩子嗎？這難道不是歷屆政府依靠移民來防止人口崩潰、維持房價(jià)和支付養(yǎng)老金的原因嗎？
似乎這完全是他們的選擇？
如果你真的擔(dān)心，那就盡你的一份力，生7個(gè)孩子。

Godkun007
I mean, there was another option. Just look at Japan.
They have an aging population and their solution was to invest heavily in automation and try as many different ways to increase the birth rate as possible.
So far, the automation side has worked out fantastically. The increased birth rates, not so much.

我是說，還有另一種選擇?？纯慈毡揪椭懒恕?br /> 他們面臨人口老齡化問題，他們的解決方案是大力投資自動(dòng)化，并嘗試盡可能多的不同方法來提高出生率。
到目前為止，自動(dòng)化方面的進(jìn)展非常順利。而出生率的增長，則沒有那么明顯。

sumduud14
Japan's GDP per capita has been stagnant for 30 years at this point. Their population is set to decline by 50% by 2100. Japan is littered with hundreds of abandoned villages and towns. Only big cities are growing because that's where young people move to work, not have kids, then die.
If that's the "other option" then it's essentially allowing the country to fade away.

到目前為止，日本的人均GDP已經(jīng)停滯了30年。到2100年，他們的人口數(shù)量將減少50%。日本到處都是被遺棄的村莊和城鎮(zhèn)。只有大城市在發(fā)展，因?yàn)槟贻p人在那里工作，而不是生孩子，然后死去。
如果這是“另一種選擇”，那么它本質(zhì)上就是讓這個(gè)國家消失。
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Godkun007
Yes, that is the other option. Don't focus on increasing standards of living, but focus on maintaining it by increasing efficiency in the economy. That way, the same work can be done with fewer people. Eventually you will hit the bottom of the population valley and it will start rising again.
In USD, the Japanese economy looks like a disaster because of the falling Yen exchange rate. However, when priced in Yen, GDP per capita has actually been increasing in the last 2 decades.
It isn't a great result, but it is what the Japanese people have chosen. So it is a real option. Japan has chosen to be a rich country that will never become a world power again.

是的，這是另一種選擇。不要把重點(diǎn)放在提高生活水平上，而要把重點(diǎn)放在通過提高經(jīng)濟(jì)效率來維持生活水平上。這樣，同樣的工作可以用更少的人完成。最終你會(huì)到達(dá)人口谷的底部，然后再次開始上升。
以美元計(jì)算，由于日元匯率下跌，日本經(jīng)濟(jì)看起來像一場災(zāi)難。然而，當(dāng)以日元計(jì)價(jià)時(shí)，人均GDP在過去20年實(shí)際上一直在增長。
這不是一個(gè)偉大的結(jié)果，但這是日本人民的選擇。所以這是一個(gè)真正的選擇。日本選擇了成為一個(gè)永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)再成為世界強(qiáng)國的富裕國家。

quackquack1848
So you don’t think children born / grow up in the UK that uphold the value of the UK are British?

所以你不認(rèn)為在英國出生/長大的堅(jiān)持英國價(jià)值觀的孩子是英國人？

Upbeat-Housing1(-0.13,-0.56) Live free, or don't
Not in terms of ethnicity. And it's only recently I've realised that ethnicity does have meaning and impact. For example, while it's obviously going to vary from one person to another how much they consider this home and how much they think of their people as the British people, I have noticed that often ethnic minorities don't see it that way. For example I've just spotted Layla Moran MP saying "Trump has clearly not spoken to a single Palestinian about this plan. Gaza is our land. Palestine is our home." Well, in the way that Palestine is her land, (in her words I stress to the utmost) then I suppose Britain is my land.

在種族方面不是。直到最近我才意識(shí)到種族確實(shí)有意義和影響。比如，雖然每個(gè)人對(duì)英國的重視程度和對(duì)英國人的看法顯然是不同的，但我注意到，少數(shù)民族通常不這么認(rèn)為。比如，我剛剛發(fā)現(xiàn)國會(huì)議員Layla Moran說：“特朗普顯然沒有和一個(gè)巴勒斯坦人談過這個(gè)計(jì)劃。加沙是我們的土地。巴勒斯坦是我們的家園?！焙冒?，既然巴勒斯坦是她的土地，（我用她的話強(qiáng)調(diào)了最大程度）那么我想英國就是我的土地。

quackquack1848
I think we can have lots of identities. Lots of Canadians of Chinese descent identify themselves as Canadians, while still consider China as their root. I think the question you should ask is not about the difference in culture but where their loyalty lie.

我認(rèn)為我們可以有很多身份。許多華裔加拿大人認(rèn)為自己是加拿大人，但仍然認(rèn)為中國是他們的根。我認(rèn)為你應(yīng)該問的問題不是文化差異，而是他們的忠誠度在哪里。

zorasht
That's funny, as it resembles what just happened with the Democrats in the US.
They tried to be more right-wing than Trump and they lost miserably, as Trump and the Republicans, as Reform will do in UK, had no limits (or shame for that matter) or red lines on their right side, and they will always beat Labour trying to be more right wing.
If they want to fend off the threat from Reform, they just need to tax the rich and relieve the burden that has been placed on working people.
People is very simple, they look at immigration as a problem when they struggle, like is the case, with exorbitant utility bills and rent and stagnant salaries and a demise in the public services, and this is caused almost exclusively to make sure their donors don't pay taxes.
When people lives are going well, suddenly immigration is not a problem, but if you keep squeezing people to make sure your pals pay no taxes, then yes, they will look for a scape goat, and immigrants are always the easiest target.

這很有趣，因?yàn)檫@與美國民主黨剛剛發(fā)生的事情很相似。
他們?cè)噲D比特朗普更右翼，但他們輸?shù)煤軕K，就像特朗普和共和黨一樣，就像英國的改革黨一樣，他們沒有限制（或?yàn)榇烁械叫邜u），也沒有右翼紅線，他們總是會(huì)打敗試圖更右翼的工黨。
如果他們想要抵御改革黨的威脅，他們只需要向富人征稅，減輕勞動(dòng)人民的負(fù)擔(dān)。
人們很簡單，他們把移民看作是一個(gè)問題，當(dāng)他們掙扎的時(shí)候，就像現(xiàn)在這樣，高昂的水電費(fèi)和租金，停滯不前的工資和公共服務(wù)的消亡，這幾乎完全是為了確保他們的捐助者不納稅。
當(dāng)人們的生活過得很好時(shí)，突然間移民就不是問題了，但如果你一直壓榨人們以確保你的朋友不納稅，那么是的，他們會(huì)尋找替罪羊，移民總是最容易的目標(biāo)。

soapyw1
Haven’t they learnt anything from the Tory downfall? By playing someone else’s game, which they’re better at, you’ll lose. Play your own game, dictate your narrative. Yes you can reduce immigration, whilst shouting loud about its benefits.

難道他們沒有從保守黨的垮臺(tái)中學(xué)到什么嗎？玩別人擅長的游戲，你就輸了。玩你自己的游戲，決定你的故事。是的，你可以減少移民，同時(shí)大聲宣揚(yáng)這么做的好處。

MrHouse2281
If the government had sorted this as far back as 2015 then all of the political problems the UK uniquely faces would be null and void, it’s an absolute no-brainier.

如果政府早在2015年就解決了這個(gè)問題，那么英國所面臨的所有政治問題都將不存在或可以避免的，絕對(duì)是不需要?jiǎng)幽X筋的。

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