包括教師和醫(yī)生在內(nèi)的數(shù)百萬英國公共部門工作人員要求加薪

Psyc3 2461
Millions of workers given real terms pay cut for 13th year in a row.

數(shù)百萬工人的實(shí)際工資連續(xù)13年下降。

Brottolot
Only way to stop this would be for the government to stop greedy fuck companies profiteering. Supermarkets and energy companies profits up insane amounts? Force them to reduce them back down.
Sadly that'll never happen.

阻止這種情況的唯一方法是政府叫停貪婪的公司牟取暴利。超市和能源公司的利潤瘋上漲？強(qiáng)迫他們降下來。
可悲的是，這永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)發(fā)生。

sumduud14
Tesco's net profit margin is a stunning 1.48%. Sainsbury's is an eye watering 0.66%. Not a lot of room to cut prices there...
Supermarkets are really not causing inflation.

樂購的凈利潤率達(dá)到了驚人的1.48%。森寶利達(dá)到了驚人的0.66%。這里面沒有太多下降的空間。
造成通貨膨脹的并不是超市。

PaladinNate
Their margins are quite small, but because they sell an insane amount, they are still making huge profits.
Tescos profits were about 2.6 billion and that’s an increase since covid
All the big supermarkets have grown profit since covid, with the exception of Sainsburys
I’m not saying they are or aren’t involved with inflation, more just the fact of whether they have small margins or not, they are still doing extremely well and have billions of profit each year

他們的利潤是很小，但由于他們的銷售量驚人，他們?nèi)匀毁嵢×司揞~利潤。
樂購的利潤約為26億美元，這還是自疫情以來的增長
自疫情以來，所有大型超市都實(shí)現(xiàn)了利潤增長，除了森寶利
我并不是說他們是否與通貨膨脹有關(guān)，我只是說不管他們的利潤是否微薄，他們?nèi)匀毁嵉梅浅６?，每年都有?shù)十億美元的利潤

GothicGolem29
It doesn’t need fixing it is still a pay rise form what they were getting

工人工資不需要調(diào)整，這仍然比他們的工資有所提高

ReginaldIII
Such a small one they're still poorer than they were last year. Just not quite as poor as they would be this year without it.
They aren't asking for the number on paper to be technically higher just for the novelty. They're asking for their wages to be brought in line with the adjustment for inflation and cost of living SINCE their wages started falling below the inflation curve years and years ago.
Don't be so insulting as to trot out this nonsense "Look the number is higher on paper, what are you complaining about?" argument.

這么小的一個(gè)漲幅，他們還是比去年窮。也就比今年如果沒漲好吧。
他們要求紙面上的數(shù)字在實(shí)際中更高并不只是為了新奇。他們要求他們的工資與通貨膨脹和生活成本的調(diào)整保持一致，因?yàn)樗麄兊墓べY多年前就開始低于通貨膨脹曲線了。
不要如此無禮地提出這種毫無意義的論點(diǎn)：“看，紙面上的數(shù)字更高了，你還在抱怨什么？”

BronnOP
If next year I say I’m going to give you ￡100 extra, but also say you owe me ￡125, have I given you a wage rise? Technically, if you want to be pedantic about it, yes I’ve given you more than last year, but realistically, taking everything into account, I’ve actually taken an extra ￡25 AWAY from you.
So not only has your wage rise been cancelled out, you’re actually losing more money than you were last year… connecting the dots that means you wage hasn’t actually risen, and you’re worse off.
That’s what has been going on with doctors, nurses, teachers and so many other public sector workers for about 10 years now, perhaps even longer.
This is why people have coined the term real terms pay rise because saying “we’re giving you a pay increase” doesn’t tell the full story if 3 weeks down the line I’m going to take more money off you than your wage was ever increased by. For private employers this is largely out of their control, but for governments it is not.

如果明年我說我要多給你100英鎊，但同時(shí)又說你欠我125英鎊，我給你漲工資了嗎？從技術(shù)上講，如果你想學(xué)究的話，是的，我確實(shí)給了你比去年更多的錢，但實(shí)際上，考慮到所有因素，我實(shí)際上從你那里多拿了25英鎊。
因此，不僅你的工資上漲被取消了，你實(shí)際上損失的錢比去年還多……把這些點(diǎn)聯(lián)系起來，意味著你的工資實(shí)際上并沒有上漲，你的情況更糟了。
這就是醫(yī)生、護(hù)士、教師和許多其他公共部門工作人員大約10年來一直在經(jīng)歷的事情，甚至可能還不止10年。
這就是為什么人們創(chuàng)造了“實(shí)際加薪”這個(gè)詞，因?yàn)檎f“我們給你加薪”并不能說明全部情況——如果三周后我要從你身上拿走的錢比你的工資增加的還要多的話。對(duì)私人雇主來說，這在很大程度上是他們無法控制的，但對(duì)政府來說卻不是。

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A large scale country wide general strike has never been more needed than now.
The gap in wealth has never been this large & is only growing with each day, working professionals in respected roles are relying on food banks for fuck sake.

現(xiàn)在比任何時(shí)候都更需要一場(chǎng)大規(guī)模的全國性總罷工。
財(cái)富差距從來沒有這么大過，而且每天都在擴(kuò)大，在受人尊敬的職位上工作的專業(yè)人士都tmd在依賴食物銀行。

Trace6x
Are they? (genuinely curious)

真的假的？（真想知道）

DraczarMerseyside
Yes, it's been a growing concern amongst Civil Servants and public sector workers that there's an increasing reliance by workers even up to some higher level managerial grades on food banks.
I don't have the figures for how many, but frankly that there are any shows how much public sector pay has fallen relative to living costs that there are any at all. These jobs used to be considered fairly cushy and well respected and now they just aren't.

是的，公務(wù)員和公共部門的工作人員越來越擔(dān)心，他們?cè)絹碓揭蕾囀称枫y行，甚至是一些更高級(jí)別的管理人員。
我沒有具體數(shù)字，但坦率地說，有某些數(shù)據(jù)顯示，相對(duì)于生活成本，公共部門的工資下降了多少。這些工作過去被認(rèn)為是相當(dāng)輕松和受人尊敬的，但現(xiàn)在卻不是這樣。

seansafc89
And this 6% pay increase doesn’t cover those civil servants, who are going to be receiving even less (although they have awarded Senior Civil Servants 5.5%, which is higher than the “up to 4.5%” for normal civil servants)

而且這6%的加薪并不包括那些公務(wù)員，他們的收入將會(huì)更少（盡管他們已經(jīng)給高級(jí)公務(wù)員漲了5.5%，高于普通公務(wù)員的“4.5%”）。

DraczarMerseyside
And Civil Service pay has been frozen since 2010. I've heard that in order to "recover" the "lost wages" from the pay freeze and the year on year inflation we'd need to start with a payrise of 21%.
Public sector workers, and the public at large, have been repeatedly told that we need to pay for the financial crisis, we need to pay for the fuel crisis, we need to pay for Covid, we need to pay for the Ukraine war and only then can we consider increasing public spending. But it seems pretty clear to me right now that we're never not going to be in some kind of crisis and despite that various industry bosses and politicians are still seeing profits and pay increase for year after year.
I've said it on Reddit previously but the Conservative message has changed from "We will make things better" to "We will restore normal affairs" to "we'll stop things getting worse" and now we're at a stage which is basically "Things will probably keep getting worse but under Labour they would get worse faster". It's going to be a really inspiring election year next year with those kinds of messages.

自2010年以來，公務(wù)員的工資一直處于凍結(jié)狀態(tài)。我聽說，為了從凍結(jié)工資和年復(fù)一年的通貨膨脹中“恢復(fù)”“損失的工資”，我們需要從加薪21%開始。
公共部門工作人員和廣大公眾一再被告知，我們需要為金融危機(jī)買單，我們需要為燃料危機(jī)買單，我們需要為疫情買單，我們需要為烏克蘭戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)買單，只有這樣我們才能考慮增加公共支出。但我現(xiàn)在很清楚，我們永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)陷入某種危機(jī)，盡管各種行業(yè)的老板和政客們?nèi)匀豢吹嚼麧櫤凸べY年復(fù)一年地增長。
我之前在紅迪上說過，但保守黨的信息已經(jīng)從“我們會(huì)讓事情變得更好”變成了“我們會(huì)讓事情恢復(fù)正?！?，再變成了“我們會(huì)阻止事情變得更糟”，現(xiàn)在我們處于一個(gè)基本上是“事情可能會(huì)繼續(xù)變得更糟，但在工黨的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)下，會(huì)變?cè)獾酶臁钡碾A段。有了這些信息，明年將是一個(gè)非常令人振奮的選舉年。

Relayer2112
The funding for this is completely fucked. Cranking up the visa fees and IHS fees again is cruel, and pointless.
My partner has lived in the UK since their early 20s. The vast majority of tax she's paid in her life, has gone to the UK government. We're up for our final visa (ILR) in January. Thankfully, since it's ILR, we don't need to pay the IHS again, but I'm concerned at how much they're going to increase the visa fees by.
Not to mention that, since Australia has a reciprocal healthcare agreement with the UK, she shouldn't even need to pay to use the NHS to begin with, but tories gonna tory.
Also, my generation isn't really having kids. We have an ageing population. Who the fuck is going to look after all these pensioners when they go into care homes when they've voted for parties that make immigration impractical? Who is going to staff the NHS? You'd be absolutely mental to go and study nursing or medicine in the UK just now.

資金來源完全是扯淡。再次提高簽證費(fèi)和IHS費(fèi)是殘忍的，也是毫無意義的。
我的老伴從20歲出頭就一直住在英國。她一生中繳納的絕大部分稅款都交給了英國政府。我們將在一月份申請(qǐng)最后的ILR簽證。值得慶幸的是，因?yàn)槭荌LR，我們不需要再支付IHS，但我擔(dān)心他們會(huì)增加多少簽證費(fèi)。
更不用說，由于澳大利亞與英國簽訂了互惠醫(yī)療協(xié)議，她甚至不需要支付使用國家醫(yī)療體系的費(fèi)用，但保守黨會(huì)展現(xiàn)出保守黨的一面的。
而且，我們這代人并沒有真正要孩子。我們的人口正在老齡化。誰tm會(huì)去照顧這些進(jìn)了養(yǎng)老院的，投票支持那些使移民變得不切實(shí)際的政黨的養(yǎng)老金領(lǐng)取者？誰將為國家醫(yī)療體系提供工作人員？你現(xiàn)在去英國學(xué)習(xí)護(hù)理或醫(yī)學(xué)絕對(duì)是瘋了。

Dismal_Composer_7188
So after dragging this nonsense out for 6 months or more, saying there will be no pay rises above 3%, they now agree to a payrise of far beyond that.
These guys are the ultimate abusive employers.
Never mind that they have strangled the pay of these workers over a decade until they are forced to strike, then when inflation goes through the roof due to tory greed, they still refuse to pay people enough to survive and far less than is needed to ensure we have a public service.
The tories will be okay, they don't use our public services, but you can bet they haven't even bothered to consider what happens when there is no NHS or police or fire service, etc.

因此，在拖了6個(gè)月或更長時(shí)間的扯淡，他們說不會(huì)加薪超過3%之后，現(xiàn)在他們又同意加薪遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)超過3%了。
這些人是終極虐待型雇主。
且不說他們十多年來一直在壓榨這些工人的工資，直到他們被迫罷工，然后當(dāng)通貨膨脹由于保守黨的貪婪而飆升時(shí)，他們?nèi)匀痪芙^支付足以維持生存的工資，只支付遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)低于確保我們擁有公共服務(wù)所需的工資。
保守黨無所謂，因?yàn)樗麄儾皇褂梦覀兊墓卜?wù)，但你可以打賭，他們甚至沒有想過當(dāng)沒有國家醫(yī)療體系、警察或消防服務(wù)等等時(shí)會(huì)發(fā)生什么。

purpleduckduckgoose
Genuine question. The UK is (meant to be) one of the biggest economies in the world.
How have things got this fucked up?

真正的問題：英國（注定）是世界上最大的經(jīng)濟(jì)體之一。
可事情怎么會(huì)搞成這個(gè)樣子呢？

dpr60
My understanding of it is, it’s because the tories funded tax cuts, pension rises and pandemic spending by electronically adding a few noughts onto the uk’s bank account and by borrowing billions from foreign banks. The uk runs on a deficit because we simply don’t pay enough in taxes or sell enough goods and services to other countries to fund what the govt spends. The tories would always want to lower taxes and cut public services, that’s their whole reason for existing, but they’d have to borrow lots more money to do it.
Additionally, the uk’s credit rating was bumped down not once but twice immediately after Brexit was voted for. So we’re paying off all that debt not only at current inflationary rates of interest but also with penalties for being more of a risk to lend to. So there’s nothing in the pot for public services, which suits the tories in any case.
And the only way to keep it all in some sort of balance is if the Bank of England makes conditions recession-like for 2/3rds of the population, stopping people from spending money. If ordinary people earn and therefore spend too much money right now, we’ll go into an inflationary spiral and real recession which which will stand a real chance of wiping out big businesses, not just small or weak ones as is the case now.
So if you want my answer it’s because we’ve been run by tories with the wrong ideological policies which were never suited to deal with the biggest drain on the uk’s bank balance - covid and Brexit. As it is, the tories can’t even Tory right now because tax cuts would send the country into recession. Remember Truss? The only trick they have left in the bag is to make most people poorer.

我的理解是，這是因?yàn)楸Ｊ攸h通過電子方式在英國銀行賬戶上增加幾個(gè)零，并從外國銀行借款數(shù)十億美元，為減稅、提高養(yǎng)老金和流行病支出提供資金。英國之所以出現(xiàn)赤字，是因?yàn)槲覀儧]有支付足夠的稅收，也沒有向其他國家出售足夠的商品和服務(wù)來為政府的支出提供資金。保守黨總是想要減稅和削減公共服務(wù)，這是他們存在的全部理由，但他們必須借更多的錢來做到這一點(diǎn)。
此外，英國的信用評(píng)級(jí)在脫歐公投后立即被下調(diào)了兩次，而不是一次。因此，我們不僅要以當(dāng)前的通脹利率償還所有這些債務(wù)，而且還要承受放貸風(fēng)險(xiǎn)加大的懲罰。因此，在公共服務(wù)方面沒有任何資金——這在任何情況下都太符合保守黨了。
唯一能讓這一切保持某種平衡的方法是，英格蘭銀行為三分之二的人口制造類似衰退的條件，阻止人們花錢。如果普通民眾現(xiàn)在掙得太多，花得太多，我們將陷入通貨膨脹螺旋和真正的經(jīng)濟(jì)衰退，這將很有可能摧毀大企業(yè)，而不僅僅是像現(xiàn)在這樣的小微企業(yè)。
所以，如果你想要我的答案，那是因?yàn)槲覀円恢庇杀Ｊ攸h領(lǐng)導(dǎo)，他們的意識(shí)形態(tài)政策是錯(cuò)誤的，這些政策從來都不適合處理英國銀行余額的最大消耗項(xiàng)——疫情和脫歐。事實(shí)上，保守黨現(xiàn)在甚至不能“保守黨”，因?yàn)闇p稅會(huì)使國家陷入衰退。還記得特拉斯嗎？他們唯一能做的就是讓大多數(shù)人更窮。

Chosty55
I’m not an economist, but surely investing in public services, infrastructure, wages, training, provisions - all boost the economy rather than screw it over.
Public sector money increases government value. A % of Money spent comes back from tax, spend, contracts, and it betters the “safety net” for private sector where we can push global economy. Increase in government value surely boosts confidence with the markets and then we have growth, stopping all this BS about having to dig deep in our pockets to find money to pay for things like bank interest rises.
Refusing to fund public sector hurts everyone

我不是經(jīng)濟(jì)學(xué)家，但可以肯定的是，投資于公共服務(wù)、基礎(chǔ)設(shè)施、工資、培訓(xùn)和供應(yīng)——所有這些都能提振經(jīng)濟(jì)，而不是把它搞砸。
公共部門的資金增加了政府的價(jià)值?；ㄙM(fèi)的一定比例的錢會(huì)從稅收、支出、合同中收回來，這改善了私營部門的“安全網(wǎng)”，我們可以借此推動(dòng)全球經(jīng)濟(jì)。政府價(jià)值的增加肯定會(huì)增強(qiáng)市場(chǎng)的信心，然后我們就有了經(jīng)濟(jì)增長，停止所有關(guān)于“我們必須自掏腰包來支付諸如銀行利息上漲之類的東西”的扯淡。
拒絕為公共部門提供資金會(huì)傷害所有人

Ok-Pay5127
In summary, - still a real time pay cut - that includes taking money from these always struggling services to do that - saying it’s one of the most significant pay awards in decades when it is essentially wage theft being a little less bad
I hope they keep on striking.
Actually more than that, I hope one day someone passes a law that forces politicians to use only public services (no private health or private schooling for kids) so they start managing them properly.

總之，這仍然是一次真正的減薪——包括從這些一直在掙扎的服務(wù)部門拿走錢——說這是“幾十年來最顯著的加薪之一”，本質(zhì)上就是一種“不那么糟糕的工資盜竊”
我希望他們繼續(xù)罷工。
事實(shí)上，不僅如此，我希望有一天有人通過一項(xiàng)法律，迫使政客們只使用公共服務(wù)（不允許設(shè)立私人醫(yī)療或兒童私立學(xué)校），這樣他們就能開始合理地管理這些服務(wù)了。（譯注：那就實(shí)現(xiàn)共產(chǎn)主義了）

Beautiful_Bad333
Millions are getting pay rises from existing funds that are allocated elsewhere. So thousands of temp workers will not get work any more to save on costs, people won’t be replace when they are retired out/leave for better opportunities in the private sector, and the remaining people will be left with the additional workload of all of the people who are no longer employed. So their 6% pay rise will be to cover the 20% extra work they need to do - still at a real time cut of around 3-5% due to inflation.

數(shù)百萬人從分配到其他地方的現(xiàn)有資金中獲得加薪。因此，成千上萬的臨時(shí)工將因?yàn)橐?jié)省開支（湊出加薪的那筆錢）而不會(huì)再得到工作了，當(dāng)人們退休或跳槽去私營部門尋找更好的機(jī)會(huì)時(shí)，他們?cè)鹊膷徫徊粫?huì)被頂替，而剩下的人將承擔(dān)所有不再受雇的崗位的額外工作量。因此，他們6%的工資增長將覆蓋他們需要做的20%的額外工作——就這還由于通貨膨脹，他們的工資實(shí)際上減少了約3-5%。