盡管存在歧視,為什么菲律賓人仍然如此崇拜韓國人?
Why do Filipinos look up to Koreans so highly despite the discrimination?
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網(wǎng)友:我覺得大多數(shù)東南亞人都這樣,尤其是年輕一代。這個(gè)Quora上的人似乎都比較…年長…但我還年輕,所以我知道那種感覺。我是越南人,我見過很多東南亞人說他們來自首爾,會(huì)說一口半吊子的韓語……
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Kobe.
I feel like most Southeast asians do, especially the younger generation.
Everyone on this side of quora is rather… old… but i’m still young so I know how it’s like.
I’m Vietnamese, and i’ve seen bunches of SEA’s say they come from Seoul and speak half assed korean, obsessed with K-pop and K-dramas, and eat korean things and post it online with like korean music or something like that. Also “ulzzang” influenced selfies and filters with heavy photoshop and skin brightening. (Skin lightning is common in SEA either way)
我覺得大多數(shù)東南亞人都這樣,尤其是年輕一代。
這個(gè)Quora上的人似乎都比較…年長…但我還年輕,所以我知道那種感覺。
我是越南人,我見過很多東南亞人說他們來自首爾,會(huì)說一口半吊子的韓語,癡迷于K-pop和韓劇,吃韓國的食物并在網(wǎng)上發(fā)布,配上韓國音樂之類的東西。還有“ulzzang”風(fēng)格的自拍和重度PS修圖、膚色亮白的濾鏡。(無論如何,膚色亮白在東南亞很常見。)
I feel like most Southeast asians do, especially the younger generation.
Everyone on this side of quora is rather… old… but i’m still young so I know how it’s like.
I’m Vietnamese, and i’ve seen bunches of SEA’s say they come from Seoul and speak half assed korean, obsessed with K-pop and K-dramas, and eat korean things and post it online with like korean music or something like that. Also “ulzzang” influenced selfies and filters with heavy photoshop and skin brightening. (Skin lightning is common in SEA either way)
我覺得大多數(shù)東南亞人都這樣,尤其是年輕一代。
這個(gè)Quora上的人似乎都比較…年長…但我還年輕,所以我知道那種感覺。
我是越南人,我見過很多東南亞人說他們來自首爾,會(huì)說一口半吊子的韓語,癡迷于K-pop和韓劇,吃韓國的食物并在網(wǎng)上發(fā)布,配上韓國音樂之類的東西。還有“ulzzang”風(fēng)格的自拍和重度PS修圖、膚色亮白的濾鏡。(無論如何,膚色亮白在東南亞很常見。)
The thing with SEA is the fact that SK is developed compared to countries like the Phillippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia, ETC. They romanticize this because they are young, and they ignore or is unaware of the colorism.
I’ve seen bunches of viet koreaboos, and trust me they are SO annoying. But it’s more common among “FOBS” than asian americans. Some say they’re half korean, born in Seoul, live in Seoul, etc.
I know this doesn’t necessarily answer your question, but I think it’s because the korean wave is very strong ATM, and they are just obsessing over anything korean.
東南亞的情況是,韓國比菲律賓、馬來西亞、印度尼西亞、柬埔寨等國家要發(fā)達(dá)。他們因?yàn)槟贻p而浪漫化這一點(diǎn),忽視或不了解膚色主義。
我見過很多越南的“韓流迷”,相信我,他們真的很煩。但這種情況在“外來移民”(FOB)中比在美籍亞洲人中更常見。有些人說自己是半韓裔,出生在首爾,住在首爾等等。
我知道這不完全回答你的問題,但我覺得這主要是因?yàn)轫n流現(xiàn)在非常強(qiáng)大,他們只是沉迷于一切與韓國有關(guān)的東西。
I’ve seen bunches of viet koreaboos, and trust me they are SO annoying. But it’s more common among “FOBS” than asian americans. Some say they’re half korean, born in Seoul, live in Seoul, etc.
I know this doesn’t necessarily answer your question, but I think it’s because the korean wave is very strong ATM, and they are just obsessing over anything korean.
東南亞的情況是,韓國比菲律賓、馬來西亞、印度尼西亞、柬埔寨等國家要發(fā)達(dá)。他們因?yàn)槟贻p而浪漫化這一點(diǎn),忽視或不了解膚色主義。
我見過很多越南的“韓流迷”,相信我,他們真的很煩。但這種情況在“外來移民”(FOB)中比在美籍亞洲人中更常見。有些人說自己是半韓裔,出生在首爾,住在首爾等等。
我知道這不完全回答你的問題,但我覺得這主要是因?yàn)轫n流現(xiàn)在非常強(qiáng)大,他們只是沉迷于一切與韓國有關(guān)的東西。
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I think it shows the success in South Korea’s international campaign of soft power through K-Pop, K-Drama and K-Beauty in ways similar to Japan’s prominence in anime, technology (in the 90’s anyway), and in spreading their culture.
我認(rèn)為這顯示了韓國通過K-pop、K-Drama和K-Beauty在國際軟實(shí)力推廣上的成功,類似于日本在動(dòng)漫、科技(尤其是在90年代)以及傳播其文化方面的突出表現(xiàn)。
與此同時(shí),菲律賓人在韓國、日本、新加坡等國家面臨歧視,基本上所有菲律賓人在這些國家都屬于少數(shù)族裔群體,即使是在馬來西亞,盡管兩國有著明顯的文化關(guān)系,且外貌特征相似。
盡管在這些國家受到歧視,菲律賓人依然欣賞美國文化、日本文化、韓國文化等,這是因?yàn)槲覀冏罱K繼承了祖先的開放心態(tài)。
整個(gè)海上東南亞地區(qū)曾經(jīng)被視為多樣性的土地,因?yàn)檫@個(gè)地區(qū)位于太平洋、印度洋和東亞文化圈的交匯處,且這些地區(qū)之間的貿(mào)易以及與更遠(yuǎn)地方的文化交流塑造了曾經(jīng)強(qiáng)大的經(jīng)濟(jì)貿(mào)易關(guān)系和思想交流,貫穿整個(gè)海上東南亞群島。
所以,即使在被征服的時(shí)期,我們的祖先一方面保持著本土文化的活力,同時(shí)也融合了外來思想,不論這些外來者是侵略者還是商人。盡管西班牙、英國和美國的殖民侵略,以及日本軍人的短期帝國主義統(tǒng)治,菲律賓人依然變得更加開放、多元,從不讓自己形成對(duì)其他群體的刻板印象或表現(xiàn)出仇恨,至少在西班牙人和美國人教導(dǎo)我們仇恨黑人和菲律賓尼格里托群體之前。
所以,不,韓國文化影響的涌入不會(huì)帶來太大的改變,只會(huì)讓菲律賓人又多了一個(gè)文化迷戀,老實(shí)說,這也能理解(甚至可能已經(jīng)是遲來的現(xiàn)象),因?yàn)橛性S多韓國人來到菲律賓學(xué)習(xí)英語,甚至在商業(yè)領(lǐng)域中取得成功。
Koreans are one of the most popular tourists in PH. Personally, I do not like Koreans. I do not like their bullying attitude towards everyone (but this attitude is common from those coming from developed countries), and I do not look up to them, when it comes to disliking Filipinos, I must say, I understand their reason and I'm with them on that one.
所以,不,韓國文化影響的涌入不會(huì)帶來太大的改變,只會(huì)讓菲律賓人又多了一個(gè)文化迷戀,老實(shí)說,這也能理解(甚至可能已經(jīng)是遲來的現(xiàn)象),因?yàn)橛性S多韓國人來到菲律賓學(xué)習(xí)英語,甚至在商業(yè)領(lǐng)域中取得成功。
It is not right to say all Filipinos, maybe some youngsters, teenagers who are carefree, who likes dancing and tinted hairstyle likes them
Mostly are not . Like me, I don’t liked them the way they look down on us but , I understand those koreans who are acting like that , because you cannot pleased everybody. Everyone in every nationalities in every country
韓國人是菲律賓最受歡迎的游客之一。就個(gè)人而言,我不喜歡韓國人。我不喜歡他們對(duì)待每個(gè)人的霸凌態(tài)度(但這種態(tài)度在那些來自發(fā)達(dá)國家的人中很常見),而且我也不崇拜他們。當(dāng)談到不喜歡菲律賓人時(shí),我必須說,我理解他們的理由,而且我在這一點(diǎn)上支持他們。
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But in their inward appearance are not and behavior which are the most important are not seen in them
說所有菲律賓人都不喜歡韓國人是不對(duì)的,也許有些年輕人、喜歡跳舞和染發(fā)的青少年喜歡他們,但大多數(shù)人并不喜歡。像我,我不喜歡他們看不起我們,但我理解那些這樣做的韓國人,因?yàn)槟悴荒苋偯恳粋€(gè)人。每個(gè)國家的每個(gè)民族中,總有一些人覺得自己比別人更優(yōu)秀。他們覺得自己在各方面都是完美無缺的,是的,也許他們?cè)谕饷采弦驗(yàn)檎莺秃芏嘧o(hù)膚品顯得完美,但他們內(nèi)在的品質(zhì)和行為才是最重要的,而這些在他們身上并沒有體現(xiàn)出來。
Who told you Filipinos look up to Koreans so highly despite the discrimination? Your question is rude, misleading, insulting, demeaning and very condescending and has no basis. You probably are talking about Filipinos admiring your Kpop groupband but I dont know of the discrimination. If youre talking about Korean owners of businesses, then employees would suckup to any a.h.owner to holdon to the job to make ends meet bec of severe economic hardships….
是誰告訴你菲律賓人如此崇拜韓國人,盡管有歧視?你的問題很無禮、誤導(dǎo)、侮辱性、貶低,且毫無根據(jù)。你可能是在說菲律賓人崇拜你的Kpop團(tuán)體,但我并不知道有關(guān)歧視的情況。如果你是在說韓國的商家老板,那員工為了維持生計(jì)會(huì)迎合老板的要求,畢竟經(jīng)濟(jì)困境十分嚴(yán)重……
I like to think that *some* Filipinos may do so because Filipinos collectively are still working out the best way to monetise their/our cultural assets without sacrificing/driving families apart or mental well-being into the ground. Koreans are entertaining and good at monetising their labour and culture as Asians, but at a huge personal price with their suicide rate and low birthrates.
我喜歡認(rèn)為一些菲律賓人可能會(huì)這樣做,因?yàn)榉坡少e人整體上仍在努力找到最好的方式來將我們的文化資產(chǎn)變現(xiàn),而不會(huì)犧牲或壓垮家庭或心理健康。韓國人擅長娛樂和將勞動(dòng)力與文化進(jìn)行變現(xiàn),但付出了巨大的個(gè)人代價(jià),他們的自殺率和低出生率也正是如此。
菲律賓人很堅(jiān)韌——被歧視對(duì)我們來說并不新鮮,菲律賓人曾經(jīng)在西班牙人統(tǒng)治下遭受了300年的壓迫,還有美國人等,把我們當(dāng)作廉價(jià)勞動(dòng)力和女性。
Its more fascinating to track the larger ripples in the scheme of history, than these blips of petty racism between countries.
作為一名菲律賓裔澳大利亞人,我實(shí)際上更佩服印度——在未來幾十年內(nèi),印度的工作年齡人口預(yù)計(jì)將占全球的五分之一,他們的經(jīng)濟(jì)在增長并現(xiàn)代化,而其他國家都在老齡化。國際人口正在悄然“印度化”——而且是和平地。即使是他們的前殖民者——英國,現(xiàn)在的英國首相也是印度裔。
與其關(guān)注這些國家之間的小規(guī)模種族主義,不如追蹤歷史進(jìn)程中的更大波動(dòng)更具趣味性。
Because they are really cute. Like Japanese/Chinese. Also, their stuff is really popular in the Philippines. (I really like the Cute Yellow Women)
Unlike Foreigners who aren't East and Southeast Asian who only come to the Philippines to be perverts, criminals, and terrorists.
因?yàn)樗麄冋娴暮芸蓯邸>拖袢毡救?中國人一樣。還有,他們的東西在菲律賓很受歡迎。(我真的很喜歡那些可愛的黃種女孩)
不像其他外國人,那些不是東亞和東南亞的人,他們來菲律賓只是為了當(dāng)變態(tài)、罪犯和恐怖分子。
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It has to do with the height. Koreans average height is 172 cm while Pinoys height is way below at about 167 cm. Pinoys look up while Koreans look down.
這和身高有關(guān)。韓國人的平均身高是172厘米,而菲律賓人的身高則明顯較矮,大約是167厘米。菲律賓人仰視,而韓國人俯視。
Because of their talent and how much hard work and dedication they put into their craft.
因?yàn)樗麄兊奶熨x,以及他們?yōu)樽约旱氖炙嚫冻龅呐头瞰I(xiàn)。
Most of these are younger generations into the Kpop crap. They will only realize the reality upon landing a job working in South Korea as a factory worker. My cousin used to be into so much Kdrama, all that changed after she went to Canada and got Korean roommates. They were nasty according to her.
這些大多數(shù)是年輕一代喜歡Kpop的。只有當(dāng)他們成為韓國工廠工人時(shí),才會(huì)意識(shí)到現(xiàn)實(shí)。我表妹曾經(jīng)非常迷戀韓劇,但她去加拿大后,和一些韓國室友住在一起,所有這一切都改變了。她說那些韓國人很臟。
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Do Filipinos think highly of Koreans?
I’ve worked with a few here in S Korea and all of them told me they admire our growth along with our resilience to Japan most of all. They feel their government didn’t ever fight or demand anything from Japan when they tried to rule the world. I know Filipinos from the states to be super friendly and easy going. One of my best friends is Filipino. It’s not so much that they think highly of us, but more of that they want their country to develop more too. There’s a few Koreans married to Filipinos in every city and they always seem happy.
菲律賓人認(rèn)為韓國人很了不起嗎?
我在韓國工作過幾個(gè)菲律賓人,他們告訴我,他們欣賞我們的成長和我們?cè)诿鎸?duì)日本時(shí)的韌性,最重要的是。他們覺得他們的政府從未與日本抗?fàn)幓蛞笫裁矗?dāng)日本試圖統(tǒng)治世界時(shí)。我認(rèn)識(shí)的菲律賓人都非常友好、隨和。我的一個(gè)最好的朋友就是菲律賓人。并不是說他們特別崇拜我們,而是他們希望自己的國家也能得到更多的發(fā)展。在每個(gè)城市都有一些韓國人與菲律賓人結(jié)婚,他們似乎都很幸福。
Yes. Don’t be deluded by possible answers you might receive in the future, saying if racism in Korea is that bad, there wouldn’t be many foreigners working in Korea.
是的。不要被未來可能收到的回答所迷惑,如果韓國的種族主義如此嚴(yán)重,那就不會(huì)有那么多外國人在韓國工作了。
如果是這樣的話,那么任何國家都可以通過聲稱有外國工人來為對(duì)其他種族的虐待辯解?;旧希叭绻@里這么糟糕,為什么他們還會(huì)來?”在更小的范圍內(nèi),公司也可以通過類似的理由為對(duì)員工的虐待辯解,“如果加班這么糟糕,為什么還會(huì)有人在這里工作?”也許這就是韓國和日本的雇主用來合理化過度加班的理由。
Korea is one of the most racist countries, and you have probably heard of that before. Or maybe you have heard of tourists describing Koreans as “cold and distant”. Well, the “cold and distant” is basically euphemism for “arrogant and racist” to many people.
但是你知道,人們?cè)敢鉃榱撕芏嘣蛉淌芾Э啵热绺叩男剿鹊取?br /> 韓國是世界上最種族主義的國家之一,你可能以前聽過這個(gè)。或者你可能聽說過游客形容韓國人“冷漠和疏遠(yuǎn)”。嗯,“冷漠和疏遠(yuǎn)”基本上是“傲慢和種族主義”的委婉說法。
我來自亞洲(我的種族和國家因某些原因在Quora上是保密的),并且曾作為游客去過許多東南亞國家和日本,那里的人民對(duì)我沒有任何輕視,他們很溫暖、友好。而韓國則是另一回事。我收到了厭惡的目光和粗魯?shù)膶?duì)待。他們盯著我看,就像我只是低等的存在。當(dāng)然,并不是每個(gè)韓國人都這樣,但這么做的韓國人數(shù)量之多,令人震驚,遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過其他東南亞國家和日本。那種倒退的情況就像是上世紀(jì)50年代或更早。
想想看,韓國社會(huì)以高度競爭和嚴(yán)苛評(píng)價(jià)他人外貌而聞名,甚至長相好看都成為了招聘的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)之一。如果人們被培養(yǎng)得如此嚴(yán)苛地評(píng)判他人的外貌,在這樣一個(gè)高度競爭的環(huán)境中,他們更可能歧視那些看起來不同、無法符合他們的審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的其他種族。這是一個(gè)自然的結(jié)果。
White people
East Asians
Austronesians such as South East Asians
Black people and other dark-skinned people
If you are very beautiful, then maybe you can beat the hierarchy.
韓國的游客等級(jí)制度:
白人
東亞人
南島人,如東南亞人
黑人和其他深膚色的人
如果你非常美麗,也許可以打破這個(gè)等級(jí)制度。
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Filipinos, like any other country, will be fascinated by whatever is currently “trending”. A decade earlier, we were fascinated by localized anime and Mexican telenovelas. Marimar/Thalia was a local heroine for a few years, maybe even more popular than the PH president during her time.
At the moment, the rise of global Korean popularity is more marked in the Philippines, because when Filipinos become fans, they fanboy/girl so hard that if anyone besmirched their current idols, keyboard wars ensue.
菲律賓人和其他國家的人一樣,會(huì)對(duì)當(dāng)前 "流行 "的東西著迷。十年前,我們對(duì)本土化動(dòng)漫和墨西哥電視連續(xù)劇著迷?,旣惉?塔莉婭曾在幾年時(shí)間里成為當(dāng)?shù)氐呐⑿郏谒臅r(shí)代,她甚至可能比菲律賓總統(tǒng)更受歡迎。
目前,韓國在全球的人氣上升在菲律賓更為明顯,因?yàn)楫?dāng)菲律賓人成為粉絲時(shí),他們會(huì)瘋狂地追星/追女孩,如果有人污蔑他們現(xiàn)在的偶像,鍵盤大戰(zhàn)就會(huì)接踵而至。
Koreanovelas are usually funny/tragic/dramatic love stories which pinoys enjoy so much. Koreans are depicted as close to family with a deep respect for their elders which is very much like our own culture.
我注意到韓國文化的一點(diǎn)是,它與菲律賓文化非常接近,這就是為什么大多數(shù)菲律賓人會(huì)像蜜蜂采蜜一樣被韓國文化所吸引。
韓劇通常都是搞笑/悲劇/戲劇性的愛情故事,菲律賓人非常喜歡。韓國人被描繪成與家人親密無間、對(duì)長輩尊敬有加的人,這與我們的文化非常相似。
Korean food is also interesting because it’s full of intense flavors like spicy, sweet, salty, and sour all at the same time which is also common in most Filipino food.
Let’s wait this decade out. I’m pretty sure we’ll move on to something new soon enough :)
韓國人的膚色也是白里透紅,這對(duì)菲律賓人來說非常有吸引力,因?yàn)榉坡少e人雖然大多是棕色人種,但似乎更傾向于西方的 “白=美 ”標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。谷胱甘肽肥皂、藥片和其他美白產(chǎn)品在這里銷售火爆,男女都適用。
韓國食物也很有趣,因?yàn)樗瑫r(shí)充滿了辣、甜、咸、酸等強(qiáng)烈的味道,這在大多數(shù)菲律賓食物中也很常見。
讓我們等待這十年的到來吧。我敢肯定,我們很快就會(huì)轉(zhuǎn)向新的事物:)
Why are Filipinos so fascinated with Koreans?
Filipinos, like any other country, will be fascinated by whatever is currently “trending”. A decade earlier, we were fascinated by localized anime and Mexican telenovelas. Marimar/Thalia was a local heroine for a few years, maybe even more popular than the PH president during her time.
菲律賓人為何對(duì)韓國人如此著迷?
菲律賓人和其他國家的人一樣,會(huì)對(duì)當(dāng)前 “流行 ”的東西著迷。十年前,我們對(duì)本土化的動(dòng)漫和墨西哥電視連續(xù)劇著迷?,旣惉?塔莉婭曾在幾年內(nèi)成為當(dāng)?shù)氐呐⑿?,在她的時(shí)代,她甚至可能比菲律賓總統(tǒng)更受歡迎。
One thing I did notice about Korean culture is that it is quite close to Filipino culture, which is why most pinoys are drawn to it like bees to honey.
目前,韓國在全球的人氣上升在菲律賓更為明顯,因?yàn)楫?dāng)菲律賓人成為粉絲時(shí),他們會(huì)瘋狂地追星/追女孩,如果有人污蔑他們現(xiàn)在的偶像,鍵盤大戰(zhàn)就會(huì)接踵而至。
我注意到韓國文化有一點(diǎn)與菲律賓文化非常接近,這就是為什么大多數(shù)菲律賓人會(huì)像蜜蜂采蜜一樣被韓國文化所吸引。
Koreans also have this dewy-white complexion which is very attractive to Filipinos who, although are mostly brown, seem to lean towards the western standards of beauty white = pretty. Glutathione soaps, pills, and other whitening products sell like hotcakes over here for both men and women.
韓劇通常都是搞笑/悲劇/戲劇性的愛情故事,而這正是菲律賓人非常喜歡的。韓國人被描繪成與家人親密無間、對(duì)長輩尊敬有加的人,這與我們的文化非常相似。
韓國人的膚色也是白里透紅,這對(duì)菲律賓人來說非常有吸引力,因?yàn)榉坡少e人雖然大多是棕色人種,但似乎更傾向于西方的 “白=美 ”標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。谷胱甘肽肥皂、藥片和其他美白產(chǎn)品在這里銷售火爆,男女都適用。
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Let’s wait this decade out. I’m pretty sure we’ll move on to something new soon enough :)
韓國食物也很有趣,因?yàn)樗瑫r(shí)充滿了辣、甜、咸、酸等強(qiáng)烈的味道,這在大多數(shù)菲律賓食物中也很常見。
讓我們等待這十年的到來吧。我敢肯定,我們很快就會(huì)轉(zhuǎn)向新的事物:)